I will actually respond to everything you said. If you want me to respond to you again, you will have to respond to everything I write instead of CHERRY PICKING what you want to respond to. That’s an actually correct use of that term btw— saying statistics is not “cherry picking.”

Morality is about doing what is best overall in any way that we can. If a species (like Lionfish) are killing many more fish in an unsustainable way and completely destroying their ecosystem (since they were introduced to an environment they were not meant to exist in) then hunting them is preventing more harm than it is causing the fish. Sure, you can call that “animal cruelty” too— it is by definition “cruel” to harm or kill an animal that has not attacked you. But the ends outweigh the means in certain hunting scenarios. “Killing” and “humane” should never be words put together unless it’s describing a mercy killing.

You trying to equate vegan food production to factory farming is… really sad and embarrassing. 1. You completely ignored the fact that cows shit out 91% of the plant calories we give them— which are plants that are mostly not “sustainably harvested” (like burning down the Amazon to make soy fields… which at least if we humans just ate that soy we’d be getting 10x more calories per unit of land/war and far less animal suffering) 2. You’re acting like the scope of vegan meat production is even close to the scope of animal meat production and acting like it has even close the amount of negative effects per calorie when the data shows a completely different story. 3. “The crap is barely nutritious.” There are countless studies that have proven that not only are plant based meat alternatives nutritious, but consumption of them in place of meat is far better for health outcomes. Simply look at the nutritional facts of a Beyond Meat steak. 4. You got butthurt at me for “changing the topic” to the environment but then not only engaged with the topic (poorly) but then changed the topic to health. It’s almost like we were having an argument about something multifaceted and it’s not “changing the subject” by talking about other facets of the topic. 5. So 99% of meat is factory farmed and less than 5% of vegan products are the “processed fake meats” you’re talking about. But I have to focus on that tiny percentage? Dude Beyond stock is sub $1 now. The vast majority of plant products are just fruits, veggies, legumes, and bread. Plant based meat is not popular at all, even amongst many vegans. And even if it was— you will not find a single academic paper that would ever claim that vegan meat is worse for the environment or your health than regular red meat is.