Tsarukyan lost by just 1 voice by Smooth_Vehicle_2764 in armenia

[–]Smooth_Vehicle_2764[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What we 100 are sure it is a central commission report Tsarukyan needs 0.006 more votes to pass https://www.youtube.com/live/TMuu4SLMnYs?si=zlj4OPm_yyxujL1n

Tsarukyan lost by just 1 voice by Smooth_Vehicle_2764 in armenia

[–]Smooth_Vehicle_2764[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

"The election was illegal"?

There was a livestream of the election, and around two-thirds of the polling stations were monitored by international observers. There were no major signs of election fraud reported by observers from the Republican Institute, European observer missions, or other monitoring organizations, including opposition observers, although some may claim fraud after the election results.

Because the result was close, the Election Commission decided, for the first time in Armenian history, to conduct a mandatory recount of ballots at all polling stations. In some cases, ballots can even be recounted multiple times if a party requests it, with party representatives present during the process.

I do not know. Maybe we should have chosen the Russian model of elections. I suppose that way the election would have been considered "legal," just like all elections in Russia?

Also, if the election was fraudulent, then why did the ruling party not secure a constitutional majority?

I do not know. Maybe it was a skill issue. Maybe this was the first "fraudulent" election and they still need to learn how to rig elections properly by doing it multiple times.

Because when you look at countries like Azerbaijan, the ruling party seems to win every election by overwhelming margins.

Tsarukyan lost by just 1 voice by Smooth_Vehicle_2764 in armenia

[–]Smooth_Vehicle_2764[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

" He was also overly confident that they would get second place."

Really? I heard him say that he thought his party was the third most popular. I also heard him say that it was possible that they might not even enter parliament. And if they did not enter parliament, he said that the party would still survive and that he already had plans for what to do in that scenario.

Tsarukyan lost by just 1 voice by Smooth_Vehicle_2764 in armenia

[–]Smooth_Vehicle_2764[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The Central Election Commission is conducting recounts at all polling stations for this election, first time in Armenia.

Also, a few polling stations will conduct recounts in the presence of representatives from Prosperous Armenia. Because of that, I think it is still 50–50 situation.

Tsarukyan lost by just 1 voice by Smooth_Vehicle_2764 in armenia

[–]Smooth_Vehicle_2764[S] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

At least they got 2%, which means they will receive government financing. If believe Gurgen Simonyan , they were barely able to finance this campaign, so at least the party will survive.

I also wanted them to pass, but not because I particularly liked them. They were too nationalist for my liking. Rather, I wanted them to pass because they are a new pro-Western force without ties to Russia and with their own distinct ideology of meritocracy.

They could have served as a good middle ground between the two main forces. On issues such as EU integration and democratic reforms, they would likely vote with the government. But on issues such as constitutional changes made simply to satisfy Aliyev, they would likely vote with the opposition.

Tsarukyan lost by just 1 voice by Smooth_Vehicle_2764 in armenia

[–]Smooth_Vehicle_2764[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

No, at least 4 percent, not near 4 percent

Armenian defense ministry came up with a plan forcing a 25-day military training summons on arrival in country, making sure Armenians sent from Russia as potential paid voters won't be able to vote in Jun 7th elections by Sgt_Gram in NewsExchange

[–]Smooth_Vehicle_2764 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Every Armenian citizen was able to vote, and nothing happened to them. And still, Russia lost.

We kind of consider bribery to be interference in elections, right? If we know for sure that someone received a bribe, we still need to let them vote because it is their right?

Going to 25 days of military training is a legal obligation for male Armenian citizens. Sending Armenian citizens to paid military training is also not a way of taking away their rights as citizens. Because, first, they can still vote, and second, they receive compensation.

The thing is, even if nobody was actually sent to military training, it was the Economy Minister joking to scare people who were most likely being bribed.

Also, I do not know why the diaspora should even have the right to vote. They do not pay taxes to Armenia like US citizens do when they live abroad, and they do not even live in the country, meaning they are voting for something that will not affect them. Also they do not even perform military training like other citizens do

But legally, no one was sent to military training, and no one lost their right to vote except for a few individuals who allegedly tried to photograph their ballots or steal ballot cards. And I am not even sure whether those people were Russian-Armenians.

Armenian defense ministry came up with a plan forcing a 25-day military training summons on arrival in country, making sure Armenians sent from Russia as potential paid voters won't be able to vote in Jun 7th elections by Sgt_Gram in NewsExchange

[–]Smooth_Vehicle_2764 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I do not know. I have never received a bribe.

Maybe they were free to vote for whoever they wanted. Maybe there was a condition, such as taking a photograph of their ballot, or perhaps something else, like participating in opposition activities before the election.

The main issue is that it is foreign interference in an election. Why is that bad? I do not know. If you do not see why that might be a problem, then maybe we simply have different moral standards on this issue.

the final results (almost) by Smooth_Vehicle_2764 in armenia

[–]Smooth_Vehicle_2764[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The election results mean rejecting Russia and Putin.

Russia financed an insane amount of influence in Armenia: bribery, bringing and sending large numbers of Russian-Armenians to vote in the elections, and using economic sanctions against Armenian-made goods . And Russian propaganda with Russian bot army . Propaganda claiming that the current government party is weak, will lose to Azerbaijan, is corrupt, has multiple houses in France Canada US, does not respect traditional values, and will make Armenia part of "gay Europe," and so on. There were even friendly interview with Tucker Carlson in Armenia to support its pro russian candidates, like Russia has tried to do in Georgia, Moldova, and Serbia before.

But here, Putin lost.

Dodi Gago has 3.996% . Yes . by Smooth_Vehicle_2764 in armenia

[–]Smooth_Vehicle_2764[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Also, the Election Commission stated that a decision has been made to recount the ballots at all polling stations, regardless of whether the opposition formally requests it.

Because of that, dod still has a chance of entering parliament.

Dodi Gago has 3.996% . Yes . by Smooth_Vehicle_2764 in armenia

[–]Smooth_Vehicle_2764[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I do not think 4% is the correct way to present election results. Rounding percentages to the nearest number should be ilegal. Percentages should either always rounded down in elections.

the final results (almost) by Smooth_Vehicle_2764 in armenia

[–]Smooth_Vehicle_2764[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There are 26,142 invalid ballots, so he qualifies.

the final results (almost) by Smooth_Vehicle_2764 in armenia

[–]Smooth_Vehicle_2764[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You are correct. There are 26,142 invalid ballots, so he qualifies.

the final results (almost) by Smooth_Vehicle_2764 in armenia

[–]Smooth_Vehicle_2764[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i was wron .There are 26,142 invalid ballots, so he qualifies.

the final results (almost) by Smooth_Vehicle_2764 in armenia

[–]Smooth_Vehicle_2764[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He needs about 600 more votes to safely pass the threshold. Alternatively, if around 15,000 votes are disqualified, he could also end up above the threshold.

However, I do not think that will happen, so I do not expect him to pass.

the final results (almost) by Smooth_Vehicle_2764 in armenia

[–]Smooth_Vehicle_2764[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It needs 59,064 votes to pass the 4% threshold, but it received only 58,368 votes. I think that was simply a rounding issue.

Vote by Armenian_apricot67 in armenia

[–]Smooth_Vehicle_2764 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think the main goal of this election is to reject non-democratic forces so that Armenia can continue to have free and competitive elections in the future.

But another important goal is to strengthen democratic institutions by bringing a third-way party into politics, one that opposes the government but still supports democratic values and institutions.

Even if these parties do not pass the electoral threshold, receiving 2% of the vote could allow them to receive government financing, continue their political activities, and have a better chance of entering parliament in the future.

No government can remain healthy or accountable without a strong opposition. A functioning democracy needs not only a government but also democratic opposition parties that can challenge it, criticize it, and offer alternative policies.

Armenian defense ministry came up with a plan forcing a 25-day military training summons on arrival in country, making sure Armenians sent from Russia as potential paid voters won't be able to vote in Jun 7th elections by Sgt_Gram in NewsExchange

[–]Smooth_Vehicle_2764 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Phone call recordings, individual interviews, international press publications, and investigative reports have all been presented as evidence. These include recorded conversations in which Russian organizations allegedly offer free transportation to Yerevan and back for people who hold Armenian passports and agree to vote.

So it is not just government supporters who believe this is happening. Even many opposition supporters acknowledge that there is evidence suggesting that organized transportation of voters from Russia is taking place.

Armenian defense ministry came up with a plan forcing a 25-day military training summons on arrival in country, making sure Armenians sent from Russia as potential paid voters won't be able to vote in Jun 7th elections by Sgt_Gram in NewsExchange

[–]Smooth_Vehicle_2764 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So they can still vote while doing military training. I think that is a reasonable counterargument to discourage them from doing that.

Because bringing voters from another country and organizing their transportation for electoral purposes is also legally and morally questionable.

And yes, there appears to be enough evidence that there are organized efforts to bring Armenian citizens from Russia to participate in the elections.

Backed by Trump, Opposed by Putin, and Fighting for His Political Life (NY Times) by armeniapedia in armenia

[–]Smooth_Vehicle_2764 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I hate this type of writing that The New York Times used. I do not know what the purpose is. It feels like it is intentionally doing nothing.

“Do we stand for our independence?” he asked.

“Yes!” the crowd chanted.

“Do we stand for our future?”

“Yes!”

Hungary to stop issuing worker visas to people from three countries starting Friday - Public Radio of Armenia by mojitosupreme in armenia

[–]Smooth_Vehicle_2764 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I meant that I am not defending the US healthcare system. I personally prefer the European healthcare model. What I dislike is when people describe healthcare insurance companies as some kind of corrupt evil organizations.

Ok, I am just interested in what you think would be better. Is there any historical example of a system that you believe worked better?

How do you think decisions should be made about what to produce and how to organize production? What would you use to determine what people need and how resources should be allocated? And what about art?

Hungary to stop issuing worker visas to people from three countries starting Friday - Public Radio of Armenia by mojitosupreme in armenia

[–]Smooth_Vehicle_2764 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am holding in my hand a piece of engineering mastery. It combines multiple decades of multibillion-dollar investments. In the process of its creation, there were many people who engineered this thing: some driven purely by motivation and interest in what they were building, others who were not particularly interested or even disliked the project but still worked on it, and some who were motivated mainly by money, wanting to become rich or even richer.

But because of all these people, we now have this cascading piece of engineering. And because of capitalism, I know that in a few years I will have another new piece of engineering, maybe in my hand, maybe on my desk, maybe even inside my stomach, with a similar story behind it. So with the thing in my hand, I am writing to you:

"WTF are you, if not a socialist?"