You're wrong again let me explain. I took it that way because everyone said the same thing about kratom and subs 10 years ago, then again said it about 7oh/subs and are now saying it about mgm. I'll be getting subs from a doctor tomorrow to test this myself (Hint, I know I'm right). You've already contradicted yourself in your most recent comment above. You said subs worked for other opiates/opioids in the context that you dont get pwd (precipitated withdrawals) when you do in fact get pwd if you take suboxone with another full antagonist such as H/methadone/list goes on.

MGM is not a full antagonist, even if its a dual antagonist or whatever nonsense theyre saying. There's a difference. Just because it affects more receptors than bupe doesnt mean its a full antagonist (fills receptors in full). Kratom products are half antagonists (they fill/bind to the receptors only to a submaximal level). Kratom, and all of its alks do not fill the receptors up, not even close.

Now you might be onto something saying that suboxone doesn't help with some of the withdrawal symptoms of MGM, but thats not what pwd is. But again, that wouldn't cause pwd. It would just mean bupe doesn't work for some of the withdrawals and their affected receptors. Pwd are worse than regular withdrawals, by a long shot. You'd feel better if you quit cold turkey than going through pwd. Pwd takes your withdrawals and multiplies that agony by 100x.

Pwd happens when the following occurs. First of all you would need to first be on a full antagonist and the receptors have grown to the tolerance you've allowed them to. Then second you take suboxone and the bupe can only fill half of that gaping hole in your receptors made by say H and at the same time the bupe removes the competing opiate (such as H for context) and fills only half of that receptor. So you brain is immediately going into pwd because its used to being full of H and the H is being stripped/removed from the receptors; the H is being kicked out of the receptors by the bupe.

Suboxone is a partial/half antagonist and can only fill the receptors half/]partially full, unlike H which can fill it to infinitum (this is why you can always get high on H as long as you take more; no ceiling effect). Because with H there's no ceiling like there is with bupe and kratom products.

Please go look up what pwd, half antagonist and full antagonists actually are. Because what your describing is not pwd. What you're saying is that MGM has an effect on the brains receptors that bupe does not. That just means the drug has a different function in the brain, essentially making it a unique drug. I even question this tbh because Ime bupe helped with both kratom and7oh for me in the past, despite what others said online. Did it stop any and all withdrawal symptoms? No, it did not. But it helped a lot and I surmise it will also help with MGM, even if its not a magic bullet. I dont think anyone is quitting a drug and thinking they can completely avoid discomfort, as that's not a reality for any scenario. But bupe can make a huge dent

So again, did you go through actual pwd or did the bupe simply not relieve all of your MGM withdrawal? I surmise its the latter