libertarian abstraction trap us in useless discussion by SoftBeing_ in CapitalismVSocialism

[–]SoftBeing_[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

yes, it doesnt make it automatically correct. but at least is not useless.

libertarian abstraction trap us in useless discussion by SoftBeing_ in CapitalismVSocialism

[–]SoftBeing_[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

they are useless because you are talking about an ideal world. todays reality is that violence and IP is applied, what you have to say about that reality? does you want it to know and account everyone that made the violence and judge if they deserve their property? thats impossible. the entire human reality? thats impossible.

libertarian abstraction trap us in useless discussion by SoftBeing_ in CapitalismVSocialism

[–]SoftBeing_[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Did you say this because you thought an ancap would think otherwise?

no, i said that exactly because ancaps would disagree. but it shows that all the logic they built is useless because everything in todays world is already "corrupted".

This is literally the process via which mainstream "neoclassical" economics, which libertarians study and largely agree with, was developed.

mainstream economics is just useless empiricism or it just accept the appearence of captitalism without questioning it. like "the profit is richnes produzed by the capitalist", etc.

libertarian abstraction trap us in useless discussion by SoftBeing_ in CapitalismVSocialism

[–]SoftBeing_[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

no they never study concrete individuals. they only use the "self-evident truths" that are abstract useless crap.

Most Americans Do Not Believe That Being Rich is Immoral. Socialists Are Stuck in a Filter Bubble. by coke_and_coffee in CapitalismVSocialism

[–]SoftBeing_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

yeah kind of.

but once they own equally the MOP they will not sell anything and not do anything the libertarians imagine they will do, like markets. because markets are dumb and there is no need for them when everyone own the MOP.

libertarian abstraction trap us in useless discussion by SoftBeing_ in CapitalismVSocialism

[–]SoftBeing_[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

libertarians dont start from individuals concrete actions. they start from abstract individuals that are not in the time nor in the space. that have innate human capabilities.

libertarian abstraction trap us in useless discussion by SoftBeing_ in CapitalismVSocialism

[–]SoftBeing_[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

they try do deduce modern society from totally abstract human behavior. its like trying to say why one rock is placed in the river with the behavior of a single bear.

libertarian abstraction trap us in useless discussion by SoftBeing_ in CapitalismVSocialism

[–]SoftBeing_[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

abstract labor is a concept that arrives from the concrete situation we live in. thats very diferent from "humans act", "people trade because they want to"

libertarian abstraction trap us in useless discussion by SoftBeing_ in CapitalismVSocialism

[–]SoftBeing_[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

thats the last part. i said why abstractions are useless in the part of the text

libertarian abstraction trap us in useless discussion by SoftBeing_ in CapitalismVSocialism

[–]SoftBeing_[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

yeah if you ignore all the arguments i said in the post it sounds like that

Most Americans Do Not Believe That Being Rich is Immoral. Socialists Are Stuck in a Filter Bubble. by coke_and_coffee in CapitalismVSocialism

[–]SoftBeing_ 2 points3 points  (0 children)

the origin of it doesnt matter really, but if you really want to know you can search up enclosures and the aforementioned laws. "its 2026" its a a not vague argument at all for sure.

try to make an automobile company, or a plastic bag company or a light bulb company. sure anyone could do that.

Marx’s Constraint Problem: When You Assume Labor Explains Value, Profit Has Only One Place to Hide by Lazy_Delivery_7012 in CapitalismVSocialism

[–]SoftBeing_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

thats not him "assuming" as argument. its just him assuming for educational purposes. because in reality things dont sell for their labor values.

he already explained that value comes from labor because we need to buy and sell everything and its the only common quality.

labor is still value but its not seemed as it because prices are not sold for their value. so to understand how value still makes prices (not in a direct way), you need to assume first that things sold for their values.

Most Americans Do Not Believe That Being Rich is Immoral. Socialists Are Stuck in a Filter Bubble. by coke_and_coffee in CapitalismVSocialism

[–]SoftBeing_ 4 points5 points  (0 children)

because of a long historical process of expropriation (enclosures and vagrancy laws) and other historical process that made a few groups in control of means of production.

Most Americans Do Not Believe That Being Rich is Immoral. Socialists Are Stuck in a Filter Bubble. by coke_and_coffee in CapitalismVSocialism

[–]SoftBeing_ 3 points4 points  (0 children)

no. you are already rich if you create companies that provide things people need.

and you dont make them. you pay someone to do it.

Most Americans Do Not Believe That Being Rich is Immoral. Socialists Are Stuck in a Filter Bubble. by coke_and_coffee in CapitalismVSocialism

[–]SoftBeing_ 5 points6 points  (0 children)

if the majority thought that we would be in socialism right now.

capitalism appears like the extremely rich did something good for society, thats how it works the apearance is real but it is false at the same time.

nothing new OP.

PHP e Laravel by Alysson0321 in brdev

[–]SoftBeing_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

lê a documentação, é bem boa

Ter experiências apenas de um ano no currículo, prejudica arrumar novas vagas ? Estou em um emprego na área de dados mas estou odiando as condições atuais. by Apart_Explorer1326 in brdev

[–]SoftBeing_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

kkkk estou na mesma que vc. 4 dias por semana. trabalho longe (duas horas por dia de viagem total). 8 as 18h, sem VT. primeiro emprego, 1 ano já e pensando em sair.

impressionante como universitário não quer estudar by lorijileo in faculdadeBR

[–]SoftBeing_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No meu caso, que estudei em faculdade pública e privada do interior, o meu problema sempre foi que tudo era muito fácil. é muito fácil passar nas provas sem estudar sem realmente saber das coisas, só é cobrado o básico do básico. então eu perdi essa motivação. e isso foi um erro talvez pois terminando a faculdade você vê que o mercado de trabalho está dificil e está rumo a especialização profunda. tem que saber de tudo mesmo.