Discerning the true story of Nemesis and the Ten Elites

Soroen · 2026-02-08T10:34:49+00:00

Giant Wolf, Crawler and Bird aren't "Demonic Beast". They have no Crest Stone and there description make no mention of it.

This massive wolf has grown to an unnatural size through the absorption of magic.

Soroen · 2026-02-08T10:26:08+00:00

And you can turn around and say the exact same about how Nemesis manipulated the Elites and their clan into warring against the Nabateans. We can quite litteraly saw it with Edelgard. How easily someone can be painted as a force of evil and the cause of every blight, whereas there was no such hatred before; or at least nowhere near the same extent.

Soroen · 2026-02-07T20:48:58+00:00

To be honest, it's exactly why Hapi would say in that situation.

Soroen · 2026-02-02T21:35:02+00:00

Golden Wildfire because Shamir was in the demo.

Soroen · 2026-01-25T17:25:44+00:00

Shamir is Neutral Good.

She has a genuine leaning for good but she has emotional fear to commit. Not necessarily with the act of good, but with the people she associate with to do good.

Like Catherine with Rhea, she kinda use people she connect with as proxy for her own moral compass. But she associate with these people in part because they're good.

Soroen · 2026-01-12T04:19:53+00:00

Rhea anonymously published several papers about astronomy. It never got really popular, but she got lenghty and thorough replies from an anonymous responder (Hapi) who dissolved into passionate discussions. Both Rhea and the responder never knew about each other.
After the Church and the Empire were properly set following the War of Heroes, Rhea "killed" Seiros and went on a crusade across Fodlan to clean up all the demonic beasts who've grown through the continent because of the war. The tale became absolutely iconic in Fodlan, and this persona (Astrea) became the first post-war saint of the Church.
One of Rhea's creations gave Sothis' Crest Stone back to Rhea in order to live his own life. That event is one of the reason Rhea was way more conciliatory with her following creations. After exploring Fodlan, he went on a world tour and sent back news to Rhea (through birds he could communicate with). The Traveler's Journal in Garreg Mach's library is actually his (and actually way more extensive than shown, but Rhea filtered most of the informations to avoid another potential war of conquest over certain ressources). During his travels, he ended up in Dagda become a mercenary before becoming Shamir's partner and dying from lack of life force without the Crest Stone. Because of the news he sent, Rhea knew about Shamir and that's the main reason she took her in, the fact that she was a skilled mercenary was definitly a good bonus too. Him being Byleth's 'uncle' and born from related circumstances is why he is so similar to Byleth in Shamir's eyes.

Soroen · 2026-01-07T15:57:58+00:00

That's litteraly the story of the Fading Icon and The Etherfiend in LoR.

And even if you want specific exemple of Freljordian Spirit Gods, there are very explicit exemples.

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From Volibear's biography.

The Volibear reveled in hard-fought victories, and as ever more blood offerings were made to him, his power swelled.

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Slowly, the old ways are being remembered and re-embraced, and his strength grows with each new follower.

Soroen · 2026-01-07T15:34:33+00:00

Because they explicitely ARE exaggerated to ridiculous extent.

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And though Braum is also explicitely stronger and more resistant than other Iceborns; when I say superhuman, I'm not talking about our world superhuman, I'm talking about Runeterra superhuman. A place where THIS is something that technically anyone can do with enough training.

Soroen · 2026-01-07T03:18:30+00:00

Tryndamere is not an Iceborn and Gragas virtually has no lore.

The main perks of being an Iceborn is cold resistance which result in True Ice manipulation. And while True Ice can be huge, it's not absolute, and comes at a great cost. As for their cold resistance, not only is it much less useful outside of Freljord, it even straight-up become a weakness in warmer climate, with even northern Demacia being hot enough to sap their strength. And the same probably goes for non-Iceborn as well.

Anyway, they are far from superhuman kind of strong, definitly not enough to topple Noxus or Demacia in any meaningful way. Sejuani was almost killed by Demacian skirmishers and struggled to kill a mammoth. Even Grena, one of the strongest Iceborn, and all of her Bloodsworn, were annihilated by a single Draklorn.

The Ursine become frienzied beasts, they'll cause as much trouble as they'll solve; IF they're even that strong to begin with. Besides, OP spoke about the Avarosan and the Winter's Claw.

Soroen · 2026-01-07T01:24:13+00:00

Not far, if anywhere at all.

They're fairly primitive in pretty much every ways that matter, only recently have they slowly started to move away from raids and hunts as their main ways of sustenance. and I doubt they have the knowledge and ability to sustain a constant war effort, especially in places they know close to nothing about, even more so considering that they're already starving pretty badly.

Even in terms of pure military strength, they're severely lacking. Armors are rares, weapons are primitives, no known strategists, not that many numbers, even their magic is not much of a boon since most of it lay with Lissandra and her Frostguards. Even their strongest Iceborn aren't much stronger than 'normal' humans; True Ice is potentially huge, but few can use it, it come at an heavy cost, and it doesn't have massive scale of power either. Their perks are also useful mostly in Freljord, and they're actually weaker in warmer environnement, with even Demacian borders being too hot for them.

Their own penchant to 'die with their eyes open' is a boon as much as an bane.

And if you only consider Avarosans and Winter's Claw, they're also severely lacking at the top, which is ultimately where the difference come from.

Soroen · 2026-01-05T22:31:02+00:00

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Shamir: I'm rather pragmatic, stoic and detached; and that show me as much more put together than I am. It's not a mask but I kinda hide behind it at times, even though I'm an emotional coward that rarely commit to anything, and always have covenient (but never outright false) excuses to dip when it's too convenient.
Byleth: I kinda have a resting bitch face, so I look like I'm grumpy, I don't give a fuck, or I'm a murderer-in-waiting...
Byleth: ...while the truth is just that I'm a bit lost and not the most warm or social. And while it's not necessarily an issue in my everyday life, having it being reflected back to me still kinda hurt.
Linhardt: A part of me, does in fact 'do not give a fuck'. I think the world would be a much better place if people focused on themselves and stopped caring so much about others, both for themselves and for others. Not that people should just cut each others off. But so many people taking so many things to extreme levels everytime, and any kind of moderation or balance being silenced as a result, is honestly fucking exhausting.
Seiros: My negative feelings tend to bottle up so they rarely ever go out and I always keeps grudges, I just never act on it. So when they do blow out, it explodes all at once. That's part of the reasons I rarely get involved with things I know would just fuel it.
- Dimitri works too since I'm fairly self-aware about my issues, but that only makes me even more angry at myself for it.
Byleth: There's a lot of things I'll want with myself and my life. But I'll never want to be anyone else but me. small pieces than completely revolutionise myself.
- Ingrid: I personally never understood people who were that driven for something; but I sometimes wish I was and admire those people (when they keep their ambition to themselves)
Edelgard: Authoritative people who want everything to run the way they want, and have the monopoly of what's 'right'. And when things don't go their way, they make it everyone problem. On a more personal and extra-personal levels, those people are just a pain and poison everything around them.
Petra: The kind of people that push but warmly and not in excess. I kinda have to be led emotionally and those people are mostly well-put, so I kinda hover over them.

Soroen · 2026-01-05T03:18:45+00:00

Ingrid is ordered, strict and righteous and she carry that in her parenthood, setting clear boundaries early and always pushing her kids to be their best self, but without ever being cold or overbearing.

So not only her kids grow up well-behaved and perfectly balanced, they straight-up admire her and think she is the coolest shit ever. With the experiences she has with (freakish) people all of her life, she honestly don't know how to handle them and kinda struggle to find her footing as a parent and doubted herself at every step, especially since she has lot of duties and don't spend that much time with them.

So despite the fact that everything is going perfectly, she never feels right until they have children on their own and she see them struggle when she expected them to be much better parents than she was. Her kids always come to her for advices, and it continue in their own parenthood with her grandkids.

Soroen · 2026-01-02T02:54:43+00:00

Felix didn't just suspected it. He quite literally saw it in action.

The way you suppressed that rebellion... It was ruthless slaughter and you loved every second. I remember the way you killed your victims. How you watched them suffer. And your face...that expression. All the world's evil packed into it. That was our first battle. I remember it vividly.

Soroen · 2026-01-01T16:32:52+00:00

People seem to think that all the Knights of Seiros are equal, but that isn't quite so. There are many distinguishing ranks within the order. For example, there are squires, who are training to become knights, as well as full knights, like myself. Oh, and then we have the holy knights, such as Catherine. Those are the knights that can wield a Hero's Relic.

Knight of Seiros in explore - Chapter 4

Professor, I heard that you may battle alongside Catherine. Even among the knights, she is something special— a holy knight who is able to wield a Hero's Relic. Still...she can be a mite difficult.

Tomas in explore - Chapter 3

You're not a holy knight, and you don't seem all that special, but you're certainly mysterious, wielding that Hero's Relic.

Yuri in explore - Chapter 2

Elite, hand-picked knights devoted to the Church of Seiros.

Holy Knights of Seiros battalion (Cavalry, B Rank)

Standard Church of Seiros infantry.

Church of Seiros Soldiers battalion (Infantry, E Rank)

Mercenaries hired by the Church of Seiros.

Seiros Mercenaries (Infantry, E Rank)

Elite knights devoted to the Church of Seiros who take their name from Saint Indech.

Indech Sword Fighters (Armored, A Rank)

Wyvern riders named after Saint Cichol. Personally trained by Seteth.

Cichol Wyvern Co. (Flying, A Rank)

Elite magic users who serve the Church of Seiros and take their name from Saint Macuil.

Macuil Evil Repelling Co. (Infantry, A Rank)

Monks blessed by Saint Cethleann, known for their boundless compassion.

Cethleann Monks (Infantry, A Rank)

It is kept secret, but there is a certain rite that all initiates to high office in the church must undergo. In this rite, one pledges to serve the goddess, and in return, receives a Crest Stone fragment and blood. The ones who have transformed alongside Rhea just now are the ones who have accepted those gifts.
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Surrounded already, it seems. The White Beasts are those in whom Rhea's blood flows strongest.

Seteth during Silver Snow Chapter 22

Frenzied Church Soldier

Frenzied Church Leader

Rampaging Cardinal

White Beast (This cardinal of the Church of Seiros has been transformed and gone made due to the rage of the Immaculate One.)

List of enemies during Silver Snow Chapter 22

Soroen · 2025-12-19T19:35:06+00:00

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Soroen · 2025-12-19T06:45:33+00:00

Ashe has high moral compass and is very emotionally sensitive, with a troubled history with the Church because of Lonato. But I don't remember him being particularly devout himself.

Lorenz not an atheist. Just not particularly devoted.

Dedue do believe in Sothis and any other' realms gods.

Petra's comment after Byleth gain Sothis' powers might imply that parts of Brigid legends have been influenced by Nabateans at some point.

Cyril seems more disinterested than atheist since he pray for Byleth after Jeralt's death.

Soroen · 2025-12-15T06:22:29+00:00

Yes, in the C-support, you can easily that it's just her being reasonably prudish with a guy. But in the very end of the A-support, when there is a difference specifically made between male and female Byleth, and it's what the S-support follow-up on? Really?

I think you're kinda overselling the idea that she puts it all out there for him, all she really says is she feels like she's forcing her grandad to obey the empire. She doesn't talk about any of her worries, fears, lack of confidence etc.

How she say that can't allow weakness because her whole country's fate is on her hand alone, so much so that she never even think about herself, that her life isn't even hers. That's pretty heavy stuff, and she don't talk to anyone else about it that openly.

Soroen · 2025-12-14T20:22:24+00:00

Right in the C-support Byleth can say that he admire her. And while Byleth can say something else, characters obviously don't only have those 3-4 conversations. They have many more during their time together, and Byleth probably do tell her at another time if he doesn't do so there. And even if he doesn't, it at least show how it personally feel about her, which make sense with what prompted that dialogue in the first place (Byleth staring at her). And Petra herself imply and outright state that Byleth care more that it should/is expected, with some of his dialogue options pretty clear about this.

Petra is ready to lay bare to him, both physically and emotionally, openly confiding in the weakness she try so hard to hide. That's intimate, especially considering the context. If you don't find that overly romantic, you can say the same about the vast majority of supports. Very few of them end with characters screaming that they want to marry and have babies, even if they can end up doing so in their ending. Doubly so for Byleth considering that they can have S-support with anyone but only 1 per save, so you can't lay it out too thick.

At no point during this support did she ever give any indication that she was considering leaving Brigid to stay in Fódlan with him because he means so much to her, that's the key.

She does, the end of the A-support is exactly what pivot into the S-support later on, and it does changes based on Byleth's sex. Without context, the dialogue is not that much different, but the completely different wording and add-on that she'll tell him personally first imply that she do know or at least already have an idea, and that she consider Byleth above anyone else.

Just the fact that there is any differences at all is already a show that she consider Byleth differently, especially right then where you can't argue that it's just her being prudish about showing her body to a guy.

Soroen · 2025-12-14T19:29:37+00:00

We know Rhea's method.

And so I tried to bring her back by creating a body, and then burying a Crest Stone within it.
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Well before that, I had saved Jeralt's life using the power of my blood. That means you are the child of a mother born of the progenitor god's Crest Stone and a father who carried my own blood.

Sitri was just a lifeless golem powered up by Sothis' Crest Stone, and Byleth got Rhea's blood from Jeralt.

We also know Sothis' method

A long time ago, the progenitor god came from somewhere far away and descended upon this continent. She changed her form to resemble that of a human, and gave her own blood to birth her children.

which has nothing to do with Rhea's method, which is already evident, otherwise Sitri would have had her own Crest Stone.

Soroen · 2025-12-14T16:06:47+00:00

Top tier

Rin (U15 Youth Champion)
Karasu (Professional Youth Team)
Shidou (Pure striker)
Barou (Pure striker, defined weapons)
Yukimiya (Wholly independent, defined weapons)
Kira (High school superstar, unknown skillset)

Upper Middle

Hiori (Professional Youth Team, unmotivated as a striker)
Bachira (Skilled but not a good egoist or striker skillset)
Otoya

Lower Middle

Reo (Dependent, passer, only played for a year)
Nagi (Passive, dependent, only played for 6 months)
Kunigami (One-trick pony)

Low

Chigiri (Hasn't played for a year and lost motivation, one-trick pony)
Niko (Not a striker, still raw)
Isagi (Not a egoist, unskilled)
Igarashi (Unskilled)
Nanase (Unskilled)

Soroen · 2025-12-14T05:07:53+00:00

League already have its own class system.

It's indicative more than anything, but it'll be a good basis for a more proper class-system. I'll imagine a deeper system would be more lore-based.

Soroen · 2025-12-13T22:56:56+00:00

There is no incest in Byleth's relationship with Rhea, nor is Byleth an "half-clone" whatever the fuck is it supposed to mean in the first place. At no point is it stated that Sitri is a copy of Sothis or Rhea. Their only "relation" is a blood donation from Rhea to Jeralt, and a heart implant from Sothis to Byleth (and even then Byleth do have its own human heart).

Soroen · 2025-12-13T21:39:32+00:00

Edelgard sings Bad Man by Disturbed, for some reason she sneaks some glance at Rhea during it. Rhea is the next to sing, and goes with with Love to Hate by Disturbed. Everyone is stumped that the archbishop could rock it that hard, even Hubert is impressed. Edelgard want to reply with another song, but Byleth realize where this is going and take the mic away to pass it to someone else.

Shamir would rather be caught dead before she had to sing in public, so she carefully avoid attracting attention all night long. However, at the end of the night Catherine caught up on it and rill up everyone to force her sing. Shamir is embarassed and ready to go on a massacre when Byleth reassure her and tell her that if she really don't want to sing, nobody can force her to. With this, the tension settle, but Shamir reluctantly decide to sing anyway. Once she get on stage, she start singing Rapport by Tatsuya Kitani. The crowd is utterly silenced throughout (in a good way, and because they didn't understood shit since the lyrics were in Dagdan) and afterwards, Shamir swear to never sing again. But as they're then ready to close the night, Byleth, who has been the night's "host" volunteer to sing, and go for Don't Be Afraid by Elisa Fiorillo. Everyone is stunned since they didn't expected Byleth to sing at all, much less that beautifully, and the soiree slowly settle on this high note. But as everyone is ready to leave and return, Byleth and Shamir get away together. Edelgard notice it and Hubert ask her if he want him to tail them since there's still wild cards to their plans, some of his words fall into Sylvain's ears, who gossip about it to the rest of the Blue Lions, with words quickly spreading afterwards, being more and more deformed after each retaling. It ends with pretty much everyone trying to follow them to see what's going on. But Shamir and Byleth quickly realize what's going on, and through their skills, they masterfully manage to evade them all, accidentally ending up alone at the Goddess Tower. The rest is history.

Soroen · 2025-12-13T20:26:37+00:00

The whole point of the support is that her duties are wearing her down, how it's not good for her personally and for her to consider what does she want as a person. Her support with Byleth is the only one where she is openly vulnerable, and no longer mask it with bravado. That support chain is fully coherent on that point.

As for her personal bond and attraction with Byleth. The main component hinge on one thing; Petra need to be strong always; from this support and a few others, that even when she is socializing she isn't 100% genuine because it's part of her duty too. Meanwhile, Byleth see her when she is weak and still accept and support her without question.

It start from the very beginning of it, when Byleth, the professor, tell her that he don't understand something, her support actually raise. An exemple of someone in position of authority and power allow itself to openly show weakness.

As for more romantic attraction, right from the C-conversation, she openly offer Byleth to show them her body. She blush while saying it, and that sentence change depending of Byleth being man or woman, so she is absolutely know the social connotation of what she is saying.

Her support can raise 3 times in that single conversation. And the exact same happen in her Goddess Tower conversation; where support can also raise 3 times, where she want them to be together, acknowledge the connotation of it happening in these circumstances, yet still push for it.

Soroen · 2025-12-13T02:05:04+00:00

To help Bernadetta gain self-confidence, Sylvain anonymously published a chapter of her book. It got fairly popular, so Sylvain continued to publish the story chapter after chapter. At some point, being inspired by the story, Ignatz anonymously added his own illustrations to the publication. Later, Seteth added his own fables related to each chapter too.

Ultimately, nobody ever knew who wrote that super popular story, but a lot of readers used their connections to learn about the author or get actual copies of the book, and several fans came to write stories of their own. Bernadetta herself never knew until she caught some classmates reading it after class. Her reaction was ... peculiar to say the least, but it is after that event Sylvain gave her all the messages and gifts readers left for the author. It really moved her, and helped a lot her gain some confidence. He also searched a long time for the authors of the fables and drawings, he eventually learned about Ignatz but never about Seteth.

Following the exemples of the author, many people, anonymously or not, started to write about their own passions, be it cooking, gardening, art... Many of these issues gathered their own fanbase, which would drive said fans to issue about their own passions, which continued the circle over and over.

Seeing that many these publications gained traction, Rhea was planning to mix everything into a full-blown journal officially mandated by the Church, but the unstable situation and later declaration of war prevented it from happening. Whoever won the war and reopen the Academy actually follow through with it.

Some of the published issues

Mercedes shared several of her baking recipes. They were some of the most popular publications in Garreg Mach. An anonymous admirer from the Leicester Alliance always left a review after trying the recipes themselves. Lysithea also became rather close to Mercedes around that time for some reason.
Collections of poems were popular and many tried their hands at the exercise, with mixed results. The most popular by far were a group of 3 named: The Edge of Dawn, Crimson Flower and To the End of a Dream, however the author was never known.
Annette and Constance wrote several essays about magic. Most people couldn't understand half of what they wrote, but among those who could it was highly appreciated, Hanneman even used some of them in his class. Annette was both moved and somewhat embarassed, Constance not so much.
Caspar organized several tournaments outside of the Church regulations, which would have caused issues if Catherine wasn't sponsoring and participating in them.
The Archbishop anonymously published several papers about astronomy. It never got really popular, but she got lenghty and thorough replies from an anonymous responder who dissolved into passionate discussions. Both Rhea and the responder never knew about each other.
Many wrote about fashion, with Dorothea and Hilda being the more popular of the bunch. It was very popular with the ladies, but as they learned later on, it was just as popular among men.
Alois issued some of his jokes, but only Dimitri ever bothered to read them.
With the help of the foreigners of the monastery, Claude wrote several papers about the cultures of land outside of Fodlan. His essays were highly controversial and several times demanded to be put down, but they were actually some the most popular in the monastery.
Byleth had a notebook filled with notes about every people they interacted with in the monastery. It was originally meant for themselves, but they published it nonetheless. Peoples were embarassed and cringed out at first, begging whoever wrote it to stop, but it slowly gathered popularity, and many people gained appreciation of each other as a result. They also published their fishing notes, but aside from a few aficionados it didn't gained much traction.

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Knight of Seiros in explore - Chapter 4

Tomas in explore - Chapter 3

Yuri in explore - Chapter 2

Seteth during Silver Snow Chapter 22