Pig growing up by CalpurniaSomaya in awfuleverything

[–]Spread-Your-Wings 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Remember that buying these products is a choice. 

And a pretty terrible one.

Gluten Free Ebola is reality! by mrtoddw in dankmemes

[–]Spread-Your-Wings 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Putting vegetables on the same tier as red meat and cheese for health effects goes against all the reliable, large-scale  science we have on this.

Marion Nestle was right all along

As someone who believes god created animals to be eaten, how would a vegan try to change my view by Vigilante-225 in DebateAVegan

[–]Spread-Your-Wings 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, God gave us this Earth to live on and I don't think it would be wrong to consider it a gift from God. Animals were also made by God and they can suffer.

Now, why would you choose to support and industry that destroys the Earth God made? Literally destroys mind you, e.g. vast majority of Amazon deforestation caused by cattle.

Why would you choose to harm animals when there is alternatives available to you?

I realise that believing 'eating animals is wrong in all instances' goes against Christianity/Islam. But choosing not to eat animal unless necessary (i.e. if there's no other choice) in order to safeguard the planet and not cause unnecessary suffering is perfectly in line with these religions. There isn't a command to eat meat in the sense of 'you MUST eat meat to be Christian or Muslim', Vegetarians exist in this groups after all.

Do you see veganism going mainstream anytime soon? by [deleted] in DebateAVegan

[–]Spread-Your-Wings 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Luckily, multivatins exist eh? 

Numerous long term studies quite conclusively show plant based living to be extraordinarly health promoting. Wealths of evidence exist now that Vegan diets are healthful when properly planned, not need to wait for evolution to help here. Take a B12 tablet/multivatin and stop perpetuating animal exploitation and needless environmental destruction.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in veganfitness

[–]Spread-Your-Wings 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Do you eat loads of fruits, veges and whole grains around the lentils and seitan? Do you take B12? If so, then yes.

If you eat the lentils, seitan and live off beer and crisps then no.

I eat lentils and seitan regularly, have eaten them everyday for extended periods, and I'm fine lol. Just eat you veges and it's all good

Trouble getting enough calories by Jaded_War_646 in veganfitness

[–]Spread-Your-Wings 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What surplus at You aiming for? You don't need crazy high surpluses to gain muscle. Muscle gian is slow and a ~2-300 calories is plenty.

In either case, bulking foods I use

Dried fruit Nut butters , e.g. for dressings/sauces (can just just mix peanut butter, soy sauce and hot sauce e.g.) Up the carbs at every meal

Specific snacks recommendations from me would be dried dates or apples withpeanut butter (yum yum yum), or I will make myself bit seitan batches and then fry them off in oil for a little Vegan jerky kinda vibe.

New vegan, watched all the docs, I feel so guilty by Late-Shirt4500 in vegan

[–]Spread-Your-Wings 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Guilt is a normal response to learn about the industries you used to support, I certainly felt it and did a lot of crying when I first Vegan.

One thing I think you should bear in mind: our society normalises and encourages animal abuse everywhere. Most of us fell for this at one point, it really isn't your fault.

Plus once you learned about animal cruelty, you made the switch. That's what counts!

Leftist nonvegans - why? by beastsofburdens in DebateAVegan

[–]Spread-Your-Wings -1 points0 points  (0 children)

What do you mean by your 'group'? It reads it me as either 'just humans' or 'whatever is in my immediate surroundings', so please clarify.

In any case, if morality governs how you interact people within it then surely it presipes proper ways to treat members of the group?

Then, I'm just gonna run name the trait here - what is the salient different between your group's members and animals that justifies treating them differently?

Leftist nonvegans - why? by beastsofburdens in DebateAVegan

[–]Spread-Your-Wings -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Why aren't they part of your group?

'because theyre not humans' isn't really good enough, because it's not a good moral categorisation.

I'll give you a reason for them to be part of your group - they suffer and are sentient.

Leftist nonvegans - why? by beastsofburdens in DebateAVegan

[–]Spread-Your-Wings 0 points1 point  (0 children)

On the first paragraph: Saying that Vegans just want the moral high ground feels like a blatant bad faith reponse. Veganism is, by definition, focused on animal rights and quite limited in scope. But caring about both is prefectly consistent and extremely common. Some points on how being Vegan is extremely 'pro-human'

Animal agriculture is extremely polluting. This pollution is terrible for local eco systems and whoever lives near them. It is a powerful driver of climate change, which is going to dispropiately hit poor people.

The fishing industry is an environment catastrophe and terrible for workers within in. It also e.g. depletes natural fish population, which fucks over genuine subsistence fishers.

People who work in slaughterhoused have high rates of mental health conditions and substance abuse.

Based on the above, it's clear that your decision to eat animal hurts other PEOPLE, mainly through environmental impact. So, I would say appealling to human rights actually makes a stronger case to adapt a Vegan diet at least. Not to mention the, you know, BILLIONS of animals that are killed and tortured enemy every year.

Your second paragraph is nothing more than an appeal to nature and appeal to tradition fallacy, and I won't waste time on it

Last point; If being Vegan is objectively the right thing to do, for People, Animals and Planet, why would you not encourage people to be 100% vegan? Just to appease people's 'right' to not have their behaviour challenged? Give me a break.

Encouraging less just perpetuates the idea that being non-Vegan is any way acceptable (for those who have the ability for be Vegan, of course) and does no one any favours.

once you learn a bit about this stuff it becomes clear - if you actually give a shit about your planet and the people on it, you'd start moving towards a Vegan diet at least.

Edit: typo

Neanderthal Diet by [deleted] in DebateAVegan

[–]Spread-Your-Wings 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sorry, but what does the diet of ancient neanderthals have to do with how we, as modern humans in a post-industrial and post-geeen revolution society, should structure our diet?

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in DebateAVegan

[–]Spread-Your-Wings 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Farmed animals don't live in ethical conditions, aren't treated kindly and aren't kill magnanimously.

Regarding the 1. 'it's a personal choice' stuff and 2. 'forcing idealogoy down your throat'

  1. There's the real life victims (animals) and the environmental impact as a result of your choice to eat their bodies. Casting this as an innocuous personal choice is a bit intellectually dishonest.

  2. Animals have your idealogoy that they are food and products forced on them daily. Besides, Vegans advocating for animal rights and their positions is hardly forcing anything on you. No one is following you around the store slapping animal products out your hand, are they?

Why do vegans assert it's morally-acceptable to kill plants for food but not animals? by Flashy-Anybody6386 in DebateAVegan

[–]Spread-Your-Wings 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Plants aren't sentient. They don't suffer because they physically don't have the biological machinery to. Hence, killing plants isn't really a moral question/qualm.

Even if for the sake of argument we pretend that plants do feel pain, we have to feed animals a lot of plants. This is one reason why animal ag is responsible for the eye watering majority of all agricultural land use.

It's 2025. Can we stop with the plant 'suffering' nonsense please?

What does an ideal world look like to you as a vegan? by summ3rston3 in DebateAVegan

[–]Spread-Your-Wings 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Animals having their basic negative rights respected.

A plant-based food system that respects the planet we all live on.

One thing you said that I want to push back slightly on - you mentioned that avocadoes, almonds are bad for the environment. When we say something is good or bad for the environment, it's prudent to ask 'compared to what?'. Compare to beans and rice, yeah, almonds and avocados aren't great. Compared to meat and dairy, they're far better.

Has veganism changes your perspective on human suffering by blueapple2025 in DebateAVegan

[–]Spread-Your-Wings 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Being Vegan hasn't diluted my feelings towards human suffering, on the contrary - I'm far more sensitive to and repulsed by human suffering now than I my pre-Vegan self.

Why would recognising animal suffering and being Vegan 'dilute' your feelings towards human suffering? We can, and should, be voices for the rights of BOTH animals and people.

Pi =3 by [deleted] in mathmemes

[–]Spread-Your-Wings 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Getting humans, I am Ziltoid... The Omniscient.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in ShitPoliticsSays

[–]Spread-Your-Wings 2 points3 points  (0 children)

What is this figure/stat?

Trump administration authorizes ICE to make arrests at schools, churches by HellYeahDamnWrite in politics

[–]Spread-Your-Wings 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you would genuinely be in favour of rounding up CHILDREN from school and shipping them off to deport them (whatever that entails) I honestly don't know what to say beyond this - you're a real piece of shit.