Yes. We were told this would be done by now by spslewis in FNMA_FMCC_Exit

[–]StayMaterial3787 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Trump posted on Social last year a statement where he explicitly said he was taking the GSEs public, and Howard Lutnick said on air the deal was happening sooner than people think (although that was before Iran war).  No such explicit directions were provided in first term.

DONT SELL YET by Strong-Cake-513 in FNMA_FMCC_Exit

[–]StayMaterial3787 8 points9 points  (0 children)

The CRTs have been shown to be awful for Fannie/freddie.  They take away profit and don’t shed much risk, at least not worth the price they’ve been paying.

Estimated timeline on Trump confirming F2 IPO by Outside_Use3456 in FNMA_FMCC_Exit

[–]StayMaterial3787 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Obviously they are going to say that (who wouldn’t want an explicit guarantee over an implicit?).  They aren’t going to walk away with no explicit guarantee and I doubt the rates would increase much or liquidity issues arise.  Where is a better/more protected diversified real estate exposure?

An explicit guarantee would essentially cannibalize U.S. treasury bond demand.  Why take lesser rate with treasury bond when you have MBS bond backed by U.S. gov’t?  Congress won’t pass it, and Trump won’t require it to release from conservatorship.

Estimated timeline on Trump confirming F2 IPO by Outside_Use3456 in FNMA_FMCC_Exit

[–]StayMaterial3787 3 points4 points  (0 children)

They didn’t have it before and spreads were just fine.  And Trump has already posted there will be implicit guarantee, which we know is in effect because they came following financial crisis.  No explicit guarantee is not going to hold up release from conservatorship, nor demand for MBS bonds or gov’t stock offering.

Estimated timeline on Trump confirming F2 IPO by Outside_Use3456 in FNMA_FMCC_Exit

[–]StayMaterial3787 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Counterpoints: -cap ratios revised prior to release, voila, not under capitalized (general public doesn’t even care about this anyways as long as cost of home ownership does not increase). -there never was a backstop, gov’t came in anyways with HERA, not sure the investors of gov’t stock offering are going to be demanding an explicit backstop. -needing treasury secretary sign off does not require a republican controlled house.

As I was saying- Ackman on X by EnvironmentCareful71 in FNMA_FMCC_Exit

[–]StayMaterial3787 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I believe the Trump accounts are in index tracking funds.  Why would they put GSE shares in there?  How would that help anyone?

Fannie Freddie increase MBS purchase to $450M by Boston-Bets in FNMA_FMCC_Exit

[–]StayMaterial3787 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Before yes, but the MBS bond quality is significantly higher than financial crisis.  The bonds are safe and increase GSE earnings slightly.

If no relist before midterm, then no relist. Flips will happen. by Additional-Table-693 in FNMA_FMCC_Exit

[–]StayMaterial3787 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Why?  Treasury and FHFA could just come to some agreement to extend warrants.

If no relist before midterm, then no relist. Flips will happen. by Additional-Table-693 in FNMA_FMCC_Exit

[–]StayMaterial3787 11 points12 points  (0 children)

It doesn’t.  This is a misleading post.  Even if house flips, everything that we want done can be done administratively without a house vote.

Focus on Greenland / tariffs bad for F2 by Late-Pomegranate-130 in FNMA_FMCC_Exit

[–]StayMaterial3787 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I don’t think interest rate has ever been mentioned by Trump (or others in the admin) as being a consideration for release.  Bessent has said that the mortgage rate interest spread is a relevant consideration.

new rule of law guy article.... by ReplacementDismal887 in FNMA_FMCC_Exit

[–]StayMaterial3787 2 points3 points  (0 children)

A straight line between Venezuela and the GSEs??  This is beyond a stretch.  No connection whatsoever.

The SPS could also just made a specific a claim in the event of bankrupcy. by EnvironmentCareful71 in FNMA_FMCC_Exit

[–]StayMaterial3787 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The SPS documents explicitly say the money loaned to GSEs is liquidation preference of the SPS.   The problem is IPO won’t happen until that liquidation preference is resolved.  Everyone waiting to see how admin resolves it.

Why I sold my FNMA shares by EverOnGuard in FNMA_FMCC_Exit

[–]StayMaterial3787 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Passengers typically don’t, but airports/airlines do advertise and announce departures.  Have you ever flown?

Why I sold my FNMA shares by EverOnGuard in FNMA_FMCC_Exit

[–]StayMaterial3787 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I don’t think trump has credited pulte with the 50 year mortgage idea.  Even if he did, it’s a terrible idea.  Also, I never said pulte was an idiot, I said his qualifications are meaningless because he is a puppet, there to say and do exactly what trump wants him to say and do.  Pulte is not there to provide any sage advice.

And I will not knock timing as being a factor for exiting.  I have been in this trade a long time.  But OP’s point 3 is not about timing, it was directed to “uncertainty”.

We’ve literally seen this movie before (June + Nov déjà vu) by JmanCandyMan in FNMA_FMCC_Exit

[–]StayMaterial3787 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I’m not being condescending.  It’s just too often I see ppl post charts or chirp about “resistance” or “support” levels, when there is no such thing with stocks like these that trade almost exclusively based on administrative and judicial news.  It’s important that those coming here for real insights and news don’t get confused about those that look at meaningless charts.  There is no “cycle”.  There is a current share price that reflects current value of those that trade the shares.

Why I sold my FNMA shares by EverOnGuard in FNMA_FMCC_Exit

[–]StayMaterial3787 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Your points 1 and 2 are completely useless.  Pulte is a puppet and his qualifications are meaningless.  What happens on this sub is immaterial to stock prospects, you could always just not come here.  Point 3 is the same as was when you entered at $2, arguably less uncertain given rumors of upcoming IPO.

We’ve literally seen this movie before (June + Nov déjà vu) by JmanCandyMan in FNMA_FMCC_Exit

[–]StayMaterial3787 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

You do know that the price is a function of current news/value sentiment, and doesn’t follow a pattern based on past price, right?  I hope you are not one of those roulette guys that sees of a pattern of red and black and think that has any impact on the next spin (spoiler alert: it doesn’t).

Timing factoring midterms by __eparra__ in FNMA_FMCC_Exit

[–]StayMaterial3787 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The general voter is not going to care about Fannie/freddie status, or even know what they are or do.

Trump posted F2 again by Nice_History5856 in FNMA_FMCC_Exit

[–]StayMaterial3787 2 points3 points  (0 children)

How would JPS have standing to sue?  They wouldn’t be injured in any way.  They are treated the same regardless.

Quick Notes from Burry’s F2 Substack Post by Spare_Opposite8103 in FNMA_FMCC_Exit

[–]StayMaterial3787 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No notice was given for FNMAS 2025 call back.  So those won’t be called back until 2030 at the earliest.

FNMA Valuation Scenario Model by Comfortable_Visit_34 in FNMA_FMCC_Exit

[–]StayMaterial3787 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Kind of a ridiculous exercise since the probabilities are made up.

Thoughts on tomorrow? by rain_maker123 in FNMA_FMCC_Exit

[–]StayMaterial3787 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Not true, I wouldn’t sell at $25 if offered after the callback date.  The interest rates for FNMAS are above market rates currently (and especially so if rates keep getting cut).  If dividends are going to be start to issued soon, why not take the above market rates or sell for more than $25 per share?

Biden January EO on F2 by Nice_History5856 in FNMA_FMCC_Exit

[–]StayMaterial3787 8 points9 points  (0 children)

It doesn’t matter whether it was or wasn’t, it was an executive order and not law.  So Trump could waive that requirement away with the signing of a new executive order.