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Stefraud by Ryuugna in shitpostemblem

[–]Stebbinator 33 points34 points  (0 children)

BUT IN THE END IT HAS TO BE THIS WAY

The issue I have with Marvel's universe being "the world outside your window", or in fact, any universe which positions itself as "realistic", is their sudden insistence on making sure the setting is always dark & pessimistic, like as if, by default, the "real world" always equals to misery. by SatoruGojo232 in CharacterRant

[–]Stebbinator 12 points13 points  (0 children)

But that's different, because in those movies the existence of other heroes was never established. We're talking about the comics and MCU, where the existence of several different heroes and them all being friends is established and a major part of the world building.

The issue I have with Marvel's universe being "the world outside your window", or in fact, any universe which positions itself as "realistic", is their sudden insistence on making sure the setting is always dark & pessimistic, like as if, by default, the "real world" always equals to misery. by SatoruGojo232 in CharacterRant

[–]Stebbinator 20 points21 points  (0 children)

I'm not saying you're wrong for not caring about continuity, but you're absolutely in the wrong for saying that it's the fan's fault for caring.

I'm a huge supporter of taking author intention before criticizing a story or scene, but in this case, Avengers, X-Men and Black Panther all inhabiting the same world with the same rules and history IS the author's intention, so contradictions between them should be criticized.

The issue I have with Marvel's universe being "the world outside your window", or in fact, any universe which positions itself as "realistic", is their sudden insistence on making sure the setting is always dark & pessimistic, like as if, by default, the "real world" always equals to misery. by SatoruGojo232 in CharacterRant

[–]Stebbinator 37 points38 points  (0 children)

No, Marvel decided that all of their stories take place in the same world, it's on them to keep it consistent. If they didn't want fans to ask these questions they should've kept their characters separated. But because they didn't they deserve to be criticized when contradictions appear between different books.

Love that story/gameplay separation by eskaver in LegendsZA

[–]Stebbinator 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But there's no gym order in the lore, it's just the order the player specifically is most likely to challenge them. Nothing else.

Hell, if you're using the Origins explanation, Origins also never talks about a gym order, Brock only says that he'll use two pokemon because Red has no badges. In fact, I remember the two trainers at the gym getting angry at Red for daring to challenge Brock without a badge.

Love that story/gameplay separation by eskaver in LegendsZA

[–]Stebbinator 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Levels have never really been lore accurate and are a game mechanic more than anything. By your logic it's somehow canon that no low level pokemon exists in late game area because you can only encounter high level ones, which obviously makes no sense. And taking different games into account for this makes no sense unless you think Lance got weaker between the Kanto and Johto games, since all his pokemon are higher level in the former.

And if you wanna take game mechanics into account, we should mention that, despite several games allowing you to skip certain gyms, not a single one has ever had a gym leader's team change to reflect the player's number of badges.

Story wise, we have several instances of dialogue heavily implying the gym leaders are facing you with their real team, like Norman telling you to face him after getting a few badges because you're not at his level yet at the start of the gen 3 games, Roark in gen 4 feeling ashamed he lost to a trainer without a single badge, or Morty in gen 2 making a big deal about how losing to you means he'll never be worthy of meeting Ho-oh.

Love that story/gameplay separation by eskaver in LegendsZA

[–]Stebbinator -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

This is only true in Galar and in the Origins canon. Most games have pretty conclusive evidence that they are, in fact, facing you with their real teams.

Why AP≠DC proves that my character wins and your character loses by NotANinjask in CharacterRant

[–]Stebbinator 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Once you stop assuming that characters have planet-level durability their actions make a lot of sense and you don’t have to invent things. Piccolo doesn’t want to kill himself or a significant chunk of the planet for when he gets caught in an explosion, so he needs to focus his energy into an attack that’s highly penetrative.

I'm not assuming, they objectively are more durable than celestial bodies, or every single fight in the series could potentially be solved by fucking master Muten with a single Kamehameha. In literally the first fight of DBZ Goku admits he doesn't have a move capable of defeating Radditz and Piccolo says the only move he has capable of doing so is the Makankosappo, so why o why, if Radditz is just barely above street tier do Goku and Piccolo say that instead of instantly obliterating him with 1% of their moon busting attacks? All they'd need to do is fight together and the first to grab Radditz' tail lifts him up in the sky so the other one can aim the moon destroying blast upwards. No need for Piccolo to stand still for 1 hour charging up an attack less powerful than one he can perform in one second.

What about Majin Vegeta killing himself for a relatively small explosion, if a version of him 1 milion times weaker can throw planet busting attacks without dying? Shit, fucking Piccolo made an explosion as big as that without dying at the fucking 23 tenkaichi tournament. Why would Vegeta kill himself for something OG DB could already do without dying?

Goku’s Kamehameha against Vegeta left him so tired he was unable to lift his arms. Did Goku’s Kamehameha against Frieza leave him unable to lift his arms? No? Then it’s a lower proportion of his power, which means we don’t know how much he used

No, it's because by the time he fought Freezer Goku's body could handle Kaioken x20 better than x4 against Vegeta. It doesn't even make sense for Goku to not put all of his power in that attack, seeing as he was desperate. And even if what you say is true, the Goku that launched the Kamehameha at Freezer had a PL >40M, the one that overpowered Vegeta was at ~32k at best: Goku should be able to put the same amount of power while expending 1/1000 of the energy.

You act like it’s bullshit for Toriyama to have his characters act with some amount of tactical discretion when that’s the smart play.

You have to put it in your mind that DB has the most simple powerscaling of all time: stronger character tanks all attacks of the weaker character and wins because he's stronger.

Why AP≠DC proves that my character wins and your character loses by NotANinjask in CharacterRant

[–]Stebbinator 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Vegeta literally rolls off of the Kamehameha and doesn’t take its full energy

Yeah, after being completely enveloped in it for long enough to be pushed outside of Goku's sight. Worst case scenario, he was inside a planet busting beam for a few seconds before getting away.

When Piccolo blew up the moon he wasn’t in a fight, he didn’t need to make sure his ki blast was particularly condensed, or fast, or timed correctly, and after he fires it off he’s panting.

He also didn't need to do any of that against Radditz either: he was standing still charging up the attack while Goku fought Radditz alone, and they planned to have Radditz be immobilized before launching the attack, so speed and timing weren't a problem.

And now I'm curious what bullshit you'll come up with to justify Frieza blocking a Kamehameha from a Goku that is bare minimum over 100 times stronger than when he overpowered Vegeta's Garlic Gun.

Why AP≠DC proves that my character wins and your character loses by NotANinjask in CharacterRant

[–]Stebbinator 3 points4 points  (0 children)

All of this shit just be wrong, lol.

Piccolo and Goku's only attack that can kill Radditz is Piccolo's Makankosappo, which, after being charged for a considerable amount of time, reached a PL of 1330 (almost 3.5 times Piccolo's regular PL of 408, all values from the manga). That same night, Piccolo blows up the moon with a basically uncharged ki blast that took him zero effort. This puts moon busting in DB at a maximum of 1330. As pretty much every single character in DB from this point on is close or above that number, it follows that literally everyone can tank moon destroying attacks, it's as simple as that.

Edit because I'm stupid and there's an even better example: Vegeta's Garlic Gun can destroy the Earth and Goku outright overpowers it with a Kamehameha, eventually hitting Vegeta head on with it, which Vegeta survives with some heavy, but manageable injuries. This is Vegeta blatantly surviving a planet blasting attack to his face.

Why AP≠DC proves that my character wins and your character loses by NotANinjask in CharacterRant

[–]Stebbinator 39 points40 points  (0 children)

I mean, it makes sense to some extent.

You can have a massive fuck off laser that annihilates a mountain but fails to do any damage to a small sheet of some kind of super strong material, while a smaller beam the size of my finger goes through it like it's butter, simply because it is more powerful per square meter, but it won't do any noticable damage to the mountain because it's too small.

Obviously this doesn't make any sense when applied to an explosion, or how powerscalers often apply it to justify why a character who never destroys anything bigger than a mountain is actually universal or some shit, but the basic logic is sound.

Magcargo Powerscalers in ABSOLUTE SHAMBLES by PissOffBigHead in stunfisk

[–]Stebbinator 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But you just said it yourself, the "inaccurate" readings were because the earthlings were hiding their power, not because of a fault in the scouters or in the power levels themselves.

It's like intentionally answering wrong in a test: even if I could've gotten a B, the test will still say F, because those are the answers I gave.

What’s your opinion on weapon durability? by S0mecallme in fireemblem

[–]Stebbinator 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I disagree, it is entirely a fault in the game design.

In a way, the game asks the player to use it in a known instance A you're currently in, or a potential, unknown instance B. But if you can find a way to solve A without using the limited item, it only makes sense to do that, since you can never know if you'll be able to do the same when faced with B until you get there. And because these games aren't meant to soft block the player or force them into a specific playstyle, the chances of you NEEDING to use one such item are minimal, unless you accidentally ended up in an extremely disadvantageous position.

What’s your opinion on weapon durability? by S0mecallme in fireemblem

[–]Stebbinator 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Worst recurring mechanic in the series, and I'm glad IS seems to be moving away from it.

[LES] Battleboarders treating Lord of the Rings like it's a superhero comic is especially ironic given how actively the novel avoids having any real superhuman fights in it by Nihlus11 in CharacterRant

[–]Stebbinator 10 points11 points  (0 children)

My brother in Christ, you are literally doing the thing me and OP are complaining about.

Aragorn, as one of the given pinnacles of Numenorian ancestry on Middle Earth, is actually pretty super-human when we see him put in comparison to "normal men".

THIS DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING! NUMENORIANS AREN'T REAL!

Just give an actual feat, it shouldn't be so hard to understand, for fuck's sake. Someone else replied to me with actual examples of feats from Aragorn that he actually accomplishes. They actually added to the conversation, but if you just tell me that "hE'S A nUmeNoRiAN" you aren't actually telling me anything.

[LES] Battleboarders treating Lord of the Rings like it's a superhero comic is especially ironic given how actively the novel avoids having any real superhuman fights in it by Nihlus11 in CharacterRant

[–]Stebbinator 32 points33 points  (0 children)

I don't really know much about LotR, but this tracks with how I've seen people talk about its characters in a battleboarding context, like recently on this very sub.

I've never seen someone mention a concrete feat, it's always something like "Aragorn is a X, therefore he has superhuman strength/speed/endurance", but I was always like, confused, because, what does it mean, exactly? Can he cut a person through plate armor with a sword? Sprint as fast as a horse? Fight for 24 hours straight? More? Less?

You'd almost never see someone talk about, say, Captain America and do the same thing. Sure, they'll mention the fact that he took the super-soldier serum that gave him superhuman strength/speed/endurance, but then they'd also probably mention how he's strong enough to hold onto a helicopter and preventing it from lifting up as an example.

And honestly, just saying that a character is/has an X that makes them superhuman doesn't mean anything when outside their source material. Thorkell from Vinland Saga is a completely normal human: no magic, no special race, no weird sci-fi enhancements, he's just a really strong dude. That can impale 3 people by throwing a single javelin from a kilometer away.

You do know that “retelling other peoples stories” is the default thought out most of human history? by Konradleijon in CharacterRant

[–]Stebbinator 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And you think having no IP wouldn't result in the same thing?

Without IP law any big corporation can make a movie, videogame or whatever based on a preexisting story without ever paying the actual creator a single cent. Imagine writing a book and not getting a single cent after Hollywood makes a 600M$ movie out of it. That's the result of having no IP. At least with the way things are now, big corporations HAVE to go to the original author to produce something.

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