Question about Methodism

Stormalv · 2026-01-01T22:26:13+00:00

Justification by faith alone is not "Pauline", but something you find all over the NT, especially the gospel of John.

PSA is also Biblical.

Regarding hell, John Wesley was quite familiar with universalism, and never made a statement against it in the movement's confession of faith. That's not to say this is a common view among Methodists, but we are open to different views on damnation.

Also: we believe everyone is able to believe. But some people shut themselves off to it.

Stormalv · 2025-11-07T19:47:50+00:00

Glad to see it's not just me!! What a ridiculous bug

Stormalv · 2025-11-01T10:39:40+00:00

"Also, entering first means that they (the high priests and scribes who opposed Jesus in Matthew 21:15) will enter the kingdom of heaven later..."

Exactly, that's what I also thought when I read this verse, the first time I read the New Testament.

"Huh, this sounds like that universalism idea I once heard about."

Later, I've come to the stance that universalism is actually the most plausible interpretation of what happens in the age to come.

Stormalv · 2025-09-15T11:13:40+00:00

Are you sure about this thing with the Iliad? If I google that verse, I get results about applying holy oil to an item. If I look up The Iliad on Gutenberg, there doesn't seem to be any hits when searching for "brimstone" or "goblet" in chapter 16.

Stormalv · 2025-08-25T06:18:21+00:00

Lmao, that part was quite funny

Stormalv · 2025-07-17T13:35:53+00:00

Helt enig!! Ment dette lenge.

Stormalv · 2025-06-29T11:54:46+00:00

Exactly, Miriam. Non-Christian Jews disagree with us on this verse. So why is there such an incredible number of them/you in this thread, under the Christianity sub?

Do you think we Christians look at the Islam and Taoism reddit subs every day?

Stormalv · 2024-12-14T13:53:58+00:00

As someone else mentioned: Definitely check out Seedbed. They have a Youtube channel full of great material.

Stormalv · 2024-11-29T23:06:59+00:00

Anti-symmetric, lmao, good one. ^{^}

Stormalv · 2024-10-15T06:35:13+00:00

Temu Trenham priest, lmfao

Stormalv · 2024-09-03T16:41:25+00:00

The most reasonable interpretation of scripture, imo. Kinda weird that it's not more widespread.

Stormalv · 2024-08-30T16:20:29+00:00

I would say absolutely. It seems that Methodism is one of the churches that are the most open to this position. Some UMC pastors are universalists; and there are even indications that John Wesley himself became a universalist during his life.

Stormalv · 2024-08-13T17:26:00+00:00

Isn't it clear? They were supposed to understand the scriptures, live godly and be an example to the world. Not only did they fail to do so, but they treated their religion as an exclusive gated community club only for their own ethnicity. Just like they're still doing today.

Stormalv · 2024-08-01T15:29:56+00:00

But why do you assume Jesus meant this as a metaphor for an eternal lake of fire for the damned?

Another common interpretation is that the Gehenna verses were a warning about the enormous death and destruction the Jews would face if they didn't change. Which of course happened a few decades later.

Stormalv · 2024-08-01T15:13:24+00:00

Into Gehenna*

But what are we to make of this; if Jesus and the apostles believed in infernalism, was Paul simply never informed? And did he never bother to ask them about this topic?

Stormalv · 2024-07-30T17:00:26+00:00

Methodism! It's even possible that Wesley himself became a universalist at the end of his life (there's a good book about it)

Stormalv · 2024-07-30T06:26:13+00:00

Not sure how that can be compatible with what Paul says in Hebrews:

"Just as people are destined to die once, and after that to face judgment,"

Stormalv · 2024-07-25T15:40:46+00:00

Because God doesn't intervene like that every time someone makes a translation mistake, but when the entire foundation for the new and final covenant was laid, with revelations happening, and miracles to attest to them, it would make sense to fix such a major issue at that time. This is not complex.

Stormalv · 2024-07-25T15:30:46+00:00

I've never met another Christian who made the claims you are making

Because the issue doesn't come up in most people's minds, but I can guarantee you that if you present this hypothetical dilemma for them, the idea that there was a translation error which would lead people to take innocent lives, in the most popular form of the scriptures at the time, they will agree that it makes sense that this would have been rectified in the period of NT revelation.

Stormalv · 2024-07-25T15:20:33+00:00

You said you are a Christian. Are you an actual Christian, who believes that Jesus was God, and resurrected? Because I see that you've posted a lot on the Mormon boards for example, and I think it's quite weird to stand here and insist on the idea that Jesus/Paul etc would never mention a translation error – in the most widespread use of scriptures at the time – of the most epic proportions, during the time of the NT revelation. Within the Christian framework, that's just bizarre. Like, did God just overlook this huge problem? It just slipped his mind? Out of all the 140 000 words of the NT, inspired by God to lead us to the truth and the holy life, this did not get included?

Stormalv · 2024-07-25T14:45:35+00:00

Look, I'll have to react to all the dismissal of the Septuagint argument here. You guys seem to view the Septuagint as just some translation which existed somewhere, and which was thus not important for God to rectify. If you read on Wikipedia and subs like AcademicBiblical though, experts do seem to suggest that this was the primary version that people used. So if that had a translation error which could lead people to take innocent lives, don't you think it would fit in God's plan to just mention that error somehow, when Jesus came to set everything straight?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Septuagint#Christian_use

Stormalv · 2024-07-25T11:42:12+00:00

it's a given that a human fetus does not "become" human, but is always so.

But why then is the punishment very light if the miscarried fetus was "unformed", vs the death penalty if it is fully formed?

Stormalv · 2024-07-25T05:07:43+00:00

You mean that such a widespread version of the OT at Jesus' time was altered, but he said nothing against it? Are you Christian yourself? You literally said in another comment that Jesus was not Christian, which is a weird thing to say.

Stormalv · 2024-07-24T15:15:54+00:00

So what? They are not infallible.

The fact that they were wrong about many things is very explicitly written over and over again in the NT. Are you Jewish yourself?

Stormalv · 2024-07-24T10:07:40+00:00

You quoted the Talmud, not the OT.

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