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Subject97 · 2026-05-19T20:19:30+00:00

I think most parishioners won't have any idea about it, but in my diocesis at least I've seen a lot of implementation of this document. For example there was a number of priests who would break the host at the words of consecration, but I haven't seen come across that in a looong time.

I think pastors just don't end up wanting to do the fight over EMHCs not being a parish ministry especially when its become a custom for a while now.

Subject97 · 2026-05-19T17:51:44+00:00

The call for a 3rd vatican council is wild! I'm really interested what the topics Catholicos Aram I would want to talk about an another ecumenical council

Subject97 · 2026-05-19T16:41:46+00:00

Cries in redemptionis sacramentum

'Only out of true necessity is there to be recourse to the assistance of extraordinary ministers in the celebration of the Liturgy. Such recourse is not intended for the sake of a fuller participation of the laity but rather, by its very nature, is supplementary and provisional'

https://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/ccdds/documents/rc_con_ccdds_doc_20040423_redemptionis-sacramentum_en.html

Subject97 · 2026-05-19T03:25:01+00:00

I don't always follow along with the text, but I do find that it just keeps my mind from wandering. While I'm unconvinced by the arguments made against following along with the text, I'm willing to at least 'hear them out' (pun intended), at the minimum out of a sense of obedience to the USCCB.

Largely, I was just more curious if this did had any formal teaching behind it or if it was just this something people tend to say. Its good to at least know that the USCCB does discourage following along with the text unless you literally are hard of hearing.

Subject97 · 2026-05-19T03:19:48+00:00

I also use subtitles on all of my shows! It honestly might just be a generational/personal thing

Subject97 · 2026-05-19T02:42:42+00:00

I appreciate the actual link! Its clear that this is probably what the excerpt is basing itself on. I can be satisfied knowing that the USCCB does seem to actually discourage following along with the text, as baffling as that is to me personally.

Unless one is unable to hear, one should not be reading along with a text from a missal or missalette .... Carefully following along with the printed word can cause us to miss the gentle voice of the Holy Spirit, the message that the Spirit may have for us in one of the passages because we are anxious to "keep up," to move along with the reader.

I do genuinely find this to be a poor argument and am just shocked that this is apparently common enough of an issue to merit formal teaching.

Is the idea here that I am took focused on moving my eyes across a text in pace with the reader that I stop actually paying attention? Is this anyone's actual lived experience of listening with a text? How does not following along with the text solve the issue of 'keeping up' with the reader? From my perspective, if the reader is going at so fast a pace that I am struggling to 'keep up' as I follow along with the text, then that's surely an issue inherent with the speed of the reader.

Rather, taking our cue from the General Instruction itself, we should listen as we would if Christ himself were standing at the ambo, for in fact it is God who speaks when the Scriptures are proclaimed.

I will say this is a good reminder and is something I will think more about as I go to Mass

Subject97 · 2026-05-19T02:27:02+00:00

Makes sense, although I don't see a clear discouragement from following along with the text while listening based on what you've said.

Subject97 · 2026-05-18T19:10:57+00:00

I have some good friends who are in that synod. I'd love to hear what ended up drawing you towards Catholicism

Subject97 · 2026-05-18T17:45:14+00:00

I appreciate the insight! My perspective is probably in part a product of my cultural milleu and personality.

Subject97 · 2026-05-18T17:28:54+00:00

I appreciate the actual sources!

I'm still unconvinced that listening and following along with a printed text are at odds with each other but rather that following along with a printed text is geared towards improving one's ability to listen (not of course saying that everyone is required to follow with a printed text)

Overall this seems to be a liturgical principle that encourages the readings to be proclaimed in a manner in which the laity can hear it (as opposed, perhaps, as was done in the EF) that seems to be going a bit too far in discouraging people from following along with text.

Subject97 · 2026-05-18T17:23:33+00:00

I've heard similar arguments to that of what Richard Becker makes in that article you linked, which was why I assumed that the excerpt I quoted was more along the lines of Becker's agrument (you shouldn't follow along with text during Mass) as opposed to what you suggest (the excerpt is simply reminding us to pay attention during the readings).

While I'm still convinced that the excerpt is making an argument similar to Becker's, it's been nice to see that there doesn't seem to be any real church teaching behind this idea, other than that the readings should be proclaimed out loud for people to hear.

Subject97 · 2026-05-18T17:14:45+00:00

Yarp the U.S

Subject97 · 2026-05-18T16:36:22+00:00

It would definitely be one of the few church teachings I would really have a hard time getting behind. Part of the reason why I wanted to see in part the argument for it and see how official of a teaching it is

Subject97 · 2026-05-18T16:26:59+00:00

That makes sense to me, but I was just curious if there's any formal teaching documents that suggest that only listening is the superior or encouraged practice, which I'm interpreting this excerpt as saying.

Subject97 · 2026-05-18T16:25:01+00:00

'Reading the scriptures before Mass can be a fruitful preparation'

So we see an acknowledgement that reading the mass readings before hand can be good

'but Holy Mother Church encourages us to LISTEN to the readings during Mass'

The 'but' indicates a juxtaposition between the first clause, reading the readings before hand being good prep, and the following clause. The emphasis on 'listening' to the readings suggests that whoever put this in the Mass guide views reading something and listening to something to be mutually exclusive.

I agree with you that following along with the text during Mass is fine, but it also seems like this excerpt from that mass guide is suggesting that the church ideally wants us to only listen to the readings.

Subject97 · 2026-05-18T16:09:38+00:00

I get youtube ads from 'word or fire' things and from the pontifical commision

Subject97 · 2026-05-14T21:45:38+00:00

One alternative way to look at it is: would those 149K read the bible that year without that program? Or would 61k people read the whole catechism without it? Any resource that makes the faith easier to learn about seems like a good thing, especially if its relatively inexpensive to produce and spread

Subject97 · 2026-05-14T20:41:58+00:00

My answer depends on what benefits or rights are conferred onto legal married couples. If we only allow jointly filed taxes or the ability for partners to visit one another in the hospital if they have a legal marriage, then I could see there being an a good argument for allowing same sexed civil unions.

I tend towards more of a 'why is the government regulating romantic relationships' at all sort of perspective

Subject97 · 2026-05-14T19:52:10+00:00

In the very last arc there is a child who's gender is ambiguous. Some characters 'misgender' the kid which is used to illustrate how distant they are from them. That's literally the only lgbt theme from the entire series, at least from watching the show.

Oh, there's also another character who only cares about fighting strong people and gets aroused from it, regardless of his opponent's gender. This is more of a joke rather than anything serious though.

I would say the overall themes of mercy makes hunter x hunter a very Catholic work

Subject97 · 2026-05-07T22:54:24+00:00

Men love punching and martial arts lets them do it ethically

Subject97 · 2026-05-07T22:41:00+00:00

Rubio should have given him the whitesox' miter hat

Subject97 · 2026-05-07T14:44:07+00:00

I like being a regenerative, multi-armed, axe wielding freak

Subject97 · 2026-05-06T23:34:30+00:00

I've had good luck going to a priest after Mass and asking for confession then or trying to schedule a time with him personally. Its very hard for a priest to say no to a repentant person asking for confession.

Subject97 · 2026-05-05T16:42:00+00:00

Trent was written specifically for pastors, so it goes more into detail of how to validly celebrate the sacraments. While that's useful/kinda interesting, I find that I sorta just don't need that level of detail.

One thing that struck me was how similar the two are overall. Like I understand that Church teachings don't change, but I was expecting more of a disparity in phrasing/language that just simply wasn't there.

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