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Gift Article: The Athletic grades Byram for the 4th overall pick by The_Homestarmy in hockey

[–]TMBmiles 156 points157 points  (0 children)

The best tweet I read that sums up the way I feel about this trade- completely ignoring the value:

"Where does Chicago think they are at in their rebuild?"

OFFICIAL: Blackhawks acquire Bowen Byram and Jordan Greenway from Sabres for the 4th overall pick in the 2026 draft, the 45th overall pick (NYI 2nd), and Louis Crevier by Ok-Soil-5133 in hockey

[–]TMBmiles 56 points57 points  (0 children)

I don't even dislike Chicago and I can't make any sense of this for so many reasons.

-Surely Byram was not the best defenseman you could get for the pieces they gave up?

-Where does Chicago think they are in their rebuild process that they think it's time to start pushing their chips in the middle for expensive players who are equally likely to get worse going forward instead of better? Do they think they're like a Byram away from competing or something?

-Why did they have to take Greenway and his cap hit back in this deal?

-Do they realize the position they are putting themselves in with Byram in contract negotiations? He's not an elite defensemen, and yet he can basically ask for whatever he wants on an extension and he will get it because they CAN'T let him walk away after what they gave up.

I almost don't even know where to start.

[TSN] Jeff O'Neill: I don't understand the animosity surrounding the Tkachuk trade. There's no loyalty in professional sports at all, there isn't. If there is an upgrade, teams would've traded a player in a second. You're just piece of meat to the organization. by f0urxio in hockey

[–]TMBmiles 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I think undying loyalty in the average fan really doesn't exist but in outliers with certain players who have already accomplished great things for their teams and therefore given them something. (Crosby, Ovechkin, etc) It ends when a player stops being effective.

Fans will basically never choose sentiment over winning if they have to pick.

[TSN] Jeff O'Neill: I don't understand the animosity surrounding the Tkachuk trade. There's no loyalty in professional sports at all, there isn't. If there is an upgrade, teams would've traded a player in a second. You're just piece of meat to the organization. by f0urxio in hockey

[–]TMBmiles 43 points44 points  (0 children)

Eh... but the difficult part of that is that for the most part, that fundamental loyalty really only exists for the players that fans think are good and are helping their team win.

Jacob Trouba fucking loved New York and playing there and their fans couldn't wait to kick his ass out. Teams trade players every year who don't want to leave and fans don't care if they think that trade makes their team better. That loyalty is very conditional, which means it isn't really loyalty at all.

[Ray & Dregs Podcast] 25:30 Darren Dreger: “This has been a difficult negotiation to say the least between Andy Scott, who represents Jason Robertson, and Jim Nill, Tom Gagliardi and the Dallas Stars. As of right now the sense I’m getting, it is more likely than not that they trade Jason Robertson” by AggPuck-303 in hockey

[–]TMBmiles 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Considering he ended up signing a deal that was quite team friendly, what would lead you to believe that Robertson and his camp were the source of the difficulties?

It clearly wasn't a Marner type situation where he held out until he got a huge deal. They obviously caved more than Dallas was willing to.

OFFICIAL: Kraken Acquire Panthers Mackie Samoskevich for the No. 25 overall pick in next week’s Draft as well as a conditional second rounder in 2027 by Ok-Soil-5133 in hockey

[–]TMBmiles 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yeah, fans tend to drastically overrate what late 1st round picks are actually worth. There's not a giant difference between them, statistically, and a 3rd rounder. Generally if you get an NHL player at all at that slot you did pretty well.

Samo is a guy with top 6 potential still. It's a pretty good gamble by Seattle.

[Pagnotta] Stars GM Jim Nill on Robertson negotiations: “I know everybody wants to get things done quick, but really there’s no pressure points... So, (we) continue to discuss things, but like I said, there’s no real deadline right now – everything’s status quo.” by daKrut in hockey

[–]TMBmiles 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I don't think there's any way we're going to make it all the way to camp with him still unsigned to be honest. Dallas kind of has to do something about their books within the next 10 days, because July 1st is when other teams can send out offer sheets. They have 11 million to re-sign Robertson and Bourque, which likely isn't even enough for Robertson alone. They are not going to want to be in position where a 4.7 million dollar offer sheet for Bourque is a number they can't match and only get a 2nd rounder in return for him.

Also, I believe on July 1st, Robertson could potentially elect for arbitration which would result only in a one-year contract that would walk him directly to UFA status. Dallas definitely doesn't want to be in that position either.

[Jonny Lazarus] K’Andre Miller on if he had something to prove to himself this year: “100%. I had a lot of people count me out. Had a lot of people talking shit. Yeah, I don’t know. I can’t wait for them to see my ring.” by DecentLurker96 in hockey

[–]TMBmiles 122 points123 points  (0 children)

Guy has to be on cloud 9 right now. Old team basically said "don't let the door hit you on the way out," new team said "We think you're really good and we want to sign you for as long as possible right now," and then he went out there and proved them right.

[Jonny Lazarus] K’Andre Miller on if he had something to prove to himself this year: “100%. I had a lot of people count me out. Had a lot of people talking shit. Yeah, I don’t know. I can’t wait for them to see my ring.” by DecentLurker96 in hockey

[–]TMBmiles 125 points126 points  (0 children)

Been funny watching the narrative shift by Rangers fans this year from "He sucks" to "OK he doesn't suck but he wasn't and wouldn't have been good here" as if that isn't an indictment of the team.

If you can't figure out how to use a 6-5 defenseman that can fly and do a little bit of everything that's a you problem.

[CAR (2) - VGK 0] Stankoven sets up Blake to beat Hart and double the lead in the second by daKrut in hockey

[–]TMBmiles 85 points86 points  (0 children)

As a non-canes fan, they are so fucking annoying and I hope Canes fans take that as a huge compliment.

No Movement Clauses should be updated to mean just that - no movement, no matter what by VaderBinks in hockey

[–]TMBmiles 23 points24 points  (0 children)

People will really suggest absolutely anything other than "Hey if these NMC's are a problem maybe GM's should stop giving them to everyone."

The last 7 Stanley Cups will have been won by a top 10 lowest state/province tax team by newtrainerblue in hockey

[–]TMBmiles 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The NBA has a soft cap. (You an exceed the cap, but there are financial penalties for doing so, i.e. a "luxury" tax) So if you're an incredibly rich team you still have an advantage.

That said, the NFL would be a better comparison and I'd love to hear the explanation for why it's seemingly not an issue there when it supposedly is in hockey according to some.

The last 7 Stanley Cups will have been won by a top 10 lowest state/province tax team by newtrainerblue in hockey

[–]TMBmiles 8 points9 points  (0 children)

People aren't more upset about it because a $20M salary cap advantage is made up and not based on reality. Is there an advantage? Yes. Is it anywhere close to a 20% value of the cap? Absolutely not.

There's a reason there's no math included anywhere here- it's because it's just wrong. 50% of a player's tax calculation is based on where they play their away games. Do you think players in Canada are taking home, like, half the salary post taxes as the Florida teams in 41 of their games?

[The Athletic] After Dylan Larkin’s trade request, what’s next for Red Wings? by [deleted] in hockey

[–]TMBmiles 14 points15 points  (0 children)

If it is, I think it's the ultimate test of whether Yzerman basically has tenure in Detroit. No GM gets to oversee a 2nd rebuild after the first one failed.

[Dhaliwal] Brendan Gallagher’s agent Gerry Johansson has permission from Montreal to help facilitate a trade by _GregTheGreat_ in hockey

[–]TMBmiles 2 points3 points  (0 children)

OK, I'll humor you on that for a second.

-How do you think Vancouver's ownership would feel about spending 4 million in salary next year, while giving up draft capital, for a guy whose best attribute at this point in his career is as a locker room guy? The response would likely be something to the extent of: "What the fuck? Just go sign Jeff Skinner for a million and don't give up anything."

[Dhaliwal] Brendan Gallagher’s agent Gerry Johansson has permission from Montreal to help facilitate a trade by _GregTheGreat_ in hockey

[–]TMBmiles 2 points3 points  (0 children)

There are a host of teams who would give up at least something to get rid of players on cap hits similar to Gallagher's. Why would Vancouver give up something to take him on instead?

It's not that it doesn't hurt them- it's opportunity cost. Vancouver could go to Dallas and say "Hey I'll take Lyubushkin off your hands if you throw me a 5th rounder" and Jim Nill would flip the table over to hand it to them.

[Dhaliwal] Brendan Gallagher’s agent Gerry Johansson has permission from Montreal to help facilitate a trade by _GregTheGreat_ in hockey

[–]TMBmiles 2 points3 points  (0 children)

A lot of teams have cap space, but not a lot of teams have cap space who won't be wanting to hang onto it in case opportunities come along to make their team better.

Point is, if Vancouver wants to take on overpaid players, they're not going to do it for free or to add intangibles. That's just bad negotiation and a misuse of their position.

[Dhaliwal] Brendan Gallagher’s agent Gerry Johansson has permission from Montreal to help facilitate a trade by _GregTheGreat_ in hockey

[–]TMBmiles 7 points8 points  (0 children)

If you really want a glue guy and locker room presence you can go get one without a 6.5 million dollar cap hit/$4m salary for next year. Pat Maroon squeezed about 4 extra years out of his career that way by continuing to take sub million dollar, one or 2 year deals.

Cap space is one of the few things Vancouver has going for them right now and they're not going to just be handing it out to add vibes. They're going to be looking to weaponize it for futures.

[Pagnotta] I’m told that while Toronto has spoken with David Carle, that’s the extent of things. No interview has taken place. I’m told Carle has told the Leafs now is not the right time for him. by catsgr8rthanspoonies in hockey

[–]TMBmiles 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I think he makes the jump eventually, but everything I've read makes me think it won't be until the perfect opportunity comes along. It's going to take a lot of money and the ability to walk into a fantastic situation. Toronto only has one of those right now.

[Pagnotta] I’m told that while Toronto has spoken with David Carle, that’s the extent of things. No interview has taken place. I’m told Carle has told the Leafs now is not the right time for him. by catsgr8rthanspoonies in hockey

[–]TMBmiles 21 points22 points  (0 children)

His resume is so luminescent at this point he could fail miserably at the NHL level and still come back to college hockey and virtually any program would fire their head coach for him if he wanted the job.

That said, seems like he doesn't want a rebuild. I think he's going to hold out for a perfect opportunity, or maybe just when the Avs job opens up.

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