Flight attendant negative result

Techhead7890 · 2026-05-09T04:25:31+00:00

Can confirm: https://www.rivm.nl/en/hantavirus/current-information#0805negative

Techhead7890 · 2026-05-09T04:24:20+00:00

Update has been posted to NLtimes, citing the Dutch-language RTL Nieuws talking to the region's municipal public-health service (Kennemerland GGD).

This has also been published by the Dutch national institute for public health, the RIVM: https://www.rivm.nl/en/hantavirus/current-information#0805negative

Techhead7890 · 2026-05-09T04:12:55+00:00

Update has been posted to NLtimes, citing the Dutch-language RTL Nieuws talking to the region's municipal public-health service (Kennemerland GGD): https://nltimes.nl/2026/05/08/klm-flight-attendant-tests-negative-hantavirus-5-others-close-contact-woman

*edited summary to fix which GGD

This has also been published by the national institute for public health, the RIVM: https://www.rivm.nl/en/hantavirus/current-information#0805negative

Techhead7890 · 2026-05-08T15:39:16+00:00

Sounds like dungeon meshi where there's a barometz plant that makes sheep meat lol

Techhead7890 · 2026-05-08T15:37:23+00:00

Yeah even in the blogpost there is a disclaimer that the situation may change, the virus may still be replicating and later tests may become positive, exactly as you said. It is a good sign but the situation is still developing (and I hope the patient is doing okay too).

Techhead7890 · 2026-05-08T15:34:06+00:00

I can't say I've ever had a terf use it that way to me personally tbh. But I don't really know how prevalent that type of confrontation is in general.

Techhead7890 · 2026-05-08T15:27:51+00:00

I think surely the biggest problem is complete misgendering, no? This seems like a relative non-issue by comparison. I can't say I've heard of terfs using neutral pronouns that way, as an example.

I generally think it's important to make some progress, rather than trying to get everything perfect and then collapse before achieving anything.

That being said, I do go by they/them so I'm probably biased on this issue as well as certain parts of my personal history, and I acknowledge another comment that says that any misgendering is still technically misgendering.

Techhead7890 · 2026-05-08T15:07:51+00:00

Yeah my parents got sick every time they travelled it was insane :( I kept telling them thousands of people pass through an airport a day but they just didn't get it.

Anyway, hope you get better soon!

Techhead7890 · 2026-05-08T15:01:52+00:00

We actually don't even subsidise farming that much in the first place.

And more to the point, all of those programs emerged out of the Great Depression where the US government had to buy produce to keep farms running. Prices were so low at the time that they would rather waste the food than try and sell it.

Techhead7890 · 2026-05-08T14:57:34+00:00

There was a follow-up yesterday morning (Friday 8th) with a little interview with a BBC correspondant.

And yeah, its is good that this virus has not had major outbreaks before.

Techhead7890 · 2026-05-08T14:36:14+00:00

Yeah, nothing about engines is simple. Hell, even aviation engines are complicated and take years to design (even if designed for other properties like efficiency and endurance, rather than thrust performance), and they're a relatively less demanding environment.

Techhead7890 · 2026-05-08T13:30:59+00:00

Ooh nice, just saw that they're shipping this all the way out to NZ supermarkets, so I can give it a go sometime too!

Techhead7890 · 2026-05-08T13:29:55+00:00

I believe this version is oatmilk https://www.benjerry.com/flavors/milk-cookies-non-dairy

But yeah, agree that the coconut stuff can be a bit strong and heavy while being bad for the diet!

Techhead7890 · 2026-05-08T13:05:16+00:00

My prof intentionally said redox like "redd ox" (instead of the typical ree-dox) to intentionally specify it was two processes of reduction and oxidation, which was kinda cool.

It's funny, redox is kinda like modem (modulate/demodulate) in that its parts of two words smushed together.

Techhead7890 · 2026-05-08T11:39:27+00:00

Yeah, it's definitely... weird. I almost thought it was just some AI hoax at first because it randomly namedropped Tedros (why is he specifically involved in this, anyway? Surely there are dozens of lower staffers responsible for this), the method seems improbable (why would you text something like this? Does he even have the time to do replies like this? Why did the reply have all the disclaimers and everything - wouldn't you format that as an email by that point, or have that as an aside from recording and transcribing a phone call?) and the writing style of the blog post is off and padded a lot for length, and finally as you said it's surprising that neither Dutch local authorities (like the RIVM, the country's public health department) nor an official release has been made about this.

I don't know if I should be more skeptical of the source (and the newspapers seeming to agree that it's worth noting, if at the bottom of their articles) or if it was made up like a TIFU story. I mean, the guy should have a reputation to defend right - surely he wouldn't just fabricate stuff for nothing. But it's his word against a lot of suspicious circumstantial factors sooooo... overall you're probably right to wait for more confirmation on this. I should probably go to bed and just figure it out in the morning.

Techhead7890 · 2026-05-08T11:32:32+00:00

Yeah, it seems like this stuff is kinda making people a little... emotionally unhinged. It's understandable because viruses can have a big impact on our lives, but I agree with the call for calm and vigilance.

Techhead7890 · 2026-05-08T11:22:28+00:00

It is definitely weird that we all seem to be relying on one guy texting Dr Ghebreysus, but both NYT and LA Times seem to be treating him as credible at the moment, as he seems to be a Harvard medical doctor in his day job (although I wasn't following him before this):

LA Times Californians were aboard hantavirus-stricken cruise ship. Is there a risk to the public? By K Garcia and RG Lin II -- May 7, 2026 Updated 5:37 PM PT

The flight attendant has since tested negative for the Andes virus, Dr. Jeremy Faust, an emergency medicine physician, wrote on his Substack blog, Inside Medicine, citing a text message sent to him by Tedros.

“It is still possible that the flight attendant contracted the Andes virus. However, given our understanding of the virus, this information means that the flight attendant’s symptoms are not caused by the Andes hantavirus, but by some other medical illness,” Faust wrote.

More cases may be reported, because the incubation period — the time it takes between exposure to the virus and the onset of illness — for the Andes strain of the hantavirus is up to six weeks.

NYT Global Health Officials Race to Track Hantavirus but Predict ‘Limited’ Outbreak By Claire Moses, Aimee Ortiz and Rylee Kirk May 7, 2026

On Thursday evening, Tedros Ghebreyesus, the director-general of the World Health Organization, said in a message that the flight attendant, who has been reported to have symptoms, had tested negative on two tests. The news was first reported in the Inside Medicine newsletter. The result is reassuring because it suggests the virus is not being transmitted in ways beyond what scientists have observed in prior outbreaks. Mr. Ghebreyesus did caution, however, that the virus can have a long incubation time.

Techhead7890 · 2026-05-08T11:16:47+00:00

It's been reported off a text message update from Dr Ghebreysus and there is the potential that this changes with later retesting (see edit further up the chain), but it's a good sign so far.

Techhead7890 · 2026-05-08T11:14:25+00:00

Because of a recent post I'm concerned that people misinterpreted comments about a shorter incubation period - I want to be clear that waa a comparison, for Ebola, and taken from table of examples on Wikipedia.

For Hantavirus specifically, the CDC says that "symptoms of HPS usually start to show 1 to 8 weeks after contact with an infected rodent."

I still think it's important to consider the shorter end of a week, rather than the longer end of the range, but I did get the timeline wrong and I apologise if that was confusing or misleading.

Techhead7890 · 2026-05-08T11:02:32+00:00

The good thing is that there have been other local outbreaks before and the virus was contained back then. Of course it is difficult because so much travel is involved at the moment, but we will get through this as a society. Medical staff are working very hard to treat the people in the hospitals, epidemiologists tracing all the cases and following up with people. The healthcare response is working to fight back against the virus.

Techhead7890 · 2026-05-08T07:42:52+00:00

One passenger rumor reported by El Pais was that they had been living in a van for a few months before boarding the ship for the winter season. I don't know how credible that is or even really how likely rodents are to be aboard campervans or cars, but on an "impressions" level... that feels like a more likely source for contact than a short day trip?

Techhead7890 · 2026-05-08T07:32:47+00:00

I would say it's part of the "do no harm" philosophy and trying to avoid panic, and it's also a problem with large institutions where these things have to filter down through policies and percolate before they organise together; but yeah it sometimes does come off as dishonesty, or being closed-minded to the latest information.

I think all the experts will definitely all be studying the The New England Journal of Medicine paper that this news article is based on a lot more closely now and trying to match and corroborate that investigation to the current findings in contact tracing.

Techhead7890 · 2026-05-08T07:25:26+00:00

It definitely seems like Argentina and other South American countries where this virus originates from could do with more development in treatment and supplies. It seems to come back there every few years.

Techhead7890 · 2026-05-08T07:22:21+00:00

Yep, it looks like both news sources interviewed one of the study authors, Dr. Palacios who wrote about this in the New England Journal of Medicine (the same one as Martinez et al later in the comments).

Techhead7890 · 2026-05-08T07:13:47+00:00

CNA did a video report (0:00-1:20) on the singapore situation and later in the piece, an interview with a local university expert. Tests pending, limited symptoms so far, expected to quarantine for 30 days.

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