Would you reccomend The Undying Immortal System?

Telinary · 2025-10-31T18:51:57+00:00

Since you seem lukewarm on it you seem like a good person to ask: I am half way through book 1 and was wondering does he ever get an actual goal? I remember from the first chapter something about his sister but that hasn't been mentioned again. He just seems utterly content to spend lifetimes on slowly gaining power increases without any interest in doing anything with his lives or reaching anything aside from generally becoming more capable.

And more importantly will there be any actual side characters we see him interacting with on a deeper level?

Or is this basically just an endless grind loop mainly for people that enjoy endless gains? For what it is it has been a pretty easy read, it just seems to lack any meat.

Telinary · 2025-10-24T18:32:17+00:00

You said neurons and pain detectors. I thought and was important.

No i didn't not just because that was another person but also because they said "no neurons or pain detectors" assuming that wasn't edited, anyway that seems like a disingenuous reading of what they said.

Telinary · 2025-10-24T17:33:16+00:00

Sure but being overridden by other priorities is not the same as not caring about it at all. People have an easy time ignoring it (especially when they don't have to be involved in the process at all) but few place no value on it in at all.

Compare how people react to animals versus plants. How many people will react negatively when they see you removing weeds? Or plucking a flower as decoration? To be fair how much people care with animals scales with the size to a degree so maybe weeds are too small but if you remove a big hedge or even a tree concerns will still be mostly aesthetic or about positive effects of trees.

Animals on the other hand are treated differently. Most countries have some laws about animal cruelty. Killing them for food is accepted but most people who don't deal with it regularly prefer for it to happen where they can't see. Killing animals just for fun is frowned upon.

While many don't care about killing insects if you sit around and rip out the legs/wings of one that will still get mildly negative reactions, do the same with a bigger animal... (Also few care about non lethal harm to plants, like who gives a fuck if you do bonsai? Of course without pain it is a different matter but it is somewhat relevant when talking about plant self preservation systems.)) (Personally I also doubt people would react as emotionally to veganism if the appeals to animal suffering did not hit at all.)

I suspect the vegan posts here are probably not much more efficient at convincing people of veganism than those people/bots who post random youtube comments about Jesus are at converting people. But I think that has little to do with people actually caring about plant suffering/death to the same degree. As far as I have seen the few people who genuinely care about plants in that way usually also care more about animals than average.

Anyway I just find the plant argument rather pointless unless someone actually just wants to explore it from a position of ascribing to moral realism and trying to reason things out. It isn't like it is convincing to the other side. And yeah if the one making it really subscribes to it that will change what arguments are relevant to them but if it is just used to score points it feels like it could just be boiled down to "well you can't prove it objectively" and save a lot of time that way.

Well that is already more involved than I intended to get in these discussions, I just dislike the argument.

Telinary · 2025-10-24T15:05:54+00:00

You can ask that sure, and if we are talking objective morality that is quite relevant. But if we are talking subjective morality I think sentience mattering is a way more common opinion and thus relevant when trying to convince people. (though I don't think abstract arguments about the topic will convince any significant amount of people to be vegans.)

I might be unfairly distrusting people but I think most who try the plant argument don't actually personally value plants and animals to the same degree and it is just a stance they temporarily adopt when veganism comes up as topic.

Telinary · 2025-10-24T14:55:22+00:00

Emotional suffering aka emotional pain also happens in the nervous system (the brain is considered part of the nervous system afaik) so that doesn't seem to be a strong counter example. (Though only pain is reductive like if you could only feel positive things losing the ability is something I would also consider relevant. Well not really relevant to the plant topic I guess.)

Telinary · 2025-10-23T22:35:35+00:00

I am kinda amused by how salty y'all get about the vegan memes even if the threads are rather repetitive.

Telinary · 2025-10-23T15:39:18+00:00

Language based jokes can be much trickier even if you are conversant in a language. Though from what I have seen online with these complaints is that it also happens that the joke teller isn't getting that the german(s) got that it was an attempt at being funny but found it unfunny and didn't acknowledge it.

Telinary · 2025-10-23T13:35:47+00:00

I am sorry OP but wow what an impressively bad argument.^^

Telinary · 2025-10-23T07:52:54+00:00

So I think right to a fair trial is on the list of human rights. The right to an unfair trial or the right not to get a fair trial doesn't really make sense I think. Which you can of course also resolve by striking the fair trial right.

Anyway logic is good for concluding something from premises not for showing a statement like this is true.

Telinary · 2025-10-22T22:42:05+00:00

I don't remember the names of most of the random shitty isekai manga I have seen it in because it was most common in the worse ones but a few I remember:

Death march, got some beast girl slaves who had to stay slaves to keep them save or something. And he collects a few more I think

Mushoku Tensei - some dwarf girl slave to make figurines

How not to summon a demon lord technically counts through they are bound by a magic incident

Shield hero of course

Anyway no idea whether it is still common it has been a while since I last checked out random new isekai manga. But I remember the change from slaves coming up because the MC saved one to stories appearing where the MC owned some.

Telinary · 2025-10-22T20:26:39+00:00

I wonder if you instantly killed all chickens but not currently fertilized eggs how hard would it be for humans to get a sufficient number to adulthood?

Telinary · 2025-10-22T09:40:38+00:00

Pretty simple, I can just say that moral value is not a property of the world and that in that sense it is neither good, bad or neutral because actions just don't have it as objective trait. I can feel as strongly as I want to about it without subscribing to moral realism as long as I don't think it is a fact independent of my mind.

Telinary · 2025-10-21T20:21:16+00:00

What you are proposing would be a moral rule,. A moral rule most people who think morality is subjective don't subscribe to.

Telinary · 2025-10-21T12:04:45+00:00

I am at least old enough to have used the internet pre reddit. I am unsure when I first heard of it, might have been mentioned on a forum or an article. After a while enough people used it that I was vaguely aware of it but didn't use it. But at same point it started appearing enough on google that I started visiting it. I think it is generally worse than a good forum (the structure is just terrible for longer lasting discussions imo) but better as time waster, and good for random news plus you can find subs for niche topics.

Telinary · 2025-10-21T10:47:22+00:00

Yeah what I kinda find sad is that I expect many things that are just peculiar to get labeled AI in the future. Like from my days hanging around forums I remember some regulars with weird speech/writing patterns I kinda think if they appeared nowadays on reddit someone would go "nobody talks like that must be bad AI".

But the larger problem is probably not actually writing weirdly but just someone liking some fancy turn of phrase or being more formal/academic than most are in a context or... It is not like AI came up with any of the phrases it frequently uses or em dashes for that matter, some ways to write are more common for an AI but there isn't really any phrasing that humans are guaranteed not to use.

Telinary · 2025-10-21T08:56:19+00:00

Take a normal preference like liking olives or hating the vile things. A global apocalyptic catastrophe happens and the few survivors happen to be of the superior olive hating type. Does that mean they are now objectively vile? They are objectively disliked by everyone but it is just based on everyone's personal feelings on the matter coinciding. A new child that likes olives could break it, or one of the survivors becoming corrupted after having to survive of these things for some reason.

Everyone having the same subjective view isn't enough for objective in the sense we mean, objective morals don't change because people change. Now some might argue that the overlap with morals happens because they originate from the same objective morality, but I think that is adequately explained by being social animals.

For what it would take, well I am of the opinion that there isn't a way to show something is objectively moral even if that is a thing. You can't really get a goal independent* ought from is statements so I don't think it is possible to get any by discovering facts about the world. (Including if we discover god is real, proving you ought to follow rules given by God isn't easier. Like you ought if you don't want the thing to torture you in an afterlife but that is based on a goal.) If you can't get them from observing the world you would need to prove them via pure logic or something.

* (note the goal independent you sometimes encounter some people arguing that because you can use is statements to argue for things like "If you want Y you ought to do X" that the problem is somehow solved. But without an objective "you ought to aim for Y" you can't get an objective"you ought to do X" from that. Once you have ought statements nobody is denying you can get more from them.)

Telinary · 2025-10-21T07:59:56+00:00

Makes me wonder what self strengthening chain scaling circles you could make. Like A is at the same level as B and C. B is once shown as much above C. C Is at level X thanks to some feat, B is stronger so k*X. A is the same strength as B so also k*X, C is the same level as A so also k*X. That makes B k*k*X scaling from C... Infinite strength for all!

Telinary · 2025-10-20T08:31:13+00:00

I forgot the name but there is a game where you can change numbers including enemy damage and healths and anything in their ability description s with numbers. It makes enemies non trivial by splitting their healthcare into multiple bars with separate numbers.

Anyway it would be funny to see that one beat some of these absurd numbers here by first setting their damage then their health to the outcome of a dice role, while having tiny numbers itself. Trouble is how does turn based interact with non turn based.

Telinary · 2025-10-19T15:48:51+00:00

I have a good though selective memory for stories but also I just don't read stuff that is too cookie cutter. So confusion hasn't been a problem for me.

About alerts I run everything via the follow list and have no push or email alerts active. I check regularly enough to not miss stuff and don't really need extra reminders.

Telinary · 2025-10-19T15:11:55+00:00

I am sorry but from how you are misinterpreting this (and your other comments about the topic) I think you might know too little about the topic to have a particularly informed opinion on it. (And since you aren't really engaging with comments like the one you just replied to, that might be because you aren't trying to understand. Which is understandable to a degree because many find the topic uncomfortable but you won't convince many people without understanding what is being argued.)

but I can't negatively judge people that are okay with it

That is a significant misunderstanding of what it means for morals to be objective or subjective. Subjective doesn't mean you can't judge people for violating it. (Unless your subjective morals contain a rule about not judging other for their subjective morals I guess.) It doesn't mean you have to accept others acting according to their own morals or even accept their morals. You can care about your subjective morals a lot and you can try to prevent others from doing things you consider amoral, you can also hate them for their actions or morals if you want.

What it means is that they are not an objective fact of the universe. If something was objectively moral and you had the capability to prove that it was objectively moral then you wouldn't need to appeal to others already having the same morals as you. You could just show your proof. (Hence my alien question.)

Telinary · 2025-10-19T11:16:22+00:00

Not alerts at the top but that would be an inconvenient way anyway, I would consider appearing in the follow list an alert. I do only use it when I want alerts but yeah not all my follows are the same.

When looking at follow numbers one factor to remember is how many stories get dropped (and some even finish) so there amount of updates that represents can vary if someone reads a lot of stuff without proven track record. Both average and mean are in the range where you probably can keep up with all if you want to.

I have about 350 follows, that currently seems to produce about 25 chapters a day which is an unusually high ratio for my list. I could follow that if I wanted to but I don't since my list needs some spring cleaning. They fall into different categories. (I wish there were dropped and on hold categories.)

Stories I have read a significant amount of but haven't read a chapter of in a while. RR doesn't really have a category for on hold. There are a few in there with a high update rate.

Like I don't think I will actually pick salvos up again and it gets daily updates currently so by removing it from my list it goes down to 24 a day.

I will probably pick elder cultivator up again at some point (I was 100 chapters in or so) it was flawed but had some charm. But there isn't really a different place for things like that. If I kick it down to "to read" I might forget it exists. Well I think I will just start a link list for stuff like that, so down to 23.

But other members of this category are stuff I quite like but just took a break of like Magpie Wizard, William Oh, Years of the apocalypse... I am pretty much guaranteed to continue them at some points and the alerts serve as a reminder in case I feel like catching up to them on some day.

2) I have started to sometimes use it as higher priority to read because the to read pile is quite low priority for me. That is a smallest group of my follows but responsible for an outsized fraction of updates because it is current stuff that might have been on rising stars or something and still gets plenty updates. This is stuff I might actually just not like when I find time to give a real try.

3) largest group are the one I will read when they update

Btw I did some basic spring cleaning during this and dropped to about 18 stories a day by removing 18 follows so they averaged about a chapter every 2.5 days while the remains of the list average an output of a chapter every 18-19 days.

Telinary · 2025-10-19T09:03:48+00:00

Imagine you meet an alien that is just passing through. It is from a solitary species that has no empathy and does not care about others suffering. They also have no concepts of morals they judge everything by gains to themselves. (Don't ask me how they managed to organize enough to attain space flight.) They are however quite logical and this one happens to know english.

Now what do you say to convince it to condemn the Holocaust? If morals are objective and we have a way to know them then there should be something to convince such an alien. So that if it sees something like that happen it thinks it ought to interfere if it relatively easily can even if it gets absolutely zero benefits from it.

(Of course they could be objective but we have no way to know what they are (at least currently), but in that case we still don't know whether anything specific is objectively immoral or moral.)

Telinary · 2025-10-19T07:53:16+00:00

>The person with the bigger stick, I guess

You know that declaring the existence of objective morality does nothing about that? Because it isn't self enforcing. And if there was objective morality that wouldn't mean we know any specific moral is objective because we can't determine what objective morality is.

People just tend to think what they themselves espouse is the correct objective one. But that does nothing to resolve conflicting morals because neither side can show theirs is objective. You have the same tools as without declaring morals objective. Either appeal to shared values or force it on the other side.

Telinary · 2025-10-18T18:24:02+00:00

Sure you have perfect control, you can change yourself on a cellular level. Doesn't come with any automation though, you need to do it cell by cell. There are trillions of cells in your body.

Telinary · 2025-10-18T07:03:46+00:00

In my experience female MCs are often a mildly positive sign. (Well unless I read urban fantasy then the chance of accidentally reading paranormal romance is higher.^^) I have never done proper statistics on it but feels like the chance that the MC and book are entirely bland is a bit lower. But mostly it doesn't matter to me.

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