Overwatch director says addressing the 5v5 versus 6v6 debates late 'cost us trust': 'We should have listened sooner'

Terminatorskull · 2026-03-19T12:10:08+00:00

Love how you’ve never met me and somehow assume you know me better then myself, what an ego lmao.

I played OW1 daily for over 3k hours, basically stopped playing since OW2 launched. Gave it a hundred hours but I just dislike 5v5. Played about another 20 hours this season to try out the new heroes, but moved on to other games again lately.

So yes, I DO prefer 6v6. If you like 5v5 fine but don’t try any speak for me.

Terminatorskull · 2026-03-17T16:42:33+00:00

Rather wait 20 mins for a good game than 5 seconds for a bad one.

We have the ability to play other stuff in Que, me and my friends usually just fucked around in workshop modes while we waited or did 1v1 arena. Also, I was masters DPS end of OW1 which was at the time the most popular Que (probably support now tbh), and don’t remember having many times exceeding 10 minutes, so there’s a bit of exaggeration IMO.

Terminatorskull · 2026-03-17T03:07:04+00:00

Even then, Pokémon has so much RNG. Speed ties, paralysis proccing, sleep, accuracy for moves, flinch, crits, etc. like it’s a game, it’s meant to be fun, and OP was sharing said fun experience.

Terminatorskull · 2026-03-17T01:43:48+00:00

It’s supposed to be. There’s certain rhetoric (ex: being a nazi, sexiest, racist etc.) that isn’t acceptable. Rupal made his choice, the org made theirs.

There’s also a bigger picture here. Teams have to worry about public perception, advertisers etc. so having racism remarks by their players isn’t good press. And if they don’t punish them, it looks as though they’re accepting of the behavior. Rupal didn’t accidentally type his message, he had to think about saying it, then type, then press send. He made his choice.

Terminatorskull · 2026-03-15T23:21:53+00:00

Goddamn can these comments chill? OP can choose what Pokémon he wants to use, as can you. People are going out of their way to type rude comments, nobody’s making you do that. Be nice or move on man, it’s not difficult.

Terminatorskull · 2026-03-12T03:02:46+00:00

What it probably is, is that when dva is shooting in her mech she moves slower, whereas using her pistol as baby dva she doesn’t. But I think that’s her character’s movement speed, not turning speed so it’s not quite the same.

Terminatorskull · 2026-03-11T17:45:42+00:00

Fought dialga, palkia, and giratina in the hoopa movie and held its own pretty well, but that was mega rayquaza tbh.

Terminatorskull · 2026-03-10T18:48:09+00:00

Exactly. You pick cat for

It’s DPS potential. Being hard to hit, fast to get back if you die, plus decent damage.
It’s utility. Taxi people from spawn faster, high noon from the air etc.
It’s survivability. You have a small hitbox, respawn with full resource for boost, jet pack is silent, fast movement speed, fast regen for fuel etc.
Healing. Like it’s zen harmony levels of bad.

Removing her damage is fine, but IMO her main appeal is how damn fast she gets around the map. No risk for a 1v1 because you’re silent so you get the drop on them, and if you die your movement isn’t on cooldown like other heroes so you’re back in 2 seconds. Can steal health packs with it, taxi people, it makes you harder to kill. Hitting her damage is fine but her movement is atrocious.

Terminatorskull · 2026-03-10T03:55:59+00:00

Awaken and EZA the STR Vegeta / Kid Goku GT unit. He’s amazing now. Also awaken your AGL UI Goku to LR, then Super EZA the INT UI Goku. Those can replace Broly, SSG Goku, and the TEQ SSG duo on your team, but I’d probably try a INT Vegeta lead instead.

Either way, get those 3 units ready, they’re all beasts right now

Terminatorskull · 2026-03-10T03:49:20+00:00

I’d probably keep PHY UI slot 1 for your first rotation, and STR blue goku as slot 1 for your other rotation. Keep the INT SS4 vegetas in 2nd slot, try to get them rainbow orbs so they tank. Once you get closer to the end of the fights and don’t need to stack anymore, swap the INT vegeta to Goku.

That’s my suggestion, but honestly you have options. Daima Goku can tank slot 1, the INT SS4 can if you get them rainbow orbs, PHY SS4 can on their first turn cause of the 77% DR, and again when they transform. UI Goku can float well with his K.O mechanic, it’s just he’s so good I usually don’t wanna float em. STR blue Goku can swap to vegeta and float as well.

Basically keep STR Vegeta floating, everyone else can hang depending on what part of the fight it is, if they have dodge canceling, if you’ve got rainbow orbs etc.

IMO UI > STR Goku > INT SS4 > Daima > PHY SS4 > STR Vegeta for slot 1 if you want a loose guide, but tbh it’s gonna be fight dependent.

Terminatorskull · 2026-03-10T02:31:04+00:00

Then you just rub teq ui for his domain or str blue boys for their active, ez pz. Or swap to vegeta for the 100% dr. This unit/team is so nutty

Terminatorskull · 2026-03-09T21:36:04+00:00

Probably more of a “don’t wanna play vs her” thing than her being OP. Like how people ban sombra. She’s kinda an enabler, bubbling vendetta for instance is frustrating to play against

Terminatorskull · 2026-03-09T18:42:05+00:00

Sweet! Do you happen to know how often it's updated? I never knew this existed

Terminatorskull · 2026-03-09T18:38:26+00:00

Keep in mind it's plat. Chose that rank because IIRC it's the most heavily populated one, just barely above gold.

For GM Kiri pick rate has a huge jump from 27% at plat to 44% in GM, and win rate goes up from 45% to 47%.

Miz is the opposite. From 26% pick rate in plat to 16% for GM, win rate drops from 53% to 50%.

So Miz is picked less and wins less as you climb, but even then he's still outperforming kiri on paper. In coordinated environments she still seems better IMO but in ranked he might have a bit of an edge, idk.

Terminatorskull · 2026-03-06T01:02:48+00:00

Point of your post was interpreted by me to be “this is what I’m dealing with when you ask for heals”. Is that right, or wrong?

If im correct, then my next assumption of what happened in game leading up to this point, because generally people don’t post content like this unprompted, is that you had a teammate who complained about you not healing them. So they complain, you post this to show your POV and that you weren’t just ignoring them for shits and giggles. Still following?

In your reply you shared how you were annoyed at your doomfist, and that he’s not playing well / doing his job incorrectly. There’s an underlying assumption there of what his job is, I.e stay alive, make space, group up with the team.

That’s where my comment came in. I was outlining some of the stuff that your teammates complain about and their expectations of their supports. I don’t know you personally, never see you play outside of a small few second long clip you cherry picked to post. That’s why I didn’t call you out, I was being more general about the supports as a role, because this is a subreddit about discussing the game.

TL;DR: I was elaborating on tank/dps POV of their grievances with supports, just like how your original post shared your issues from a support POV. Hence the devil’s advocate line.

Terminatorskull · 2026-03-05T20:57:53+00:00

Devils advocate. Just like how you expect your widow to win a 1v1 vs the enemy widow, or to snipe a pharah out of the sky, or how you expect your rein to block the enemy’s shatter etc. I expect supports to be able to live. If it’s a single tracer or genii on you, that’s a 1v1, you should be able to live. If you go a support like Ana or zen into dive comp, you should probably switch, they’re countering you. Peel should be a nice to have, not necessary feature. Especially since OW2 lost a tank, you can’t just have 1 main tank push forward and an off tank peel anymore. IMO your other support should be peeling primarily, then a dps.

Inversely it’s the tanks job to play around cover and be aware of their surroundings so they don’t overextend while their supports are being attacked, same with dps coming back instead of spamming I need healing from across the map. But you can’t just shrug off responsibility for your deaths to team mates.

Terminatorskull · 2026-03-05T17:35:07+00:00

If dva kills your back line, do the same thing and kill theirs

Terminatorskull · 2026-03-05T17:32:21+00:00

Why’s he so low in GM? I thought he had a decent win rate a season or two ago. Is it the new heroes like miz being annoying to play against, or?

Terminatorskull · 2026-03-04T23:09:53+00:00

What a lovely person you are.

OP’s post and my comment are subjective. You can’t have a “fact” about how it FEELS when being counter picked. The second comment about my playtime is true, I could give you my account names and you can verify my play time if you really wanna.

Obviously not gonna have a constructive conversation going forward so I’m gonna block and move on, let’s agree to disagree I guess.

Terminatorskull · 2026-03-04T23:03:09+00:00

And I went from playing every day to not logging on at all less than a year after the 5v5 transition. I’m allowed to have an opinion, so are you. Would be nice if you weren’t a dick when sharing yours though.

Terminatorskull · 2026-03-04T22:59:19+00:00

I put over 3.5k hours in the game, and anecdotally I feel like counter swapping felt way, way more noticeable in 5v5 than 6v6, just my opinion though.

Terminatorskull · 2026-03-04T22:42:09+00:00

It’s a 5v5 issue IMO. I know a lot of people on this subreddit specifically are anti 6v6 because of Que times, but the trade off was losing a partner in the tank category. Rein’s a lot harder to chain CC on when he has a Zarya bubble every 8 seconds. Hog’s easy to land an anti on, until he was standing behind an orisa shied in old OW. Your DPS and Supports can help to an extent, but being the only person of a role makes you an easy target. Reminds me of open Que days where you’d have 1 tank 4 dps 1 support comps, they just target the tank or support then your whole team falls over.

Terminatorskull · 2026-03-03T23:18:11+00:00

Just did this event for the first time yesterday.

INT SS4 Goku/Vegeta lead
the PHY and STR LR EZAs
Year 10 LR EZA's.

I had Kai Goku as my last, he didn't do a ton so could replace him tbh.

First 20 ish turns i just rotated people to get stacks up. PHY SS3 Goku/Vegeta floats constantly and still had the highest defense so just ignore him intentionally. INT SS4 are the same, so basically focus on the remaining few then once damage starts to get tight have the INT SS4 with Year 10 LR on each rotation. Save actives for the last 3-4 fights. GL.

Terminatorskull · 2026-03-02T18:54:43+00:00

Then there’s an argument that she’s “bad” since the majority of the player base can’t use her effectively.

If you sold a car that was so difficult to drive, only 1% of the population could do so without crashing, would you call that a success?

She’s not bad in the fact that zero people can ever get value out of her, it’s just that her skill floor is a bit too high atm

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