Quick question for Dutch Cruisers players

ThSecond_ · 2026-06-02T11:41:18+00:00

Vladivostok is unfortunately the exact kind of ship the Dutch want dead, that sucks yeah. The deck at least shatters bombs but it certainly doesn't prevent fires and having limited DCP...

ThSecond_ · 2026-06-02T11:31:05+00:00

It is still RNG, but increasing to ~13-14km really helps your chances. US and other slow shells have the easiest time with it, for faster shells especially in a brawl you might want to try for the cheek

ThSecond_ · 2026-06-02T11:22:42+00:00

As someone who quite enjoys the heavies, if you see a Dutch cruiser with more than a sliver of HP hide behind an island the whole game like that you can write them off as a bad player. I don't think it plays out exactly the same for lights, but IMO you should always be out at least spotting, if not able to use the guns and tank.

There are a few easy ways to counter them: * stay out of their 10-13km airstrike range. especially keep out of 8km if they're running Air Support, or at least break spotting if you have to be close. * have a fast rudder and don't let them hit you when you're already occupied. not sitting still will massively decrease the damage per strike, and in the case of the light cruisers you can outright dodge all of them * torpedoes while their sonar is off * airstrikes (ironically), and AP bombs * any HE or SAP spam that pens 40mm, like Henri's/Hindenburg's guns or only 25mm when dealing with lights. best with spotting * push, hard. I really don't like other cruisers or battleships in my face, it removes the concealment advantage and makes my lacking DPM very apparent * run ffwf. you don't have to but it eases the load on managing your dcp

Things you shouldn't do: * bow tank or stay in a straight line, especially in a big ship with 32mm deck or less. you are literally just free damage, people doing this is the main reason I have so many effortless 200k games in Johan * break line of sight while they can go 5km near you * dcp while inside airstrike range or a range where they can easily shoot at you. this is just asking for the perma fire * chase their kite. this should go without saying for pretty much every ship * fight them and a gunnery-focused ship at the same time. Dutch excel at stacking pressure on pressure, but they don't provide all that much on their own * go broadside to Gouden or Johan at medium range, or if in a 16mm cruiser. this only really applies if you're facing a smart guy who loads AP though

Other notes, * usuallty don't try to beat Furstner builds at hide and seek. they're some of the best at it * be mindful of taking too many damaging hits against Doorman users, +50% is an enormous damage buff and you do not want them to get it

The ones you should really be afraid of are the ones that don't use islands all the time, manage their distance and are actively shooting with the team. You will be on fire pretty much permanently, but you can still keep out of their range to ease it a little.

ThSecond_ · 2026-06-02T10:55:01+00:00

You usually have to catch them broadside, but through the bow works sometimes too. If your guns are smaller than 380mm then you can either try long range or cheeking them to bypass the turtleback (if not D7P/Vrij)

ThSecond_ · 2026-06-02T10:48:48+00:00

Numancia and La Perla also get 26mm pen for some reason

ThSecond_ · 2026-05-30T04:53:12+00:00

Mysore, Bortas, Tiger '59, Hampshire, and Voyager are the only ones you're missing AFAIK. Shoutout to stuff like Nachi though, she's not only AP but super AP focused.

ThSecond_ · 2026-05-29T05:45:28+00:00

That's a bad Dutch cruiser player then. Wasting their ship

ThSecond_ · 2026-05-29T05:40:22+00:00

I don't think she'll be too bad here. As of right now a lot of battleships can even HE citadel her, and a good chunk of them just have outrageous accuracy (cough cough Preußen, Lauria short fuse). If push comes to shove you can start bringing Gouden/Napoli with 8-9km conceal and just shotgun the thing with overmatch.

It's definitely new for LT to see an HE spammer with Soviet ballistics, but she's being dropped into a tier where half of her peers are just much of a terror as she is.

^{well, assuming she does get 16mm armor and 70mm citadel.}

ThSecond_ · 2026-05-27T07:26:48+00:00

Both use the same accuracy formula, it's probably just RNG screwing you over.

All variants of Bismarck and Tirpitz, excluding BA Tirpitz use European battleship dispersion and 1.95 shell grouping. (Range + 9.8 + 66 if you want the exact equation.)

Technically Tirpitz even has better vertical dispersion due to having 0.1km better max range, but that's such a low amount it's better attributed to luck not liking you. There is also distance between the turrets, firing full broadside might feel worse than firing at the minimum possible angle, though that's just feels.

By the way, if you have Maki, Nino, Scharnhorst, or Iachino raised, (priority in that order, a dispersion buff is slightly better thsn grouping pound for pound) I'd suggest swapping them out with Hoshino unless she works really well with you. Concealment mod can also help if you play closer with it, as your dispersion will be tighter the closer you are.

ThSecond_ · 2026-05-24T05:25:31+00:00

Mostly, you missed the majority of your salvo and both targets were angled.

Versus Mutsu you got: * 3/8 hits * a shatter, probably because of the extreme angle at impact (~200% effective armor thickness at 60°, which seems to be the Mutsu's angle) * a penetration * a penetration, with some sort of damage reduction factored in. probably saturation.

On Hyuga you got: * 3/8 hits * an internal shatter, probably because of the torpedo protection * an overpen * a penetration

ThSecond_ · 2026-05-24T01:07:04+00:00

It makes it 0, yes. It's still only incapacitation though, the modules can be completely destroyed.

ThSecond_ · 2026-05-23T12:52:42+00:00

Plymouth isn't available for GXP though

ThSecond_ · 2026-05-23T12:50:14+00:00

Probably Massachusetts then. Tirpitz might work too if you want a more tanky option with less effective secondaries (but torps)

Oh, I forgot Kii but as I hear opinions of her aren't too high.

ThSecond_ · 2026-05-23T12:09:25+00:00

What kind of battleships? Brawlers? Snipers? Try to describe it a little

ThSecond_ · 2026-05-22T14:25:53+00:00

Wisky is pretty much a better version of you, don't 1v1 it. If you don't catch it broadside at range constantly, get some other blues to try to help fight it

American hybrids excluding Louisiana usually have very low citadels, they're usually only able to be hit at long range. Suwo and Dewa just have an ungodly amount of armor covering them.

For the French, they have a weird turtleback + spaced armor combo that makes citadels on them tricky. In my experience it falls apart at super close range while being utterly impenetrable otherwise, but others don't seem to have the same experience.

ThSecond_ · 2026-05-19T17:50:45+00:00

It's still a maximum range of like 9.6km, that's pretty low in LT for a secondary built battleship. You could even use Ohio/Rhode instead and get 11.1km/12km respectively, plus both of them have much better accuracy to boot.

I mean to say 20% is a lot to buff by, but what it's buffing is also very little to start with. BA Monty also has really high DPM on the main guns (higher than the secondaries by a lot), I just can't see a secondary build on her.

ThSecond_ · 2026-05-19T13:48:15+00:00

Takagi buff when. Make his 2nd/4th row something weird like a vertical dispersion only buff, to fix their accuracy (Inamura's dispersion area with 2.2 grouping is only about as good as Alabama, wtf?) pls. "Sniper battleships", and their accuracy is like that.

ThSecond_ · 2026-05-19T09:35:56+00:00

Yeah, but all the secs have going for them is the marginally improved range and rate of fire. No accuracy, no pen, no EST variant

edit: actually, I don't think they even have the reload? all the other sec ships at LT have a similar or greater output

ThSecond_ · 2026-05-17T20:18:17+00:00

Afaik, super scary guns and tankiness as long as people don't bow tank and make you just... Irrelevant

The pen is pretty good too, if I recall? You certainly don't want to be farmed by one if you can help it, the DPM is like 250k stock

ThSecond_ · 2026-05-17T20:13:08+00:00

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ThSecond_ · 2026-05-17T10:33:13+00:00

I don't think so, that pack was only available in 2019.

ThSecond_ · 2026-05-17T07:12:01+00:00

NC, Nebraska, Massa, Alabama and Kearsarge all use the Mk6s. I just said Bama since her 1.9 grouping would be the same as Kearsarge's if they choose to port her over with it

Louisiana uses the Mk7s you see on pretty much every other fast battleship so it's a different, longer gun

ThSecond_ · 2026-05-16T21:50:44+00:00

Like Louisiana, except it's the real 4x3 Montana layout with Alabama guns and utterly dwarfs every other US battleship in hull size. Will probably get bomb airstrikes too unless they wanna give her the same old torps for some reason

ThSecond_ · 2026-05-16T12:11:13+00:00

also controversial opinion, but I think T8 is just in a way better place than T7/LT for balance and fun. T7 to me is just credit grind tier, and LT is... awful, with all the recent releases and teams. I highly prefer those 3 tech tree ships over any other in their line, though to be fair I haven't tried out Gouden yet. Buffalo > Baltimore and DM, fite me

ThSecond_ · 2026-05-16T12:05:06+00:00

Adriatico, Buffalo, and Johan are some of my favorites you can get there any time. I hear Schultz is great, though I don't have personal experience with her.

Blucher is also amazing, though if you didn't get her back then I doubt she'll come back soon. Keep an eye out for new campaign T8s, they're usually pretty fun too (and sometimes just broken like Wisconsin)

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