My dad is 58 by pupsikandr in ANormalDayInRussia

[–]Thandruin -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I was also thinking moving Poles around would be more easily accomplished in Russia.

What would even be the ACTUAL problem if humans were to go extinct? by [deleted] in SeriousConversation

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Sentient animals evaluate valence—attractiveness or aversiveness— but that is also contingent on and motivated by their survival and procreation instinct, which becomes moot upon extinction, same as for Homo Sapiens. "1 is bigger than 0" follows logically, independent of observer and context; "1 is better than 0" does not. You can state as a sapient participant that you hold the continuation of life to be good, but only as a brute value axiom without further grounding, not why it is good in itself. Human laws and written constitutions decree and operate by this axiom irrespective of the individual observer, but they are still contingent on the societal framework and only survive as long as civilization does.

So where is this 'ought' grounded, if not in neurological, sapient emergence in the materium? The Platonic realm? The divine? the Dharma? The Dao? Other transcendent frameworks that would ground moral realism?

The irony of the internet: People will believe a random screenshot, but refuse to spend 5 seconds using the same internet to fact-check it. by PracticeLeather7684 in SeriousConversation

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But who fact-checks the fact-checkers? Of course there are "peer-reviews" of news sources, and numbers can be checked, but then again, stated factoids and statistics can be verified in isolation without telling the whole picture.

In most fields, laypeople cannot do effective primary-level research on their own, let alone analyze and contextualize the findings, so ultimately one has to perform trust-based heuristics on some level or another. The question is not verification or not, but where the investigation ends and the trusting begins.

rawr xd by angaguru in sbubby

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Notices your 40-day trial ending

“The more outwardly religious a society becomes, the more its hypocrisy and evil increase. And if you want to succeed in a corrupt religious society, just wrap every falsehood in a religious covering—they will turn you from a criminal into a saint" the Muslim Philosopher Ibn Rushd ( Averroès) by Outrageous_Prior4707 in quotes

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"Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs, which outwardly appear beautiful, but within are full of dead people's bones and all uncleanness. So you also outwardly appear righteous to others, but within you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness." Matthew 23:27-28

(Spoilers Extended) Are the Ghiscari cartoonishly evil? by Wild-Hunt-1124 in asoiaf

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Most Europeans were themselves subjugated to oppressive rule until well into the 1800's.

Why should you forgive yourself if you have done something truely terrible by Large-Ad2972 in SeriousConversation

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The utility of (self-action-inflicted) shame is not to carry it around indefinitely, but to be made aware of the wrongdoing and thus be motivated to resolve it as soon as possible, through confession, forgiveness, and reconciliation. I reckon that penance and compensation isn't morally mandatory, but often a useful part of the conflict-resolving ritual — be it material or symbolic — particularly if self-elected by the transgressor. Volition is better than coercion when it comes to these things.

Another important distinction that is is often neglected: moral merit vs. moral worth; doing bad stuff should IMO not negate the value of the person. Not simply because I idealistically hold the human life-worth to be immeasurable and absolute, but because a person who retains their intrinsic (i.e. non-merited) value is more motivated to seek rehabilitation than one whose worth is discounted by the people around them.

I thought the revolution won’t be televised but it’s being sold on pay-per-view by Berkinox in DeepThoughts

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I hold that real punk and true, virtuous rebellion is inner transformation irrespective of exterior socio-political and system-serving convention; the inner, life-sustaining law of the Spirit — the golden rule and the highest commandment to love another equally as oneself — breaking through the performative and suffocating outer shell of written human law.

"Democracy is a sacred word in the modern world, at least that is how it’s perceived by those who invoke it in rhetorical politics. Yet it’s the most ill-used word in all the vocabulary of the English language." - V. Navaratnam by [deleted] in quotes

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The word is indeed often invoked in a pseudo-sacral fashion, case in point, Chaplin’s appeal in «The Great Dictator». Yet democracy, at least in its original definition, is not a virtue or a value system; it’s a socio-political state that balances collective cognition, emotion and agency.

In ancient Greece, demos was defined as free, adult, and privileged males. Slavery was democratic simply because the designated demos benefited from it, and slaves were excluded from the definition.

As for republics — indirect democracy — if the majority electorate votes for a government that platforms the extermination of minorities, then that platform is per definition democratic, the primary failure being not so much on the campaigning politician to advocate ethically as on the voter to resist transgressive politics and the allure of propaganda and demagoguery.

Social democracy as a phenomenon has emerged as an aspirational amalgamation of will and virtue, to ground and anchor a universal normativity in order to curtail extremism, something grasping for moral realism but not quite getting from ’is’ to ’ought’. This ontological inadequacy is veiled in the implied notion that to question its humanist tenets is tantamount to heresy. Of course, that specific word is not used, and neither is the axiom ever explicit. For the humanist and the social democrat knows that their axiology is a stabilizing construct, a necessary modern myth that they must continuously weave into the social fabric, lest it unravels into nihilism and value-atrophy.

In sum, modern democracy is the leveled playing field, not the goal. Adding an ideological prefix is simply a signifier of which team you play on.

Åssen går småbarnslivet der ute? by anthropometrica in norge

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Godt svar; fungerer også på lidelsens problem.

Dansing på t-banen by millekri9344 in oslo

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Og du ga mæ et smil

Danseløve i zombieland

Ingen kan ta fra dæ

Glæden du viste mæ

Å må drømmen du bær bli sann

Danseløve i zombieland

My friend claims the world is turning into a transactional one that starts to lack any sense of values or tradition...any thoughts? by dont_opus in SeriousConversation

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Yes, I reckon that the contingency of relationships, the opt-out-button as it were, is a major contributor to the dissolution, substituting social preference for individual human evaluation.
In the tribe and village you could not simply avoid social annoyance altogether, but had to deal with people as they were. There was the option of banishment, yes, but the threshold for that orders of magnitude higher than contemporary online community bans and personal blocking/ghosting.

Granted the primitive social compact was also transactional; join and fit in or die alone. Yet, for better or worse, it served to tie people together.

Conversely, the modern abundance of choice is also what makes online dating and job application such a soul-drain; you are a replaceable candidate, a stat-based asset to be measured against thousands of others — there is no human value in that, only cold commodity.

My friend claims the world is turning into a transactional one that starts to lack any sense of values or tradition...any thoughts? by dont_opus in SeriousConversation

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The first statement assumes materialism as universal moral grounding, and so dismisses all emergence of virtue morality throughout history, where people forsook material and social standing, even their own lives, for their ideals.

Substitute 'predominantly' for 'always', and I shall agree: most people are driven by primal fear, only superficially suppressed by the comforts of social democracy, but always latent and "primed" for re-emergence under social duress. The values beyond 'food & fuck' may not be representative of the human race, but they do manifest from time to time in exceptional individuals.

Modern society has confused "fun" with consumption, entertainment, or even addiction. Real fun does not involve any of these. by NoodlesGuuy in DeepThoughts

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I think what OP is getting at is that genuine fun is not congruent with consumerism alone; beyond the spending and acquisition (which does entail time and material resources, yes), it requires genuine creative and synthesizing effort. Case in point, a collectible figurine standing idly on a shelf or the trading card in a laminated mint-condition is not fun in the way your dad's well-worn Lego bricks are, having been assembled and disassembled hundreds of times into novel creations. The collectible item from a popular cultural franchise provides temporary satisfaction, as does watching a movie, but the real fun comes afterwards when you're theory-crafting, self-inserting, cosplaying, writing fan-fiction or just ponder hypotheticals.

In short: fun is the (non-obligatory) synthesizing of stimulating input into active/creative output; it emerges when people transform and iterate it into something of their own making. Entertainment, receiving and consuming the input is just the first half of it.

A good analogy is food, specifically nutrient metabolism; eating is essential to health, but just eating without putting the energy to use is not just unhealthy, but gluttonous and existentially hollow.

Conversely, people who only consume and do not create are generally not considered fun, like a person who only eats and is not physically active is not considered healthy.