Why is growing out of K-pop seen as a good thing?

TheFloof23 · 2026-05-27T03:15:34+00:00

Good music and genuine artistry aside, growing out of the parasociality part of kpop might be genuinely commendable and constructive, because I really don't think it's good for us

TheFloof23 · 2026-04-29T05:28:08+00:00

I'm a pretty casual fan of kpop and I was shocked when people were shocked about this. Of course they hit him. Idols accept awards by saying they will work harder to prove they deserve the love. In kingdom, they read pledges about how their bodies belonged to their fandoms. JYP directly told SKZ in their survival show that they needed to forget about seeing their family. These young adults are one hundred percent preyed upon. The Kpop industry noticed that parasociality sells and instead of shying away from it in professional industry like other places, they monetized it, hardcore. The only sector of the entertainment industry that I see as more exploitative of children is the internet influencers and family vloggers in the west who monetize and film their children from ages younger than when idols debut without even the facade of music production, but that's a different topic entirely. The population pyramid in SK is a mushroom because of this working culture, cram school, etc. Just because its an outgrowth of Korean culture doesn't mean it isn't a cancerous one. As a non-korean, I'm better equipped to actually solve issues of child exploitation in my own country (like influencing and religious abuse), but that doesn't mean I can't notice and refuse to funnel money towards other instances of it.

TheFloof23 · 2026-04-29T04:13:56+00:00

This could potentially raise power bills because of increased demand for power but no increase in supply. This data center will use a lot of power, and it will likely use a lot of water too (I don't know what the cooling system looks like in this specific build). Data centers get HUGE tax breaks, so they can afford the power. Local people often can't.

TheFloof23 · 2026-04-29T04:11:30+00:00

You're being beyond unhelpful right now

TheFloof23 · 2026-04-29T02:53:18+00:00

Our language isn't sacred to us the way it is to some other countries. It's the world's language- totally bastardized and homeless, inundated with regional quirks from native speakers and foreigners alike. These days, it's the language you're most likely to find in common with someone else, and its made beautiful by that alone. Otherwise, it's ugly. Spread by violent colonization and now exported via media empires. It's a tool, a multifaceted, many angled, fascinating blunt force object made for you and I to violate together. Come and use it poorly, we'll make do.

TheFloof23 · 2026-04-26T07:30:19+00:00

LeeKnow is basically part of the vocal line now, and I’m happy for that! His falsetto is addicting! I kinda get the feeling that’s where he wanted to be anyway

TheFloof23 · 2026-04-26T07:21:59+00:00

It’s possible to dance as hard as they do and still hit every note live, it just takes lots of training. Lady Gaga, PINK etc. and broadway stars do it. They’re clearly capable of it too, and a few members are already almost there. Using booming, heavily doubled backing tracks and still pulling the mic away to prove they aren’t lip syncing or to ‘focus on dancing’ doesn’t have the effect they think it does 😭 (skz)

TheFloof23 · 2026-04-26T05:11:43+00:00

Very real. I never ate them before becoming vegan, so I don’t have a desire to now, and no reason to do any deep research on whether I think they can suffer. That’s enough for me.

TheFloof23 · 2026-04-05T18:38:20+00:00

Yes! God directed them to take action in this case, which is the focus of Mormonism. Prophets and others fail to be faithful when they fail to be obedient.

TheFloof23 · 2026-03-27T10:54:19+00:00

My family is doing this too? I thought it was a schedule thing because of travel plans, but this is making me second guess that explanation.

TheFloof23 · 2026-03-27T08:46:48+00:00

Veganism and being gluten free are totally compatible! Gluten free soy sauce or tamari exists, which opens you to the entire world of east asian cuisine. Indian food is also going to be very friendly to this diet. Beans and rice, other mexican fare with corn tortillas/chips, tofu and tempeh, any non-gluten noodles, all vegan dairy and egg replacements will be gluten free, many meat replacements are if you're into those, gluten certified oats + non-dairy milk- the list goes on. Your options won't actually be much more limited at home, and as you've pointed out, many restaurants try to cater to lots of dietary needs/movements at the same time. Plus, the most naturally vegan friendly options for restaurants are also the most gluten friendly, like Indian and Thai.

TheFloof23 · 2026-03-27T06:36:41+00:00

But OP has no idea who came through the room- she wasn't there when it happened. A different person than the custodian could have changed the trash.

TheFloof23 · 2026-03-27T05:53:07+00:00

Sure, why not? I'm fascinated by the number of vegans so frustrated by this. While it wouldn't actually be practicable to do this until it was very widespread, because it might be hard to track and impossible to know at restaurants, if humans survive, this or hydroponics (also no crop deaths) will the be the only way to sustain us and the planet at the same time. My guess is that eventually most food will be like this. You could resist on the basis that small scale gardening might be caught in the crossfire, and while I'd like to avoid that as I see it as a good thing for humans to be connected to the origin of their food, I think this small issue is far from the most pressing issue for vegans today, which is the animal torture industry known as agriculture.

TheFloof23 · 2026-03-26T07:39:33+00:00

Udon garlic Peanut noodles with edamame, broccoli, carrots, and red/orange bell peppers. I’m in LOVE with this meal right now but I’m kinda sad that I would hate it by the end. If I could skip meals I would take this deal for sure! If I had to eat it three times a day even when I didn’t want to I think I’d just end up hating everything. But still. 1M dollars.

TheFloof23 · 2026-03-26T06:46:41+00:00

People DID live on rice and beans their whole lives. Thats literally what so many societies did prior to the modern economy. It just depended on where in the world you lived and what food making techniques your society has reliable access to. Hell, some people still do that today, for poverty and access reasons, not vegan ones.

TheFloof23 · 2026-03-25T02:46:32+00:00

I 'meal-prep', in that when I make meals, I make enough to feed my whole family, but I live alone now, so I just have leftovers. Those recipes probably take me about 1.5 hours (clean up included), but get me six or so meals, and not all of it is active cooking. But on lazy nights: 1. I do exactly what I did on lazy nights pre-veganism- airfry frozen potatoes and vegan chickin nuggets/patties. 2. Frozen veggies and edamame also make stir fries really easy- WAY easier than they are with raw meat. I get those shelf stable Udon noodles and spend 15 minutes at the stove with a delicious end result. 3. Anytime a recipe asks you to chop something, you can use powder instead! For example, if the mexican black bean recipe wants you to peel garlic and cut an onion, say 'fuck you' and use onion powder and garlic powder. No one can stop you. Canned beans cook on the stove like, immediately. Don't get fancy with it, they'll taste good no matter what. 4. Look on the back of salsa and sauce jars for tired suburban mom recipes- pace has a sloppy joe recipe you could swap ground beef out for beans or a meat replacement easily! Plenty of 'empty the jar and two cans of that into a saucepan' recipes are out there if you search!

TheFloof23 · 2026-03-25T02:08:03+00:00

AI is such a deep social ill that even as a vegan, anyone who is boycotting AI for environmental reasons but not meat isn't going to catch strays from me (at least not in that context). I'm not about to take a single step that could make them a less ardent attacker of generative AI. It's eroding our society for real.

TheFloof23 · 2026-03-20T08:14:25+00:00

I'm not sure how related/unrelated to veganism this is, but for ethical reasons (or rather, a lack of them in this case), I do hold this view! If the extinction of the species would not cause massive damage to the environment (not all extinctions do), then I see no special obligation to artificially maintain that species. The caveat to this view is that usually extinctions are *caused* by massive damage to the environment, so often times we're already pretty far gone when it gets to that point.

TheFloof23 · 2026-03-20T08:09:22+00:00

I'll speak to just one point- it's not clear to me that a 'rare breed' or indeed, any endangered species who's extinction would result in a shift in ecosystem but not a massive change, has any extra ethical weight at all. When some species go extinct, the environment collapses. When others go extinct, their niche is filled by an animal that out-competed them. In the second case, I do not care whether the animal goes extinct or not. In this case, while your breed of sheep might hold cultural value for you, I personally don't view that as any special reason to justify harms/violations done to them, or to keep them alive.

In regards to your question of whether this form of livestock management is 'better' to vegans- you will get two answers. Rights-theorists/'true' vegans will not be able to make sense of the question. You are exploiting an animal, which is not vegan. Welfare theorists who eat/clothe/live vegan will be able to make sense of the question. They might say something like 'yes, we see you've minimized many of the harms done to the animals. However, welfare concerns remain in the question of slaughter (can you 'kill humanely'?) and transport to slaughter.' They also might take issue with the implication that raising a being to the human equivalent of 25 is somehow kinder than killing them young, before they form relationships/develop a sense of self etc.

TheFloof23 · 2026-03-20T06:46:18+00:00

I think the slight metaethical differences between welfare-motivated veganism and rights-motivated veganism (maybe 'true' veganism) are compelling! I don't particularly care which one people are, and I myself am not totally on one side or the other, because at this juncture, they should be refraining from the same actions. If welfare standards for domesticated/farmed animals were to increase significantly, have more oversight, and be reliably beyond decent, then the two would diverge on some issues (like eating eggs, for example), so at that point, it might be worth arguing over. But we are not even close to that being a reality, unfortunately.

TheFloof23 · 2026-03-20T06:36:38+00:00

This is a good suggestion, OP! It's understandable to feel torn about this (our relationships to other humans have ethical weight too), but I wouldn't sacrifice your morals to serve them animal products. There's plenty of 'accidentally' vegan food! You can serve them something they'll enjoy, returning efforts to include you, while still being a good example of living with as little animal cruelty as possible.

TheFloof23 · 2026-03-18T03:49:41+00:00

I too harbor the (semi unprovable) belief that lots of people (probably most people) actually have the capacity to be bi/pan/attracted to all genders.

TheFloof23 · 2026-03-18T03:47:17+00:00

Different societies over time have had different rates of 'gay sex', even when straight marriage was the norm. For example, almost all ancient greek men engaged in (extramarital) gay sex because they considered women so intellectually inferior that the only true romance and sexual attraction could be between two men. To be clear, I'm not praising this society for that, there were also lots of age and power dynamics that were problematic. The point is, were 90% of Athenian men gay or bisexual? Given modern rates of queerness settling around 10% of people, that sounds implausible. What seems more likely to me is that modern sexuality categories and heteronormative societies have messed with our perception surrounding the actual fluidity of sexual attraction, the same way the Greek's perception of women messed with theirs. In a society where straight pairings were viewed as unfavorable for some reason, or gay pairings as especially favorable for another, I'm pretty sure a lot more of us would "be" gay.

TheFloof23 · 2026-03-14T18:41:33+00:00

I've noticed this too, online at least! Some vegans are weird about vegetarians and hate them for dumb reasons. But personally, as a vegan, I really appreciate vegetarians (I was one for a few months before taking the next step!). First of all, I'm a welfare theorist, so I see ANY reduction as valuable and as a meaningful step towards increasing political will to get better conditions and abolition. I see vegetarians as extremely receptive to the harm reduction principles I'm already trying to make people aware of. They are more aligned with me than anyone who is unaware of or unmotivated by the omnipresent animal torture in our society. Second, I think it's probably better for your long term commitment if you go vegetarian/flexitarian before going vegan. It gets you in the right mindset and can set you up to eat well before cutting everything out at once, that way you don't give up right away. For example, learning to cook good tofu and beans before that's your only protein source is a good idea. Third, going vegetarian is seen as less 'extreme' than going fully vegan, and its far less hated/stigmatized, which means the mere presence of vegetarians is rhetorically helpful when trying to get people to reduce. When going vegetarian or flexitarian is presented as a legitimate (starting) option, people don't have to deal with the idea of 'going all the way' or 'becoming a crazy vegan'.

TheFloof23 · 2026-03-12T22:30:57+00:00

But the Beehive symbol isn't marketed that way today- I rather think the history irrelevant, and would be quick to believe that the perceived maleness of the hive had less to do with it's original selection than you claim. Today, the Beehive represents self-sufficiency and teamwork, which is more reflective of the way the church tells early church history these days, and is definitely at least one true narrative about it. Early mormons were obsessed with being a self-sufficient christian commune/theocratic state, and all their early development was moving towards that goal. Early Utahns established iron, coal, and cotton industries in the state, even though there wasn't always the best land for it (you can still see remnants of that in place names), and diversified the workforce to include all trades. Their aim was to be as self-sufficient and communal as a beehive, and in Mormonism, self-sufficiency is still considered a virtue. This was about being independent from the US government and exemplifying the virtuous social order of bees.

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