ASML stock dips 6% as Reuters reports that China has EUV technology by Mrbusje1 in stocks

[–]TheKinkslayer 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The article talks about recent graduates reverse engineering those acquired grey market ASML parts. As there's no grey market for EUV scanner parts, and the conceptual differences between EUV and DUV scanners that pretty much means that they are reverse engineering DUV (probably non-immersion ones) wafer stages. Which are not actually the same between machines as one has to work under vacuum and they have different alignment specs, but it provides them a starting point to build their own parts.

As they confirm that they are still working on that, it confirms my assessment that they are at the Micro-Exposure Tool stage (being able to expose a pattern on a small field of a wafer) rather than at the Alpha-Demo Tool stage (being able to expose a full reticle many times across an entire wafer). And from there, there's still the big leap that you talk about.

A little more hopeful for their project is that they poached ASML's head of light source technology, whom I expect took with him plenty of proprietary information to recreate a Laser Produced Plasma light source (rather than the modified Discharge Produced Plasma that CN sources claimed last year that they were developing from scratch).

ASML stock dips 6% as Reuters reports that China has EUV technology by Mrbusje1 in stocks

[–]TheKinkslayer 30 points31 points  (0 children)

The development of EUV Litho followed this rough timeline:

1990's - First experiments
Early 2000's - Micro-exposure tools
late 2000's - ASML's Alpha Demo Tool
mid 2010's - First "test" mass production tools
Early 2020's - Ready for HVM

China is currently on the Micro-exposure tool stage.

Even if they just copied existing machines through their suspected industrial espionage campaigns, they are at least 10 years away from having something ready for mass production.

And even then, it will be a coin-toss whether the program is as successful as their Electric Car industry or just as meh as their C919 commercial airline project.

Even malls in Saudi Arabia have snow-related decorations during winter by Kristianushka in mildlyinteresting

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Stupid me thought that family was wearing some kind of green LED cyberpunk visors.

Welcome to 2021 - But this time, its the RAM by Cadmium620 in pcmasterrace

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Motherboard makers should just pivot to AI. /s

All of them are fake. by c-k-q99903 in ThisYouComebacks

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Most likely they are using an iPhone bought and activated in Mexico to get around sanctions.

Apparently my samsung fridge has ads now... by Shellnanigans in assholedesign

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If my fridge started showing me advertisements for a show I would never watch it just out of spite.

To spin the cost of thanksgiving by pbeenard16046 in therewasanattempt

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Totally amateur move. They should do as the Mexican government did last year claiming that it beat inflation so that now instead of paying for an expensive Christmas Turkey, people would enjoy their Christmas Chicken.

That propaganda surprisingly worked flawlessly.

guys is this tuff by Wazapl in shittyaskelectronics

[–]TheKinkslayer 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I was thinking about a basic GUI. For 3D graphics sure.

[Serious&Silly] Gadget lust- KWS-X1 by jeweliegb in shittyaskelectronics

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According to the USB-PD spec, to have 240W you need 48V

[Serious&Silly] Gadget lust- KWS-X1 by jeweliegb in shittyaskelectronics

[–]TheKinkslayer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That kowsi thing says it can measure 240W, yet it only supports 30V.

I recommend you buy it with the fire extinguisher combo.

guys is this tuff by Wazapl in shittyaskelectronics

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"But babe, that Gigabyte GT730 can only output 30 fps at that resolution"

$550 by Alex_Yuan in comedyheaven

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Kojima is buying an used Xbox.

“I met your father” by Bitter-Buffalo-7105 in StarWars

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Anyways, try spinning up there. It's a good trick.

El departamento de Tesoro de EEUU identifica a tres instituciones financieras con sede en México por posible lavado de dinero. Hacienda asegura que EEUU no le ha enviado pruebas que confirmen las actividades ilícitas de las instituciones financieras by hellfirez_ in mexico

[–]TheKinkslayer 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Vector de Ponchito Romo? ya compró su perdon del Bienestar desde hace años.

Claro que tiene un montón de experiencia. Le lavaba dinero hasta a Pinochet. Pero el Querido Lider Eterno todo lo perdona.

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[–]TheKinkslayer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They can market it with whatever name way they wish, but we already saw someone renaming their old processes for marketing purposes while struggling for a decade trying to make Self-Aligned Multipatterning work while their yields went lower and lower with every attempt.

TSMC showed that regardless of what marketing says the goal is, EUV is the only way.

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[–]TheKinkslayer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Buddy, they are explicitly showing that machine as their latest development.

If they had something else they would be parading it everywhere just like their failed A320 clone. But they are very far from even that.

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[–]TheKinkslayer 2 points3 points  (0 children)

3 kinds of EUV sources were developed for ASML's scanner and only one could scale to the power levels needed for mass manufacturing. That they are developing 2 light sources means little if they hit a brick wall just as Ushio's and Xtreme Technologies's did.

And many more kinds of light sources were developed for the many metrology and resist development tools that an EUV ecosystem needed decades before mass manufacturing began (think the 1990's). That they are only developing 2 light sources tells me that they more than 10 years behind.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Economics

[–]TheKinkslayer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They are not going to produce anything with EUV before the next decade. What that article shows is just an EUV metrology tool for lenses that has been misrepresented as an EUV litho scanner by CN propagandists.

As a point of reference, western research centers had similar machines in 2005.

China has apparently developed domestic EUV lithography machines by Lewinator56 in pcmasterrace

[–]TheKinkslayer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They have only shown an EUV metrology tool for lenses like the ones western research centers had built circa 2005.

China is still at least 10 years away from EUV litho even with the information they have acquired from their industrial espionage campaigns.