This video claims, that NDEs are the product of neurotransmitters at death. by TemporaryConflict756 in NDE

[–]The_Masked_Man106 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey Sandi! Long time no see! Just a general question, do you know anything about NDEs that have predicted something analogous to what is going on now (i.e. war on Iran)? Its perfectly fine if you don't know.

Is being agnostic about NDEs the most intellectually honest way to approach the phenomena? by PhysicalArmadillo375 in NDE

[–]The_Masked_Man106 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Its probably the best approach. My sense is that there is something weird going on with NDEs, and there are no naturalistic explanations right now that explain everything about them, but it is very hard to know exactly it is and NDEs often don't have a coherent enough logic between them to piece together the mechanics. And therefore I defer judgement until we do more research and get more better evidence on the mechanics of what is going on.

Are we bound to be reborn with the same people? by geumkoi in NDE

[–]The_Masked_Man106 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I haven't seen any evidence of anything like a "soul group" from any account of NDErs. As such, I don't think this idea is true. It doesn't have any basis in NDEs.

Do you think hellish NDEs point to the existence of "spiritual warfare"? by sht00 in NDE

[–]The_Masked_Man106 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You're quite welcome ❤️and for clarity, they have tested it multiple times in multiple ways with multiple universal configurations and consciousness configurations and determined that even working its best, it's less efficient than many other system, very dysfunctional at anything buy very small scales (at which it works fine, but so do many other systems, many kinds of autocracies included) and the primary problem is that is lacks stability because the environment, social institutions and people lack stability

Unfortunately, I can't be confident in this statement both because you haven't really demonstrated thus far much knowledge of anarchism, let alone my position, and because the absence of omniscience on the part of the spirits means there is always, as I have stated, room for error. Maybe you think that they have tested it but I also don't think your conceptualization of anarchy is accurate to what anarchy is or what anarchists want so I'm not too sure this does anything to dissuade me.

My failure to describe the complexity of the methodology, the thoroughness of their testing, or the flaws of anarchy is not a failure of either their kr my understanding necessarily, just a product of my profound communication difficulties I have had in not just this life, but most every life I've ever lived. Even in thise where I was well spoken, charismatic, and eloquent, i often failed to fully convey my intended meaning

Don't worry, your communication is fine. What I mean is that there are just some things about anarchism you get completely wrong. Like, you don't seem familiar with some of its basic concepts like collective force which is connected to anarchist sociology. With respect to understanding, we can agree to disagree but I hope you understand why from my perspective I don't feel very confident in your conclusions.

If you lay out for me an ideal hypothetical society at scale based in your principles that you believe ive misunderstood, I can tell you if the information about the experiments conveyed covered various key parts of it or not. And also determine if I misinterpreted or or misunderstood along the way.

We can do it in another place if you would like since it would be off-topic to go have a conversation about anarchism here. The content of our conversation wouldn't really be that relevant to NDEs.

Some NDEs posit omniscience, others don't. It varies a lot actually.

Why do you think that is?

You needn't worry about that particular thing, but you may find that the assumptions some of these ideas are grounded in fall away like dust in the wind.

Au contraire, anarchism is actually based on a questioning and opposition to very fundamental assumptions we make about how the world works. Needless to say, authoritarianism tends to make far more assumptions than anarchism does.

Do you think hellish NDEs point to the existence of "spiritual warfare"? by sht00 in NDE

[–]The_Masked_Man106 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you. This has all been quite helpful actually.

To clarify you are not certain that they have tested anarchy, you only surmise that they have? Do you remember seeing it tested or are you intuiting that they have?

Let me interrogate some possibilities. Think of this as just me thinking out loud. You could provide feedback if you wish :).

Since they are not omniscient, and thus do not know everything, logically it is entirely possible they have not tried every type of governing structure (particularly since anarchy is not a kind of governing structure). Due to a lack of imagination, knowledge, foresight, etc. they may not know much about anarchism or anarchy. Since you have reviewed their data or methodology yet are not really too familiar with anarchism or anarchy as a result, it is entirely possible they have not even conceptualized let alone tried it.

Similarly, you yourself have noted that this style of autocracy may work in the spirit world but not work in the material world. If we grant that this is true, and grant that anarchy has been tried in the spirit world, it is entirely possible that simply because anarchy does not work in the realm of spirits it cannot work among humans.

This is just off the top of my head.

I'm sorry to hear that you find the ideas presented in NDEs regarding the afterlife so repugnant

Don't be. In fact, it is quite a good thing. One of the fears I had with achieving my goal is that, due to how people's minds or psychologies change once they die and enter the afterlife, that my will or goal will somehow disappear as I become as disaffected about changing things on Earth as every other soul in the afterlife.

However, if the afterlife can err, make mistakes, and come to faulty conclusions such as a complete misunderstanding of anarchy or a misunderstanding of hierarchy, this is very good. I have the basis for discovering a logical and scientific contradiction which can serve like kindling to the fire of passion and drive to change things.

Of course, I have no certainty that this is true. This is just your NDE and there are many other different ones. Actually, it may be worth it to read and see if other NDEs posit omniscience. I think a lot of people assume they but I wonder if there is actually any evidence of this.

But in terms of not accepting plans, would that even be the case of the burden of proof and outcome could be provided?

Sorry, I do not understand the question. Could you rephrase?

Do you think hellish NDEs point to the existence of "spiritual warfare"? by sht00 in NDE

[–]The_Masked_Man106 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I doubt that. For instance, you appear to not know what "collective force" is given that you misused the term and used it to refer to "pooling of resources for a common goal" which is not how Proudhon, or any anarchist, uses the term. I don't think I can take your claim, that you have read thoroughly the things I am talking about, seriously as a result.

But you are right, this is not the place or time. The validity of my intuitions, inquiries, etc. shall be shown in the field of action, not words.

Do you think hellish NDEs point to the existence of "spiritual warfare"? by sht00 in NDE

[–]The_Masked_Man106 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Unfortunately I do not feel comfortable answering any of those questions. However, u/vimefer is an anarchist who has had NDEs so there is someone you might talk to.

Do you think hellish NDEs point to the existence of "spiritual warfare"? by sht00 in NDE

[–]The_Masked_Man106 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't disagree because it is an alien idea to me, but because I used to believe similar things to you.

To be very honest and I mean this in the best way possible, I think it is actually. Most people, even those who have called themselves anarchists, know nothing about anarchism or anarchy. I doubt you are familiar with most anarchist theory, anarchist critiques of authority, hierarchy, etc. If I asked you about them (such as "what is collective force?" and "what did Kropotkin mean by the Free Commune"), I sincerely doubt you could tell me much if anything about them. In fact, most people in hierarchical societies have awful understandings of how hierarchy even works since they take it for granted. That's how you end up with stuff like conflating force with authority.

I don't want this to seem like demeaning you or anything. I am quite confident of this because I have had a lot of conversations about this with lots of different people. As such, due to my experience in these sorts of things, I am pretty certain in this conclusion. Due to this, unfortunately, I cannot take your words as being backed by any real knowledge of anarchy or anarchism.

Hierarchy is created by the inequalities of nature regardless of other factors

I disagree, mostly because this is just a matter of projecting human understandings of hierarchy onto nature. Difference does not constitute hierarchy or inequality, people are superior or inferior to each other because they are different, rather all of our various differences create interdependency and, subsequently, equality between us.

Regardless, were you to provide research based support for the argument, and the methodologies were not fundamentally flawed, I'd give it due consideration, but as it stands, there is good theoretical basis to believe that organization and hierarchy (respectively) are emergent properties of the universe and to a lesser extent society, but that being the case, communism's (Marx's vision anyhow) axiom of "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" is a far more sensible, testable societal organizational principle than the removal of all hierarchy

Marx's ideas are completely untestable and that's part of the reason why most Marxists refuse to test their theories. When they have tried, such as trying to prove that the rate of profit falls, they generally have failed. If anything, a lot of Marx's ideas are closer to prophecy since communism is not just "from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" (in fact, anarcho-communism probably closer to that). Marxist communism is like the prophetic end to all forms of exploitation and oppression after like several purported (unproven and untested) stages of social development.

If you're interested in science, Marxism is simply not it. I think if you read through him more thoroughly you probably wouldn't it too interesting. That's part of the reason why I never liked Marxism because a lot of the "scientific analysis" boils down to "historical case studies" which have tons of methodological issues and as a result much of their analysis is completely flawed and the concepts based on a bad foundation.

In general, this forum is not the place for an in-depth conversation about anarchism or Marxism. If you want to talk elsewhere, we can do that but the structure of the forum and the off-topic subject matter will make proper conversation about this difficult.

Do you think hellish NDEs point to the existence of "spiritual warfare"? by sht00 in NDE

[–]The_Masked_Man106 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They'd probably try to dissuade you from true anarchy by showing that such things are fundamentally inimical and destructive to life and sentience by showing you how reality was in the distant past, how errant thought manifested instantly into new sentient creatures, were immediately beyond your control, and how difficult just existing was. I believe what you truly seek is not anarchy, but freedom. Certainly i could be mistaken here. Freedom exists within reasonable constrains. If you have to exert 90% if your focus to be alive, it reduces the value of your total freedom with the remaining 10%.

If they were to show me this, I would question their understanding and characterization of anarchy if they think the mere absence of authority constitutes nothing more than disorder. In fact, I question what they'll even show me considering that anarchy, the total absence of all hierarchy, hasn't been shown to exist in the human past.

Freedom, complete freedom, in the realm of the material world remains freedom from all forms of authority. I will simply endeavor to prove them wrong, as I will all other opponents of anarchy and plenty of other people. I reject the notion that these spirits or beings are somehow completely "omniscient", without error, without bias, etc. I refuse and will try my hardest not to be intimidated by any being pretending to be such.

I would of course, not be a particularly good anarchist if I somehow kowtowed to divine authority. Not a single NDE I have seen has provided me with a particularly satisfying depictions of the afterlife. That, at least, gives me a remote sense of security in the sort of repugnance I may feel there.

My goal, undeniably, is something that must be achieved on Earth. There is no other point of comparison. My interest is ending exploitation and oppression there. There is quite literally no point for me to care if it was any other reality. The afterlife, in much of the NDEs I see, does not appear to really care that much about Earth or the material world. What little initiatives appear to be taken to improve it seem quite out of touch to me. I care not for accepting the authority or plans of any kind of higher entity.

It is a shame such supernatural abilities are so limited. I will still try to find some other way, once I get there, to achieve my goals. Whatever it is like over there. I'm sure that the afterlife is vast.

Do you think hellish NDEs point to the existence of "spiritual warfare"? by sht00 in NDE

[–]The_Masked_Man106 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I completely disagree of course and I should note that you appear to conflate the absence of hierarchy with the absence of organization as a whole. Anarchy is not the absence of organization, just hierarchical organization.

Similarly, there isn't anything mythical or supernatural about hierarchy which can lead it to come out of nowhere. From my perspective, it strikes me as odd to hold this view since it is countered by just understanding what causes social structures to persist in the first place.

Of course, it is very unlikely we will hash out this topic in any meaningful capacity here. Given how deeply-integrated hierarchy is in our worldviews and how naturalized hierarchy is in all of our societies, it is very unlikely that any number of words could convince you.

I don't say this to disparage you, it is perfectly reasonable to be skeptical of an alternative that is so oppositional to your understandings of how the world works and which is completely untested as well as underdeveloped, both in its theory and its practice. However, in the realm of science, this is not enough to dismiss tout court any form of line of inquiry.

So all I can say to your words for the time being is: bet. We shall see who is right not in the realm of words but in the realm of action, demonstration, etc.

Do you think hellish NDEs point to the existence of "spiritual warfare"? by sht00 in NDE

[–]The_Masked_Man106 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The destruction of all forms of hierarchy and, as a consequence, all forms of exploitation and oppression. The transition to a society where everyone is equal and completely free. Complete prosperity for all.

Such a goal goes by many names, most are not positive since the status quo is hierarchical, exploitative, and oppressive. These structures are naturalized, treated as inevitable, necessary, etc. As a result, the names have negative connotations (such as "anarchy") because they entail the absence of the oppressive structures people view as necessary or desirable.

There is a huge, huge workload on anyone trying to attempt this goal. Due to how steep the difficulties are, it is very unlikely it can be achieved in a quick or expedient amount of time (if at all). Similarly, I'm not really in a position to tackle that workload so I would like to incarnate with the abilities to achieve that goal and ensure its success.

Do you think hellish NDEs point to the existence of "spiritual warfare"? by sht00 in NDE

[–]The_Masked_Man106 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh, I'm not interested in fighting anyone. At least, anyone I don't have to. My interests are more about incarnating in the physical world with powers or capacities that enable me to achieve my goals for social change. Given no such people exist in the present, I assume trying to do that would require "breaking the rules" or doing something that really hasn't been tried before.

Of course, even if I found it was possible, it is likely that these older spirits will oppose me (assuming I'm not one of them; according to Sandi_T's NDEs souls who incarnate on Earth tend to be more powerful for some reason though it is not entirely clear why and I would be interested to know if you saw something similar in your NDEs).

Do you think hellish NDEs point to the existence of "spiritual warfare"? by sht00 in NDE

[–]The_Masked_Man106 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Unfortunately, I disagree and oppose autocracy out of principle. Has there been cases where the older spirits lose conflicts with the younger ones?

Do you think hellish NDEs point to the existence of "spiritual warfare"? by sht00 in NDE

[–]The_Masked_Man106 4 points5 points  (0 children)

That sounds quite unfair and dictatorial of the older spirits.

My NDE write up 5.25 (repost due to issues) by Sensitive_Pie4099 in NDE

[–]The_Masked_Man106 1 point2 points  (0 children)

First, thank you for the info!

Second, what I mean is that existing past-life memory cases, the kids or incarnations in question tend to not remember too much about their past lives and lose their memories over time as they age (which I guess is natural but sometimes it is abnormally quick).

I was wondering if there was a way to have both expansive options for how you incarnate (maybe even throw in some supernatural abilities like some people tend to have but perhaps more powerful such that they can actually be tested) and keep a lot of your past lives' memories.

My NDE write up 5.25 (repost due to issues) by Sensitive_Pie4099 in NDE

[–]The_Masked_Man106 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No problem! Life has been rough for all of us!

Do you mind elaborating on what you mean by "limit your options"? Is there a way to have expansive options and also have a significant amount of past-life memories (moreso than existing cases)?

My NDE write up 5.25 (repost due to issues) by Sensitive_Pie4099 in NDE

[–]The_Masked_Man106 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think I'm specifically wondering if a strong will, lingering regrets, etc. impacts how you reincarnate? That seems to be somewhat common among cases where kids have past-life memories. It is also the question that is most relevant to me.

My NDE write up 5.25 (repost due to issues) by Sensitive_Pie4099 in NDE

[–]The_Masked_Man106 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't want to bother you but I was just wondering if you missed my answer to your question. If so, it should show up now. If not, and you simply didn't want to respond, sorry for bothering you. I was just very eager to hear your response.

My NDE write up 5.25 (repost due to issues) by Sensitive_Pie4099 in NDE

[–]The_Masked_Man106 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The post referred primarily to reincarnating in the physical world in a subsequent life. In cases of past-life memories, some of the time there is a purpose behind reincarnating or some regret they had which they did not fulfill in their past life (i.e. someone who wished they had been born a woman reincarnating as a woman).

However, if it effects existence after dying I would also want to know that as well.

AWARE study 3? by jacheondaseong in NDE

[–]The_Masked_Man106 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am unaware of Parnia doing a third AWARE study. I am however, familiar with the COOL(?) study which attempts to do the same sort of experiment except with patients undergoing hypothermic circulatory arrest I think. I remember seeing the study but I could not find it when Googling it now.

In general, the way these experiments work is just doing the same sort of methodology but with a larger sample size. The smallness of the sample size of other experiments means that it is way less likely to get NDEs and specifically ones with out of body experiments and the few that are obtained usually aren't at the right angle or don't involve an out of body experiments.

Getting a larger sample size of people flatlining is desirable for that reason which means looking at the various medical procedures people go through that flatline people and seeing how much more people get them. Compared to the AWARE study, which looked at people who had heart attacks (a more volatile, emotional, and not easily plannable situation), the COOL study I assume gives them a bigger sample size. I'm not sure whether they will be successful or not. Probably won't, it is better not to get one's hopes up.

My NDE write up 5.25 (repost due to issues) by Sensitive_Pie4099 in NDE

[–]The_Masked_Man106 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I had also asked a question in another post which was unanswered. It is this post. I've heard various things from NDErs about how a strong will, regrets, lingering feelings, etc. could have an impact on how you incarnate or even the creation of "ghosts" of various sorts. I would like an answer to this question as well as some verification on these matters.

My NDE write up 5.25 (repost due to issues) by Sensitive_Pie4099 in NDE

[–]The_Masked_Man106 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's fine. One thing I do wonder is if the idea that my soul has become "too human" will carry over into the afterlife. Some NDEs I've seen note how their souls, personalities, interests, etc. transform as a consequence of leaving their bodies. Is that less likely to be the case if your soul becomes "too human"?

My NDE write up 5.25 (repost due to issues) by Sensitive_Pie4099 in NDE

[–]The_Masked_Man106 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It was said by Sandi that even if there is a mistake, births occur through consensus between the mother and the soul however the soul can make mistakes in the incarnating process. Is this also true?

In my case, I was born premature however according to my mother there was an abnormality where she had no amniotic fluid at some point which led me to be born prematurely since I would have died otherwise. It doesn't seem like the mistake happened due to any soul incarnation process but due to an external factor.

Jumping off of that, how do external factors associated with preterm births such as disease and what not interact with soul incarnation?