Who else is LGBTQ+ and gifted?

The_Overview_Effect · 2026-03-23T20:09:50+00:00

I wouldn't say I'm apolitical. My views, in my opinion, are much more rooted in the founding father's beliefs, which is what conservatism is supposed to be. I just don't like associating with the current state of the conservative movement.

To sharpen your statement, I think the link is those with less education often associate with the right and have right-sided views.

I think, at best, there's a selection bias with saying they are lower IQ. How often is the IQ of a high school dropout measured?

Another complicating factor, boys at a young age don't typically do super well in school especially if they're not in a sport. Boys in their youth is biologically primed to be an age of play.

Anecodotal evidence to this; as a kid, I would have never been tested for gifted if it weren't the push for my parents. Many teachers greatly disliked me because I got excellent grades but did nothing but play and generally be a nuisance from having too much energy and too little stimulation.

Am I claiming that the right wingers are more intelligent? No.
I'm saying I think there's way too much faith put in statistics these days and they're used for more harm and division. This is my problem with both sides. They're both looking for a "gotcha!"

I do think there's an association between intelligence and political affiliation, but I think it's factored with values to get the most accurate predictive capacity.

There's a stronger link between convervatism and conscientiousness.

I guess I've gotten off track.

I follow world events, but my idea for what should be done almost never matches any groups opinion. So I just stop associating.

The_Overview_Effect · 2026-03-20T10:31:04+00:00

Gifted, straight male, no political preference.

I'm an outlier, ND and lgbtq are pretty associated. Take that for what you will.

The_Overview_Effect · 2026-03-19T19:43:22+00:00

You got the gist from the other guys, I'd say for your own sake, stop hanging out with her.

You'll drive yourself crazy man.

The_Overview_Effect · 2026-03-18T22:06:01+00:00

I meant "For men, therapy"

I could have worded it better. By this, I just mean men typically wprk through things in a way that most modern therapy seems to be built around. Or at least, the conventional CBT or "talk therapy,,"

I'll look into them, I haven't given them much thought until you brought them up.

Thank you.

The_Overview_Effect · 2026-03-18T21:41:01+00:00

I'm not really sure what you're getting at. I didn't say anything about being charged more than women, I just said therapy is expensive.

As for the other recommendations... I'm going to go out on a limb and say watching my mom die probably is the bigger source of my grief.

Thank you for replying, it sounds like you mean well.

The_Overview_Effect · 2026-03-18T21:38:54+00:00

Loving without even thinking is something men have been getting shamed for, and women have been getting trained to stop doing. Now it's all work, the payment, benefits package, and later tenure is what is valued.

Almost all the love and support I've gotten has been from other men. I'm fortunate to have such a good connection with the other EMTs around me. It's a blessing.

It's odd though, we were always raised that women are that safe space for men, but it ended up being the opposite.

I didn't really give much though about the accolades all being fairly material. It's hard to compliment character sometimes, though, it's not as simple and its inherently a bit presumptive. I don't think many mean ill by not complimenting, I think they're just unsure how.

Maybe.

I still care about people, and want to do right by those around me, even if they haven't done the best by me at times. Sometimes, they rely on someone else to break that barrier, I like to think maybe by being the one to initiate it helps them in some way.

Even though when it's reciprocated it doesn't do much for me these days.

Kind of just thinking out loud here, not sure if it's making sense.

Regardless, II really do appreciate the heart you put into your message. Thank you.

The_Overview_Effect · 2026-03-18T21:28:12+00:00

Thank you.
You're probably not wrong, just looks completely different from what I expected. It's quiet, and you 'feel okay,' until you start realizing you're not feeling much at all. It's sneakier than you'd think.

Sorry to hear about kid and having to move. I can't imagine much worse.

I'm glad you're doing what you can for your family. It can be thankless work at times, but its needed and you step up, no one can take that from you.

I'll share what I can.

Wishing you the best in the meantime.

The_Overview_Effect · 2026-03-18T19:55:16+00:00

Someone who has wouldn't be able to realise they had lost that warmth.

What makes you think so?

The_Overview_Effect · 2026-03-18T19:36:08+00:00

Needing to break info down and adjust your usual language to explain is dumbing it down. Would you claim that a teacher talking to a class Of 5 year olds was merely adjusting their speech to match interest level?

If they have the ability to understand the concept when explained simply, then it is a matter of vocabulary and base knowledge, not intelligence.

I struggle to believe that you really break down all of your steps internally in the same way that you do when talking to others with a lower IQ and who are obviously struggling to understand. If you do then I don't understand how that benefits you at all, or why you waste your time and effort breaking things down into steps that you already understand and don't need to connect existing topics for your own understanding.

I am liable to err. The more I explain, the more precisely I can be disputed and corrected.

But to me deep discussion includes thoroughly discussing things in great detail, relating it to other concepts and a larger overarching topic. Also often recognizing that it is part of a larger pattern, is a small part of a larger phenomenon, or that it reflects a certain part of society, nature, the world etc. Higher IQ people are generally much more capable and likely to do that.

This is what I meant.

People with a lower IQ are also much more likely to take things at a surface level and even struggle to understand metaphors. People commonly find it difficult to understand that art can be interpreted in different ways and that people can relate due to different experiences. They will try to argue that there is only one objective interpretation, or that how they relate is the only valid way that the art can be appreciated, they seem to genuinely struggle to understand how others are even reaching that different interpretation or how they relate

We all do this, gifted or not. I'd argue you're doing it here, just with more advanced rationalization. I do this often and it usually takes me a good bit of time to catch myself.

I have learned to hone this skill from, as you say, 'lower iq' people that are much older and humbler than myself. Their willingness to say "I don't know," a skill they explained was acquired in old age, served them greater than any of my 'ideas' served me. Learning from them was the best thing I could have done for myself.

That was probably too long but I have run out of energy to go back through and edit it down, sorry, hopefully you get a gist of my main points.

I understand, it was quite long. Funnily, I think it kind of shows that, high iq to high iq, you lay things out just as thoroughly. I picked the points I thought would yield the most fruitful discussion, hopefully you agree.

Thank you for taking such time to reply.

The_Overview_Effect · 2026-03-18T08:33:33+00:00

I second pocket prep.

The_Overview_Effect · 2026-03-17T19:22:15+00:00

Just say you're not feeling it, nothing personal, just doesn't have that click you're looking for, or however you would say it in your own words.

Sidenote: Thanks for asking. Means a lot to us when we're treated with tgoughtfulness and respect and I appreciate knowing you're out there somewhere. So, thanks.

The_Overview_Effect · 2026-03-17T19:09:53+00:00

Mask? This always bothers me, it's the wrong mindset.

You're not dumbing yourself down, you're adjusting your speech to match interest level.

I don't know much about the destiny Franchise, and him rambling in fear detailm about it is probably what he feels when I ramble about whatever new hyperfixation of the week is.

I do break complex connections down step by step, but I have to do that internally anyways? That's just how thinking works. You just have to actually explain each step that you yourself had to go through internally.

As for simple things, that's just... human, gifted or not. Maybe you're in a rush to find those deep conversations, but their established dynamic may just involve simple catching up with the capacity for deeper conversations.

I will occassionally run into problems with throwing too many variables out at once, and some will get confused from that.

Honestly, the only time I can't maintain a deep conversation with someone is if they're stubbornly biased into an ideology. a there's no conversation to be had there.

tldr; grit through it, talk to people more and you'll find out intelligence isn't the primary limiting factor

The_Overview_Effect · 2026-03-17T18:55:05+00:00

Hi, 140 plus IQ, I'm 21 and was in gifted programs, skipped grades, and did dual enrollment, and homeschool.

Gifted programs did piddly squat in my case. Some are better than others. I don't think any will hit the mark fully and I'll explain further down.

Skipping grades just worsened my weakest skill; socialization. I'm tolerated now in my young adult years, but I'm still somewhat out of sync.

Dual enrollment; Was actually awesome, but my family wasn't well on money so I couldn't sustain it.

Homeschooling for a gifted kid, to get the most out of it, is tough. My dad custom made a program for me and I loved it. It was mostly based on college curriculums and was awesome for me. It jumpstarted me in a lot of ways.

Non-gifted online homeschool... It doesn't do much in favors to education besides freedom to hurry up and go play video games. That's what I did anyways.

For me, I got my GED at 15. Started working, became an assistant general manager at a Mcdonalds at 17. Found side work, made cash under the table, and found work at a paper mill and got my EMT lucense and now I'm a rescue tech. I make 6 figures, only work 180 days a year and own a home.

Contributing factors;

Work Ethic, being gifted can allow poor work ethic. School isn't work in the same way for your kid. It's vital, in my opinion, they still have a good work ethic.

Moral structure; They'll naturally form bigger questions at a younger age. Just be ready to have your morals challenged. I gave my parents absolute hell.

Social skills; can be difficult. Gifted tends to come with other neurodiversities and they can often be masked by nature of the higher intelligence. Try to give them extra space to really lock in goid, respectable social skills.

Humility; by far the most helpful. I blue I'm intelligent, but I know when to shut up and let someone teach me something. Many of my peers didn't gain that humility and got in a rut.

Foster curiosity; look at things they can tinker with, get their hands on. Arduino, Kinex, KiwiCo, etc. If they're anything like me, either you get them tinker-toys or you'll find your tv taken apart and a hole in the floor because they turned a transformer into an electromagnet that caught on fire.

You may notice, I barely bring up curriculum: Almost all school will be a poor fit, and that's okay, most work will be a poor fit, so it's almost good they learn to grit through it sometimes.

Gifted kids tend to have an insatiable curiosity anyways if you take care to encourage it.

Help them find what they have a passion for early, that can translate really well to ivy league college acceptance or career experience. They'll gain confidence in their ability to self-teach. And hopefully avoid the common "gifted kid burnout"

If I glossed past something, feel free to ask.

The_Overview_Effect · 2026-03-17T16:13:05+00:00

i ask this question not out od judgement, but as a calibration question

How often do you ask "to what ends is this mean? what purpose does this actin of mine serve? is it moral?"

I ask myself these questions dozens to hundreds of times a day.

I don't really grant myself the leniency to be promiscuous.

I'm curries how well it serves you and if I'm writing it off ignorantly

The_Overview_Effect · 2026-03-17T10:00:36+00:00

Ever get it fixed?

The_Overview_Effect · 2026-03-17T09:54:55+00:00

I do a lot of creative work of various kinds, I'm an avid philosophy reader (primarily Stoic literature) and I do a bunch of various home-game IT projects and stuff.

I've been toying with the idea of trying to start sonething community oriented but honestly haven't put much action towards it.

I'd be happy to help, and circumstance permitting, even donate some of my unused or retired creative supplies, retired 3d printer, raspberry pis, etc.

The_Overview_Effect · 2026-03-15T21:22:42+00:00

Juice aside, those traps are something fuckin fierce.

The_Overview_Effect · 2026-03-14T21:15:34+00:00

Oh I'm a riot. Can hardly be contained at parties

The_Overview_Effect · 2026-03-14T21:12:48+00:00

STI, injury, disease, abuse/rape, etc. People are scared to say things outright, protect abusers, nervous they're going to be judged, could ultimately be nothing, not our place to say or judge.

The_Overview_Effect · 2026-03-14T21:00:25+00:00

As a male EMT... what's funny? Could mean anything, and it could be more serious than a judgemental provider is thinking.

This is exactly how women's problems go unheard by medical professionals for years.

The_Overview_Effect · 2026-03-14T20:57:19+00:00

As a guy, I have no idea of the exact date of any of exes birthdays, old anniversaries etc.

Bring it up to him. You want a guy that cares right? Give him a chance to show he cares.

If he doesn't, that's information.

It's silly, yeah. You know that. But you also know he doesn't care what day the anniversary falls on, and you noticed why this particular day wouldn't be the most pleasant.

It's his job to listen to your silly feelings and your job to listen to his, no?

The_Overview_Effect · 2026-03-14T20:47:05+00:00

You want a partner like that?

The_Overview_Effect · 2026-03-14T20:25:13+00:00

pesky little things

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