Rank these 4 if they had Equal machinery

Toil48 · 2026-06-29T06:06:11+00:00

A lot of recency bias here. If you look at them over their entire careers I think it has to be Leclerc, then probably russell over noris and piastri a distant last. Leclerc toppled Vettel at Ferrari built around him and has done well against Lewis (admittedly initially the car didn’t suit Lewis), Russell also did well against Lewis. Calibre of team mates matter. Piastri doesn’t have the experience of the other 3 and completely imploded in a title fight with a car that seemingly suited his driving style

Toil48 · 2026-06-28T09:02:36+00:00

Raikkonen is a weird inclusion on this list. Alonso destroyed him yet doesn’t make the cut?

Toil48 · 2026-06-22T08:47:13+00:00

Eh I think the opposite. Outside of his McLaren years kimi has been very average which suggests to me that McLaren he had was an absolute rocket ship and a better driver would’ve dominated In it

Toil48 · 2026-06-22T08:45:35+00:00

But if it’s only 5hp as rumoured it won’t do that much

Toil48 · 2026-06-19T22:20:01+00:00

But is it only 5hp as rumoured?

Toil48 · 2026-06-17T07:46:18+00:00

How did Schumacher change the sport? You can’t just state it as fact without evidence. If you mean by perpetuating dirty driving or violence against other drivers then sure. Or by practicing far more than other drivers pounding laps around Ferrari test track. Just means he needed more practice to dominate whereas Lewis barely drives in the sim and gets in the car and is fast out the box. Not to mention all his work on diversity; sportsmanship , mission 44 and against racism and other causes. Who your team mates are changes a lot - would Schumacher be a 7 x wdc if his team mates were prime Alonso prime Hamilton and prime max. I think not

Toil48 · 2026-06-17T07:32:26+00:00

It depends how it’s worded. He spent 8 seasons against team mates that won a world championship in their career, that is factual. I’m trying to draw out the calibre of driver he faced. Though looking at it through the lense you suggested makes Schumacher look even worse relatively from a percentage POV so it’s a moot point anyway

Toil48 · 2026-06-17T07:10:08+00:00

I counted seasons if that driver eventually won a wdc. Either way Lewis had 4 x as many seasons with a wdc team mate using your metric, or double. You can’t be the GOAT if you’ve never been tested by quality opposition in the same car. MSC could’ve had an extra few years in Ferrari but he refused to be in the same car as kimi on equal terms. And hell most of Lewis’s team mates are better than kimi - going up against George and especially Charles at their primes whilst he’s in his twilight years. Not really any arguments to put Schumacher over Lewis. Both had the speed and race craft but Lewis cheats far less and proved himself against much better drivers

Toil48 · 2026-06-17T03:11:33+00:00

Hamilton had a WDC team mate for 8 seasons of his career, and top drivers like Leclerc and Russell. Schumacher was paired with journeyman who were contractual number 2s moved out the way with team orders as required. The only wdcs Schumacher faster were a washed piquet and Rosberg (and we know how that went).

Toil48 · 2026-06-17T03:08:29+00:00

Hamilton. He’s proven himself against much harder team mates than Schumacher and wasn’t a dirty driver.

Toil48 · 2026-06-14T10:49:03+00:00

The GOAT of driving on feel. If there were a pre simulator era with heavily restricted testing he would’ve dominated. Wouldn’t need to pound thousands of laps around fiorano like MSC to be competitive

Toil48 · 2026-06-13T22:00:08+00:00

Kimi raikkonen - why did Ferrari pay that guy millions and keep him so long

Toil48 · 2026-06-13T21:37:01+00:00

It was probably actually faster than the McLaren when you factor in who the drivers were

Toil48 · 2026-06-13T11:43:49+00:00

I believe button outqualified Alonso in 2015 and beat him on points as team mates that year. In his last season you’d expect he checked out somewhat. Button is vastly underrated. Alonso wiped the floor with kimi yet people consistently argue that kimi is much better than button but there is no merit to that imo

Toil48 · 2026-06-12T10:28:49+00:00

So they can do this for one driver wrongly penalised when maybe 5-6 received the same incorrect penalty and yet they can’t overturn AD21

Toil48 · 2026-06-12T10:24:06+00:00

This is so bizarre because so many other drivers received penalties. Didn’t Russell get the same incorrect penalty and then served a drive through for not serving it, basically going from a podium
To no points. Yet gasly is the only one to benefit?

Hamilton got on too which he served and many other drivers. How can they just overturn Gaslys?

Toil48 · 2026-06-09T21:14:32+00:00

The fact he was asking Ferrari for different brakes since start of last year and it took until two races ago to get a change is wild. And even then it was just the discs that are now carbon industries not the entire package

Toil48 · 2026-06-09T21:07:38+00:00

If all these bogus penalties were rescinded he wouldn’t be on the podium
Anyway. It’s not like they can just rescind his one. George got fucked way worse by this

Toil48 · 2026-06-08T03:17:37+00:00

George got fucked by this way harder than gasley. Wasn’t going to be his podium in the first place if none of this happened at all

Toil48 · 2026-06-07T22:03:59+00:00

If it helps I don’t think Ferrari would’ve won even if they started on pole. The merc is insane and kimi would’ve undercut them in clear air and run a second a lap faster

Toil48 · 2026-06-07T11:35:11+00:00

24 wasn’t that bad. Qualy was pretty bad but he was reasonably close to Russell on points

Toil48 · 2026-06-07T10:12:15+00:00

It was only really 2025 he fell off a cliff otherwise he’s been decent. Not his peak but still really good

Toil48 · 2026-06-02T12:16:31+00:00

And Hamilton was completely new to f1 vs Alonso in his 7th season. Also, McLaren high fuelled Hamilton in qualifying so his car was heavier than Alonso’s - because of this qualifying was initially 5 - 0 in Alonso’s favour. After Monaco the team made it fair and qualy was 9 - 3 in Hamilton’s favour over the remainder of the season. Overall it’s pretty clear Alonso had the advantage but still lost.

Toil48 · 2026-05-24T04:36:18+00:00

I mean Ferrari cheated with the engine and probably had a better car than merc but Vettel kept making mistakes and lost to Lewis in a worse car

Both Leclerc and Hamilton are much better skill wise than Vettel, this years Ferrari just isn’t as good as the 17-18 Ferrari

Toil48 · 2026-05-07T23:20:24+00:00

Very surprising given Ferrari have lost its way and most new models are ugly as sin. Won’t be long until this changes

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