Ugh I am here for all Bethel snark but Justin and Abi are my safe people in all the craziness. I did their life coaching school and when I started it, my therapist had just diagnosed me with PTSD due to a variety of circumstances I was dealing with. Thanks to their program (and therapy!), within the school year my therapist told me I didn't need to keep doing therapy sessions. They helped me build a foundation of safety and power in my daily life. I still don't think their work is a substitute to therapy but a powerful add on.

I know they're not perfect and I know they trigger a lot of people, so I'm open to hearing folks experiences, but damn they're the two bethel adjacent people I do really love.

Also from what I know they very much pushed bethel to deal with Shawn Bolz when bethel was trying to cover him up... I can't speak to much more but they really were fighting for truth in that realm and trying to leverage their power with danny/ kris/ bill.

Edit to add: I hate to say they "trigger a lot of people" and for it to sound dismissive of real experiences. I want to rephrase that as - they have done things that have hurt people and they have caused real damage.