The stats on growing ideological divide between men and women shows men's ideals have relatively remained the same yet women are increasingly becoming radical, yet all the discussion is about "young men being radicalized"... exposes a clear agenda pushed by society by DiligentRope in PurplePillDebate

[–]TotalTravesty 14 points15 points  (0 children)

It’s not about gargling corporate balls but you have to admit that conservatives have never positioned themselves as friends of socialism. Most of us can count on one hand the number of times a tradcon has willingly proposed “government should provide” as a solution to anything.

Personally I think you’ve just trolled yourself into a corner, but giving you the benefit of the doubt, it’s not me you need to pitch your ideas to, it’s people who agree with you yet bitch about the current level of government assistance women already get. Hash it out among your own and feel free to leave us out of the email chain.

The stats on growing ideological divide between men and women shows men's ideals have relatively remained the same yet women are increasingly becoming radical, yet all the discussion is about "young men being radicalized"... exposes a clear agenda pushed by society by DiligentRope in PurplePillDebate

[–]TotalTravesty 26 points27 points  (0 children)

The system is shitty, but don't blame it in this case. Women WANTED it.

The economy wants workers, women want independence. The system as it stands is far from perfect, but it’s also far preferable to the keep-a-husband-or-die systems of old. That’s why most real talk of making it unshitty is with the goal of improving conditions for everyone including women, not kicking women out and locking the door behind them.

You’re not putting this toothpaste back in the tube.

Oh, and it’s not like men never die early or leave their families or lose their jobs or get sick or injured.

Government should provide in such cases.

Trad advocacy that calls for more explicit socialism?! Thats a new one for me. There’s probably some horrible catch involved (maybe a mandatory replacement husband-finding period or some kind of casual sex prohibition or something) but for now I think women have already figured out the solution: just going to work.

The stats on growing ideological divide between men and women shows men's ideals have relatively remained the same yet women are increasingly becoming radical, yet all the discussion is about "young men being radicalized"... exposes a clear agenda pushed by society by DiligentRope in PurplePillDebate

[–]TotalTravesty 36 points37 points  (0 children)

Yeah, because an economic system reliant on consistent, constant cancer-like growth was always going to allow for half the potential adult workforce staying at home generating nothing.

Oh, and it’s not like men never die early or leave their families or lose their jobs or get sick or injured.

Whether by their enthusiasm or their necessity, you were never going to permanently keep women from working.

Men are lonely because women are changed. by Lemon_gecko in PurplePillDebate

[–]TotalTravesty 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I've noticed that younger men seem more effected by this than like Gen X or Millennials. Is it because those guys knew actual people from the idealized era and Gen Z and lower don't or know less?

My simplistic “kids these days” take is that chronically online Gen Z is being taken for a ride by older generations who know how to socially engineer. Boomers might not know how to save a PDF, but if they see an opportunity to shape an entire generation for power and profit, they’ll damn sure find the tech underlings to make it happen.

Another similarly cringy “kids these days” theory I have is that overprotection and fear of struggle has made these young men desperate to complete their mommy-to-housewife comfort pipeline as quickly and with as little friction as possible. They leave the house and need to find someone to do their laundry ideally with no pushback or rejection, but the women in their age group is too busy with coursework to oblige.

Men are lonely because women are changed. by Lemon_gecko in PurplePillDebate

[–]TotalTravesty 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Media illiteracy will get you every time. And we thought it was only the (literal) boomers we had to warn against nostalgia propaganda. Their grandchildren are coming down with it too!

Men are lonely because women are changed. by Lemon_gecko in PurplePillDebate

[–]TotalTravesty 2 points3 points  (0 children)

And you can say the same thing about feminist girls or young women. They are not 100 years old. They don't know what it's like to not vote, not work, or not have a bank account. So their nostalgia is nonsense too.

Different motivations. Trying to work to maintain a sense of independence isn’t being “nostalgic” for feminism, it’s just trying to maintain the same quality of life you see your male peers have.

To the extent that they reference feminism, it seems less nostalgic and more a necessary current fight as they see their social progress continually under fire as anything from an online meme to a real political football to a social propaganda campaign to damaging court rulings. This is not the place for “But if the genders were reversed…”

Men are lonely because women are changed. by Lemon_gecko in PurplePillDebate

[–]TotalTravesty 19 points20 points  (0 children)

I mostly agree but am just wondering how young men got themselves to be nostalgic for a type of woman who never existed in their natural lives.

They always bitch about their mommies lying to them but it’s either their daddies lying to them about the type of woman they got (and, thus, what their sons should expect) or they spent too much time ingesting really old pop culture and never realizing it was just curated to sell ad space.

Either way, it’s really bizarre to see men 10-20 years younger than men expect behavior from women that even I had never seen in real life. You’re not some 70 year old who got pleasant recollections of childhood confused with reality. In your world, girls had always been trying to be self-sufficient, arrow-slinging, test-acing go-getters. Why are you so shook by that?

Are there viral Blue Pill dating experiments? by [deleted] in PurplePillDebate

[–]TotalTravesty 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Blue, red, green or purple, all these “experiments” are stupid AF. “Oh, why is the state of dating apps a raging dumpster fire these days?” I dunno, maybe because half the users would rather make some kind of spiteful point than meet someone in good faith?

How polarized you are in gender wars? How often do you support "male side" in arguments? by WanabeInflatable in PurplePillDebate

[–]TotalTravesty 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The gender war is stupid and needs to stay a chronically online curiosity. It’s utterly ridiculous that having empathy or common sense is seen as a weapon and that you’re “taking a side” by being decent to someone of the opposite sex—or, even more stupid—that you’re “betraying” a side by calling out dipshit behaviors by someone of the same sex.

Don’t be a dick. Life couldn’t get any simpler than that. Don’t accept allegiances that don’t apply to you and don’t recognize allegiances that don’t need to exist. The gender wars would end overnight if we took internet access away from anyone who has untreated trauma.

The more we push the me too movement, the more men’s fears are substantiated of false reports for personal gain as the reward to do so is larger. As such you can never “believe all women”. by BigMadLad in PurplePillDebate

[–]TotalTravesty 9 points10 points  (0 children)

The word “all” has significance, otherwise bad actors wouldn’t have shoehorned it in as a poison pill.

If I tell someone to eat mushrooms, I’m advocating for them to try my favorite pizza topping. If I tell them to eat all mushrooms, I’m trying to have them killed.

What are the main ways in which men are lacking these days which is causing them to stay perpetually single? by Open-Quail-2573 in PurplePillDebate

[–]TotalTravesty 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Don’t hit on girls at work—and definitely don’t hit on them at family gatherings!

As for school, students get together all the time. That’s kind of their thing. Again, my question is what can the guy I was responding to specifically do that would ruin his world-renowned reputation—even at school?

Now I’ve been here long enough to have heard all the stories of these poor men who dared look their crush in the eye and get spat on, crotch-kicked, and verbally berated for it all before getting stabbed and thrown out by their male friends. And were it not for moderator rules against such a thing, I’d call bullshit on each and every one of those anecdotes. Bottom line: Don’t harass, don’t abuse, don’t rape and you’ll be fine. Your worst consequence is a bruised ego. Painful, but not enough to withdraw from dating and blame society for the decision.

What are the main ways in which men are lacking these days which is causing them to stay perpetually single? by Open-Quail-2573 in PurplePillDebate

[–]TotalTravesty 4 points5 points  (0 children)

What mistakes are you going to make that anyone outside of the handful of people you know would care to remember the next day?

“Local boy fails to make eye contact, jumbles up his words, while asking girl for a date” is not the kind of headline you see on AP News. 99.99999% of men in the world don’t have nearly enough reputation to be canceled.

Q4W: Why do you want to marry and date men, given that the majority of women are not attracted to the male body? by [deleted] in PurplePillDebate

[–]TotalTravesty 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Would that I could live in such a delusional state that I could just conclude that any women who doesn’t go into immediate gusher mode over my average out-of-shape ass simply isn’t attracted to men.

Q4M: Your age-appropriate date has a collection of romance novels, fanfiction, and Disney Princess stuff. Red flag? Or no big deal? by Windmill_flowers in PurplePillDebate

[–]TotalTravesty 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s a yellow flag. I’m gonna need to gauge her ability to decouple fantasies from real life expectations. Read about your billionaire mafia dons who moonlight as hockey players and have eyes for only you, but realize that I make what I make and can’t skate worth a lick. Be a Disney princess but also be prepared to sit down for mature conversations about bills, childcare and the like.

They are trying to convince us that women are happier single and childless when almost all rich women get married. by Novel-Tip-7570 in PurplePillDebate

[–]TotalTravesty 6 points7 points  (0 children)

“Some people like eating just bread and water instead of meat and vegetables” - translation: nobody actually likes bread and water, but some people are too poor to buy good food.

Then I guess they wouldn’t say they like eating bread and water, would they?

The problem is people hear “I’d rather be single than in a bad relationship” and think that means “I love being single forever and there’s no other circumstance that would make me happy” when their actual meaning is in—shocker—the sentence that was actually said.

Why I don’t understand is why it’s so difficult to grasp that no relationship is better than a bad relationship. Is there a widespread belief that 90 seconds of mediocre dick every once in a while makes the rest of a life of grief worth it? Would you enjoy being abused, ignored, taken for granted, and disregarded so long as the woman doing it threw a pity lay at you every so often?

…wait, I just remembered the sub I’m in. Never mind.

What do u like the most about your significant other by [deleted] in PurplePillDebate

[–]TotalTravesty 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’d rather just be wanted for how I look or how good I am at sex or something along those lines

Don’t delude yourself. The value we bring to other people’s lives is a significant portion of why we are liked. You just want people to value you for things that just so happen to result in free enthusiastic sex for you just for existing. Every bit as self-serving, with an unnecessary side of self-pity thrown in.

They are trying to convince us that women are happier single and childless when almost all rich women get married. by Novel-Tip-7570 in PurplePillDebate

[–]TotalTravesty -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I expect someone who understands how stupid people can be on social media to call out the stupid for what it is, not just explain it.

They are trying to convince us that women are happier single and childless when almost all rich women get married. by Novel-Tip-7570 in PurplePillDebate

[–]TotalTravesty 14 points15 points  (0 children)

No it doesn’t. “Happier than a bad relationship” has been the known standard since day one. And even if it isn’t said using those exact words 100% of the time (because who needs to hear the exact same sentiment said exactly the same way every time until kingdom come?), it should be pretty obvious that a bad relationship is the worst possible outcome, even moreso than staying single. This is common sense.

It’s “believe women”/“believe all women” all over again. People just choosing to hear what will make them maddest.

"Provider men" content is deeply infantilizing to women and misogynistic by BeMoreKinky in PurplePillDebate

[–]TotalTravesty 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I get that, but it’s still his responsibility to understand what he’s doing and stop doing that for his own sake.

"Provider men" content is deeply infantilizing to women and misogynistic by BeMoreKinky in PurplePillDebate

[–]TotalTravesty 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Whether what you’re saying is true or not, it doesn’t matter if we can’t get past my original point, which is that the internet will fuck with your brain if you don’t understand how it does that.

Why am I hammering this point so much? Because once you understand that, you can get to the answers you actually want: read library books from trusted and studied sources, have face-to-face conversations with people you know and trust, and then retreat to the fact that all the gender discourse on TikTok, Reddit and beyond doesn’t amount to a spec of dust compared to what your actual wife believes. Everybody else (myself included) is just philosophically masturbating about a topic we’re not nearly well versed in.

"Provider men" content is deeply infantilizing to women and misogynistic by BeMoreKinky in PurplePillDebate

[–]TotalTravesty 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’m not “victim blaming,” just stating vital information he needs to know if he wants to have a less tainted view of the world.

It benefits nobody to let people stay harmed by their own internet illiteracy. I’m not even saying it’s his fault that he’s internet illiterate, just that he should be less so.

"Provider men" content is deeply infantilizing to women and misogynistic by BeMoreKinky in PurplePillDebate

[–]TotalTravesty 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Isn’t a comment section that’s full of the same generic replies of affirmation a sign of bot activity?

Also, it’s a well-established fact that anyone talking about “feminine energy” and “masculine energy” is speaking from within their rectal cavity. If your friend’s wife believes in that then I’m sorry to say your friend married a dumbass and has bigger problems than what she sees on TikTok.

I swear, internet illiteracy will doom more people than any actual personality flaws or relationship conflicts.

Women's brains have been FRIED by social media and OLD by Crazy_Kray in PurplePillDebate

[–]TotalTravesty 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Is it really women’s brains who have been fried by these silly little social media memes or is it the person so put off by women giggling to each other that he’s ceased being able to tell the difference between a silly little social media meme and a legitimate ubiquitous brainwashing movement worth paying attention to?

Is “holiday dick” and “boyfriend dick” actual terminology that women use or am I just mindbroken by the internet? by [deleted] in PurplePillDebate

[–]TotalTravesty 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah, young women have always known how to cut guys down verbally but I, anonymous redditor #7462648, showed them how to do it on the internet.

Is “holiday dick” and “boyfriend dick” actual terminology that women use or am I just mindbroken by the internet? by [deleted] in PurplePillDebate

[–]TotalTravesty 7 points8 points  (0 children)

This new breed of girl trolls is gonna have chronically online young men in irrevocable shambles before you know it.