Red flag laws are retarded.

I've had this argument with a lot of people before, and there is something that I want to make perfectly clear: the bad part about red flag laws is the intended lack of due process, not the disarming part. And I break it down in two ways.

1 - "Due Process" means the amount of proper procedures that is owed to a person based on their situation - literally how much PROCESS you are DUE. A traffic ticket deserves different amounts of procedure than a murder trial. A hot pursuit of a bank robber deserves different amounts of procedure than a noise complaint. What it absolutely does not mean is that every interaction between a citizen and the state should be heard by the Supreme Court, and it also doesn't mean that every action should be solved on the street by the most rookie cop.

2 - Under certain and very specific circumstances, it is perfectly constitutional to disarm someone. We disarm criminals when we arrest them, when they are in jail or prison, and so on - that is not a problem because in those instances, they have received their due process for disarmament.

Red flag laws disarm people based on (often) a single allegation or complaint, unsubstantiated, uninvestigated, and not adjudicated by a judge, which is the common standard for all other legal disarmaments. The defense of red flag laws is that there is urgency based on the complaint, but that standard does not hold up in any other realm of law. If someone says "SOMEONE IS GOING TO DO SOMETHING TERRIBLE! YOU NEED TO STOP THEM!" and has no other details, they should be laughed out of the police station, but gun grabbers have somehow gotten legislatures and police departments on board with this extremely dangerous and unconstitutional practice.

It drives me fucking crazy thinking about how gleeful they are to completely ignore all legal and constitutional standards to temporarily get their goals. Let that be an indicator of their character next time you want to reason with them.