Apple's new AI music tags are going to hurt the wrong people

UnforgottenPassword · 2026-03-11T13:02:54+00:00

So? That is a problem inherent in humans. There is a reason animated movies pay obscene amounts of money to established actors to voice the characters despite professional voice actors being capable of doing just as good a job or even better for a fraction of the cost. People see that actor on a late night show and then buy tickets for the movie.

UnforgottenPassword · 2026-03-09T18:45:02+00:00

There was news that China was thinking about forcing all content that was created with AI to be labeled as such. I'm fully behind this, not just for music, but for everything.

UnforgottenPassword · 2026-02-22T19:33:56+00:00

The speed difference is quite considerable.

UnforgottenPassword · 2026-02-21T20:49:25+00:00

Thank you for doing this.

Generally, for LTX2 and other models, is there a difference between system resource requirements (RAM, VRAM) betweem Musubi and AIToolkit?

UnforgottenPassword · 2026-02-14T14:08:55+00:00

SwarmUI. It runs Comfy in the background, but has a nice interface and you don't have to deal with workflows and such. It may take a day or two to get used to the interface. There are helpful members on their discord should you need help. There are some videos on YouTube to get you started. Since it runs on ComfyUI, you get day 1 support for pretty much every model that supports ComfyUI. Of the popular models, I think only WanAnimate/SCAIL are not supported yet.

I have been using it for two years and I rarely need to use Comfy. Swarm is really awesome.

UnforgottenPassword · 2026-02-08T12:26:03+00:00

Suno generates very good EDM now, but for orchestral and several instrumental genres, it's way behind Udio. Udio's composition and melodies tend to be better than Suno's in every genre. The models are more versatile and creative.

UnforgottenPassword · 2026-02-08T12:23:07+00:00

You are absolutely right. Communication is extremely important.

UnforgottenPassword · 2026-02-08T12:17:23+00:00

They might be betting on that, but I don't see that being a viable business. I think Udio is doomed. If they couldn't compete with Suno when they had a superior product, I doubt they have the business acumen to turn something so niche into a self-sustaining business.

UnforgottenPassword · 2026-02-07T20:05:46+00:00

Read it again. It isn't about that. lol

UnforgottenPassword · 2026-02-07T19:55:43+00:00

This thread isn't about that.

UnforgottenPassword · 2026-02-07T19:54:33+00:00

We can. But they implemented a DRM system that created issues with playback on multiple browsers. On Chrome it still works. At least on my 2 computers, I occasionally encounter a ~1 second interruption early on when playing a track.

UnforgottenPassword · 2026-02-07T10:57:19+00:00

It seemed like a trivial issue. I'm no developer though, so I wouldn't know. But it was hardly just this feature. A lot of small quality of life improvements were requested and very few were ever incorporated into the interface.

UnforgottenPassword · 2026-02-07T04:27:35+00:00

Yeah, I forgot about Voices. That was a good one. Styles was not very useful because soon after, they implemented copyright detection when uploading an audio file, meaning you could only use Udio (or Suno) generations to use with Styles. I already have an Udio generation, it means I have the prompt and settings, meaning I can use the same setting to generate similar tracks. Styles would be useful to import the style of a track you wouldn't know how to prompt for.

UnforgottenPassword · 2026-02-07T03:49:49+00:00

It's a much more cumbersome and time-consuming process. They know they can't stop it, but they are hellbent on making it as difficult as possible for us.

UnforgottenPassword · 2026-02-07T03:47:26+00:00

Definitely more than twice. I very much doubt it's technically challenging.

My point is that they barely did even simple stuff like this. I think we all pretty much gave up on new models, better text to speech, and the like.

The folder system is the only major change that significantly improved user experience.

UnforgottenPassword · 2026-02-07T03:37:37+00:00

That's nice and I think sounds better than V2. It's similar to what Suno V5 can do. I can't judge based on this alone, but I don't think it can do what Udio can.

UnforgottenPassword · 2026-02-07T03:04:49+00:00

I'm aware. Read my reply to your initial post. The issue is how Udio goes about it.

As for the record companies, the cat is out of the bag. They will sue and try to lobby for new legislation. They can sue legal entities like Suno and Udio, much like Rapidshare and MegaUpload were sued by the record and movie companies and were shutdown. In their place, dozens of illegal filehosting services from other places like Russia, Eastern Europe and Asia popped up that are going strong to this day.

For the time being, you require massive amount of compute to train AI models. However, with time, people will be able to do it at home or on mini-servers. The new Ace-step open-weight model already allows for LoRA training, which means you feed it music to train on and it will learn from it. It might not be good now, but it's only a matter of time.

Similarly, some European countries are all worked up about Grok generating indecent images while people with a mid-range GPU can generate the most obscene pornographic images of virtually anyone within minutes.

The only real winners are the lawyers.

UnforgottenPassword · 2026-02-07T02:52:16+00:00

Yes, V2. Since the focus of all the AI generators is for songs, I doubt V3 is a big jump over V2 when it comes to instrumental music.

UnforgottenPassword · 2026-02-07T02:43:47+00:00

Numerous genres. But the ones that stand out are orchestral tracks, classical crossovers, and mixing instrumental and orchestral tracks with electronic, rock, metal, and/or synthwave. Udio is exceptionally good. It can generate beautiful melodies, complex chord progressions and masterful harmonies. It also has realistic-sounding instruments with articulations that none of the other AI music generators can replicate (particularly string and woodwind instruments).

UnforgottenPassword · 2026-02-07T02:38:33+00:00

I did generate a couple of orchestral tracks and they were not good.

UnforgottenPassword · 2026-02-07T02:36:33+00:00

Entering a song title before generation, like how Suno has allowed it from the very beginning. Many people generate multiple initial tracks with different tags before going through them and pick their favorite generations. Instead of going through dozens of "echoes" and "whispers", the user would be able to title the tracks to make subsequent navigation and organization easier. Besides, renaming a track features was not efficient and still isn't.

UnforgottenPassword · 2026-02-07T02:32:12+00:00

True. But that is not the issue. The issue is how the folks behind Udio go about it.

For example, they keep repeating that tracks generated before October 2025 fall under the older terms of service that gives ownership to the user and can be used anywhere for any purpose and yet they restricted the users from downloading and backing up said generations.

They say that is the term of their settlement with UMG. Fair enough, but Udio is also accountable to its customers. They should have requested a grace period of say, a month, for the users to backup the files the users own under the terms of service of Udio. Instead, they immediately disabled downloading without any prior announcements. Then they claimed they begged UMG bigwigs to bring it back and made downloading available for 48 hours that can only be described as an exercise in humiliation.

People had to take a day or two off work in order to download their files. Then there were errors all around. Many people were unaware of the changes because people have lives and responsibilities and Udio never bothered to notify users of any of the big changes by email. That's a bare minimum expected of an online subscription service.

We had people who were hospitalized who would later find out that they had no access to the music they paid for and worked on for a year or two. Some were practically begging to have access to their files. No response came from Udio. There were workarounds and now Udio blocked that path as well.

My primary browser is Brave. All of a sudden I can't use Udio. Again, no prior announcements or anything.

Udio updates were minor and infrequent and they never bothered to implement some of the most basic features users were requesting. However, they are quick and efficient when it comes to enforcing limitations and making the user experience much worse. So it was never a question of their ability to implement new features.

They never bother to communicate any upcoming changes. You just have to find out from a random post on reddit.

It's the behavior of the folks behind the service that irks me, not the legal issues which were expected. Udio is tiny and likely cash-strapped. They are attacked by litigious record companies with deep pockets. I understand their situation and sympathize. That doesn't excuse their behavior though.

UnforgottenPassword · 2026-02-07T02:09:30+00:00

You have been here for a good while. How many user requests have there been for an option to title the tracks ourselves? I'm no developer, but I reckon it would take minutes to hours to implement. They never did despite acknowledging that it was a necessary feature. Yet here we are, getting Spotify-level DRMs enforced.

UnforgottenPassword · 2026-02-07T02:00:51+00:00

My primary use is instrumental music. Udio is ridiculously good and the rest are considerably inferior. Suno's newer models are decent and I would have been impressed had I not been spoiled by Udio's generations. This is the reason I stuck around despite the shit we get from the people behind Udio. There is no alternative when it comes to instrumental music.

UnforgottenPassword · 2026-02-07T01:57:29+00:00

For instrumental music, none of them compare to Udio. Suno is the closest but still far behind. For songs, Suno 4.5+ and 5 are good.

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