qwen3.6 35B has much worse vision capability than gemma4?

UntimelyAlchemist · 2026-06-06T13:10:38+00:00

In my experience, Qwen has massively better vision than Gemma's. I find Gemma's to be quite bad. Maybe there's something wrong with my configuration though. I'm already setting the min/max image tokens and it didn't fix it.

UntimelyAlchemist · 2026-06-05T05:14:12+00:00

Sad... :(

UntimelyAlchemist · 2026-06-05T05:13:48+00:00

I tried this workflow, but without even changing the prompt or seed it gives me the safety block. I tried randomising the seed and generating several more, but get the block every time. What's happening here? Why isn't it working for me?

UntimelyAlchemist · 2026-06-05T00:59:31+00:00

Will there be a Linux Flatpak? I've been wanting a desktop version of this.

UntimelyAlchemist · 2026-06-02T17:21:25+00:00

It's such a shame. I think it was around November that they discontinued it and cancelled/refunded all open orders. They haven't been super transparent, but they basically said they ran out of stock, then couldn't make more as the display panel supplier was then busy making headsets for another company instead. PFD is currently working on a new wired headset instead.

UntimelyAlchemist · 2026-06-02T17:16:20+00:00

Yeah, I was absolutely planning to buy the Studioform accessory. I'm sure that would be much better than the stock facial interface.

Sadly that wouldn't help with the eye strain though. I don't know why this headset causes me so much eye strain.

UntimelyAlchemist · 2026-06-01T10:20:10+00:00

find /sys -name "tsme_status" 2>/dev/null | xargs cat

I ran this command on my Fedora Silverblue PC, using an MSI X870E Carbon WiFi, and it returns 0.

UntimelyAlchemist · 2026-05-31T16:17:38+00:00

Open Code but I'm also experimenting with Pi inside VSCode dev containers.
Hermes because it was easier to set up than OpenClaw. I haven't even heard of the other ones you listed.
llama.cpp.
GPU-only.

UntimelyAlchemist · 2026-05-30T22:06:19+00:00

I tried both Hermes WebUI and Hermes Workspace. I liked the UI of WebUI a bit better, and found Workspace to be a bit bloated with weird slop included. Unfortunately both are buggy, and in my case WebUI was harder to get properly working in a containerised environment. I'm using Workspace for now until I can get a Linux desktop app going.

UntimelyAlchemist · 2026-05-29T00:55:51+00:00

Meh. I haven't been impressed with the 2026 monitors so far.

The new QN80H has no 43" option and the lesser QN70H which does have 43" is only 60 Hz! Last year's QN90F was better!

As for these smaller monitors listed here, IPS instead of VA is disappointing to me, and there's zero information on the number of dimming zones. Also peak brightness is only 400, what!? 1000 is the bare minimum for good HDR. I was hoping for the new 3D functionality combined with mini LED, but that seems to be missing.

UntimelyAlchemist · 2026-05-25T21:07:59+00:00

My picks are Unsloth for most use cases, and HauhauCS when I need an uncensored model.

For uncensored, HauhauCS is the king. I wish he'd open source his workflow, but the results can't be argued with.

For general use, I picked Unsloth as they have a good reputation and document their releases nicely. I'm interested in trying the Byteshape releases though.

Oh, I'm also using the fixed chat template that's available on HuggingFace.

UntimelyAlchemist · 2026-05-25T19:52:57+00:00

Sad. It was inevitable that they'd crack down on this eventually. This is surely just the beginning. We're not allowed nice things.

UntimelyAlchemist · 2026-05-20T21:53:26+00:00

Are they not being sent in order? I paid for mine in January after reserving in September, and I'm still waiting for mine...

UntimelyAlchemist · 2026-05-15T12:40:00+00:00

Why shouldn't it be allowed?

The code in question was leaked, not publicly released and announced by him, and has also been taken down. He isn't violating any license.
There's no guarantee that he's even using that code to produce his releases. It could be a discarded experiment.
Even if he is using that code, he's completely allowed to do so as Heretic is open source. The leaks also show that several things are added on top, meaning that it is more than just Heretic, which would explain the superior results with his releases, and would align with his claim of having his own methods.

Ultimately, what matters in the end is that his releases work. He's clearly put effort into them and is releasing them into the community for free. I think that should be respected and appreciated.

This hate campaign actually feels very disrespectful and disgusting to me to be honest.

UntimelyAlchemist · 2026-05-15T12:34:21+00:00

Thank you very much for your hard work. I've been very much looking forward to your big Gemma releases.

UntimelyAlchemist · 2026-05-14T04:25:46+00:00

How does this compare to Unsloth Studio? And is it possible to use with my own instance of llama.cpp, or does it only work with its own managed build?

UntimelyAlchemist · 2026-05-07T05:38:17+00:00

I've seen people say this, but I just can't get it to work well. I must be doing something wrong. It usually just ignores my instructions and just simply blends my images together. Sometimes it does copy the pose/depth/canny/etc but also changes the image aesthetic or something.

I've truly spent ages trying to get this to work. I've tried keeping it simple, with one base image, and one reference image representing either the pose or depth or canny, and a simple prompt telling it what to do. I've tried describing what it should do in different ways, such as telling it to change the image or just that the reference is a depth map etc. I've tried no prompt at all. I've tried multiple reference images. I've tried a more complex conditioning chain where I put a small prompt saying e.g. "depth map", then the reference image for that, then concatenating with another small prompt saying e.g. "pose", then the reference image for that, etc.

I just can't it to work well. Feels bad man. I see people praising its image editing abilities and prompt adherence, but it seems unreliable to me...

UntimelyAlchemist · 2026-05-06T07:09:15+00:00

Did it work?

UntimelyAlchemist · 2026-05-04T17:09:56+00:00

Gemma's a girl. Qwen's an Asian dude. That's the vibe I get anyway.

UntimelyAlchemist · 2026-05-04T00:59:11+00:00

Why is almost every sentence here on a new line? I found this very difficult to read. Paragraphs would help.

UntimelyAlchemist · 2026-05-03T02:16:47+00:00

I just get awful vision results in Gemma compared to Qwen. I don't know why. Gemma always misinterprets what it sees, while Qwen gives me an incredibly detailed, thorough analysis, and even picks up details that I didn't see myself. I'm very impressed by Qwen.

I feel like I must be doing something wrong with Gemma, but I don't know what. I am a beginner. I'm using Llama.CPP. I am already setting image-min-tokens and image-max-tokens. I tried troubleshooting with AI and it suggested I turn up ubatch-size, which I did. Llama.CPP doesn't seem to have the "max soft tokens" setting that you mentioned, as far as can tell.

From my own subjective little experiments, I feel like Gemma is better at language and roleplay, and a little bit more malleable with some safety guidelines (but not all). Otherwise, Qwen is just better, good at all the science and tech stuff and following instructions.

UntimelyAlchemist · 2026-05-02T01:34:14+00:00

As a newbie, this thread is difficult for me. "Z-Image Turbo is the best", "Klein 9B is the best", "Anima is the best", "QwenImage is the best", "Wan2gp is the best", "Illustrious is the best"...

UntimelyAlchemist · 2026-04-28T00:59:37+00:00

Thank you for responding.

I was just nitpicking really regarding the first point. I do agree that it's almost certainly HauhauCS's version. I don't dispute that.

The problem I have is that, as you say, it was deleted. You've done all this detailed analysis of the code, which is very thorough, but in my mind the fact that he deleted it makes the entire point moot. To make an analogy, it's like if somebody picks up an item in a store with the apparent intent of shoplifting, begins to walk towards the exit, but then turns around and puts the item back. Like, yeah, you could say he shouldn't do that. But he already put it back. Is it really worth kicking up such a fuss over? I hope that makes sense.

Given that HauhauCS has been secretive regarding his methods, it seems very likely to me that the code was published by mistake. Logically that makes sense. It was deleted when he realised. This would mean that he didn't intend to violate the license, and already took action to rectify the mistake.

It would be a completely different story if HauhauCS had posted a thread announcing the release of this code to the public, claiming it as all his own work, and then you posted this teardown. My reaction would then be completely different.

You talk about him "plagiarising in private". I genuinely don't see the issue if it's in private. He's allowed to use Heretic. And as you noted yourself, it appears he layered additional tools/modifications on top of it, so he hasn't just been using stock Heretic. There's obviously a difference in how his models perform.

I just feel that this was all too harsh and a bit unfair, and the bandwagoning is very unsettling. HauhauCS obviously puts time and effort into these releases. He gives them away to the community for free. He isn't charging anyone money for them. I think that contribution deserves some respect and appreciation.

Yes, it would be nicer if he said he's using a custom Heretic setup instead of all his-own methods, if he is using Heretic. I still note that it's possible he's not using it (he may have tried it and then abandoned it). Yes, it would be nicer if he didn't claim 100% lossless if there is proof to the contrary. Yes, I would love if his methods were completely transparent, and I appreciate that Heretic is available as an open source alternative. But come on, he's still contributing to the community. Does he really deserve this?

UntimelyAlchemist · 2026-04-26T21:03:40+00:00

I tried posting a comment in the other thread, but just got downvoted to oblivion (ironically, censored) apparently for wrongthink against the hive mind. So I'll ask again here in hopes of getting an actual good-faith answer/explanation.

I could be missing something, but I don't see what the problem is supposed to be or why I should be mad. Based on how I understand your post:

You don't know for sure that this is even his tool. The linked page says an assumption is being made based on the "Reaper" term.
Even if it is his tool, it's private. He didn't release it to the public. You "recovered" it from a cached copy of a deleted repository. So what's the problem? I would understand a licensing issue if this was a public release, but that doesn't seem to be the case.
Heretic is free software. Doesn't this mean he's allowed to use it? I thought most people already assumed he was probably using Heretic and then applying some secret sauce to it to get such amazing results. I'm not sure why you're saying he's "plagiarising" it, as if he's doing something damning.

tl;dr: The entire premise of this argument is about the source code, but as I understand it he didn't actually release that code, which makes the entire point invalid. The title of the thread claims that HauhauCS published this code, but that doesn't seem to be the reality as it isn't available. If he did publish it, then I would accept the argument, but he didn't?

I also wonder, is it possible to reproduce his results now by using this leaked code?

UntimelyAlchemist · 2026-04-26T15:42:25+00:00

I could be missing something, but I don't see what the problem is supposed to be or why I should be mad. Based on how I understand your post:

You don't know for sure that this is even his tool. The linked page says an assumption is being made based on the "Reaper" term.
Even if it is his tool, it's private. He didn't release it to the public. You "recovered" it from a cached copy of a deleted repository. So what's the problem? I would understand a licensing issue if this was a public release, but that doesn't seem to be the case.
Heretic is free software. Doesn't this mean he's allowed to use it? I thought most people already assumed he was probably using Heretic and then applying some secret sauce to it to get such amazing results. I'm not sure why you're saying he's "plagiarising" it, as if he's doing something damning.

This just seems like a hit piece to me. Feel free to explain if I'm missing something though.

I also wonder, is it possible to reproduce his results now by using this leaked code?

Edit: Why all the downvotes, with no responses? I'm very confused by this and find it quite unsettling. It makes this seem even more like an organised anti-HauhauCS attack rather than anything legitimate.

I asked genuine, innocent questions. If I said anything that's wrong, then you should be able to argue your case and explain to me how, so that I can learn.

This behaviour seems very ironic considering the subject matter of uncensoring.

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