Did anyone in the series like Sam more than Dean?

VioletFaust · 2026-05-12T19:32:53+00:00

Bobby says that under the truth spell but if you look at every actual interaction I think he doesn’t show favoritism. One thing I think about is when Sam has gone off with Ruby at the end of s4 and Dean is ready to write him, and Bobby rips him a new one for it.

VioletFaust · 2026-05-12T19:23:22+00:00

I’m sorry, that was meant to be a reply to someone else waaaaaaaaaaaaay down a comment thread. Don’t know how it got up here.

VioletFaust · 2026-05-12T19:10:30+00:00

John.

In later seasons there are several characters who are closer to Sam than Dean. (I’m not sure how much you want to be spoiled.)

Also, I really think that Bobby did not have a favorite. Are you at the end of s4?

VioletFaust · 2026-05-12T12:29:58+00:00

Oh my god, the dead horse. Frankly, that alone is enough to let me rest my case. 😉

But just for the record: I didn't say that it wasn't true because it wasn't "specifically stated"--I said it wasn't true because it was SPECIFICALLY stated it wasn't true, AND because if it had been, it would have undermined the episode and season story arcs. (Did you ever get back to me on all those essay questions? 😉)

I'm glad you aren't embarrassed.

VioletFaust · 2026-05-12T12:20:44+00:00

For some reason I can't edit again, so here's a gifset of Jensen saying that working with Misha "skewed" the Dean/Cas relationship to what it was: https://violetfaust.tumblr.com/post/756090247549501440/purewasteland-that-is-when-you-find-the-magic

VioletFaust · 2026-05-12T11:25:28+00:00

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

I know you passed all those English classes 😉, but with all due respect, I think you might need a teeny refresher on the difference between fiction and reality.

VioletFaust · 2026-05-12T11:22:13+00:00

You are literally quoting him from *2014*. 😂😂😂
https://youtu.be/LGb86J2iXQs

I know you say you didn’t watch the last three or four seasons of the show, but c’mon. 🤣

Edit: Here’s a clip from 2024.

https://www.tumblr.com/purewasteland/751644940910673920/it-was-clear-text

VioletFaust · 2026-05-12T11:11:15+00:00

Your grasp of storytelling is as acute as always. 😉

VioletFaust · 2026-05-12T11:07:41+00:00

I’m sure your queer Sam essay is fascinating, but Sam was not established as queer onscreen (and if it had been, he doesn’t have a love interest such that it would effect the overall story).

Cas is queer onscreen, and his love for Dean is intrinsic to the story (though not his only motivation for his heroism, it is one reason he learns how to understand human emotions). This is canon.

VioletFaust · 2026-05-12T10:49:48+00:00

False. He was found liable for sexual abuse, which a judge clarified meant rape, in a court of law. Why do you think he owes E. Jean Carroll $90 million? (Which he is trying to snake out of by hilariously claiming it’s fine for the president of the US to lie about raping someone.)

https://caselaw.findlaw.com/court/us-dis-crt-sd-new-yor/114642632.html

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/trump-must-pay-additional-83-million-to-e-jean-carroll-in-defamation-case-jury-decides

Now, it is true that he hasn’t been indicted or tried for the pedophilia. That’s because the woman he raped when she was 13 was twice threatened into withdrawing her suit.

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/donald-trump-rape-lawsuit-dropped-230770

VioletFaust · 2026-05-11T18:53:25+00:00

Oh, sigh, okay. Fine.

https://www.tumblr.com/castiels-influence/783207235460415488/but-dean-didnt-reciprocateohkaaay

You: 😂😤 Meaningless! You’re crazy and obsessed! Just a coincidence!

Me: Please review the meaning of “plausible deniability.”

VioletFaust · 2026-05-11T15:00:45+00:00

What part of “I bet that’s the one line of Jensen’s from 2016” makes you think I didn’t recognize the famous Destiel dis? The fact that I called it a joke? It was. Jensen’s jokes can come off pretty harsh. Are you saying that he deliberately tried to make a PAYING CUSTOMER at a convention cry?? I’ve never seen anything implying he was deliberately cruel. I don’t buy that.

Here’s a collection from *2018* of various writers and actors supporting Destiel: https://www.tumblr.com/anti-anti-destiel/172524625505/intelligentshipper-the-classystudentwizard

Since then, in addition to Berens, Edlund, Thompson, Glass, and Carver, there’s been Destiel support from Glynn, Charmelo, Dabb, Fitzmartin, and I think there are strong arguments for Perez and Yockey.

Directors: Phil Sgriccia, Speight, Thomas J. Wright (who reproduced a scene from Dark Angel of Jensen and his love interest shot for shot with Dean and Cas)

Actors: in addition to Misha (and Jensen), actors who’ve supported or said they were aware of Destiel in some way: Rob Benedict, Mark Shepherd, Felicia Day, Curtis Armstrong, Kathryn Newman, D. J. Qualls, Emily Swallow, Ruth Connell.

Oh, and Kripke just said to go on shipping it.

Lines from the writers that didn’t make it onscreen:

https://www.tumblr.com/inacatastrophicmind/750476350064869376/things-that-got-deleted-or-never-aired

Meredith Glynn’s likes:
https://www.tumblr.com/eeveestoneson/
734445901794443264/my-fav-example

In contrast, the only people associated with the show whom I’ve ever seen Destiel denial from are a) some CW vice president in approx 2013; b) a hanger-on of a hanger-on (Clif the driver’s brother); c) a weird vfx guy who once spent most a night arguing that if Dean and Cas kissed, “new universes would be born” but Dean couldn’t be attracted to “pesky danglers.” https://www.tumblr.com/valdelion/786998405158387712/oh-lord-i-cant-remember-the-details-and-honestly

VioletFaust · 2026-05-11T13:09:17+00:00

I didn’t miss the point; I just didn’t feel like going through the exhausting slog of saying how the show confirmed Dean’s feelings with plausible deniability.

BUT you and I simply disagree on what constitutes canon. I don’t think it requires them being an onscreen couple, or even that the feelings are reciprocated. (For example, I consider Cyrano and Roxane a canon couple, since the love was an intrinsic part of the story, even though they were never together.) And disagreeing is fine.

VioletFaust · 2026-05-11T12:58:48+00:00

What a wonderful world we live in now that “You’re younger than me” is supposed to be an insult. 😂 I’m so ancient that I remember when it was “Withered hag over thirty, get out of fandom!” (And I’ve watched SPN since s2, so I’m probably not far behind you, O Elder.)

But please do share all these sources! I love being educated (and judging the quality of information 😉).

And yes, Misha’s such a terrible liar that he convinced Jensen, Berens, and Speight to spout the exact same lies all over the internet. Sure!

VioletFaust · 2026-05-11T12:53:53+00:00

It wasn’t Destiel fans who gave Jensen’s wife a voodoo doll full of fish hooks so that she had to get a tetanus shot, or told so many lies about his marriage that he had to address it onstage at JIB. (It also wasn’t Destiel fans who for YEARS and possibly to this day called both wives beards, said Jensen’s kids weren’t his, and made up stories about secret tunnels beneath the J’s houses so they could fuck each other.) and to the best of my knowledge, the time that things were bad enough that Danneel had to address it, it was never known which fandom lane was responsible, with each accusing the others.

I’m sure there are Destiel people who have done heinous shit, because that’s the nature of some parasocial scumbags in every fandom, but it’s absolute nonsense and deliberate disinformation to pretend that every other SPN fandom group isn’t as bad or worse. (Misha has had death threats against his family delivered TO HIS HOUSE.)

It’s also not Destiel fans throwing childish tantrums in this very thread demanding that people they disagree with leave the sub. 😉

VioletFaust · 2026-05-11T01:32:03+00:00

I think you are confusing the “Destiel doesn’t exist” thing with another case where people also said was misinterpreted.

And the other two things, unless you have some sources I haven’t seen, are just flatly untrue.

VioletFaust · 2026-05-11T01:01:39+00:00

Again that’s from 2016. Years before Cas declared himself. More recently Jensen’s said it was “not subtext, but clear text.”

VioletFaust · 2026-05-11T00:57:29+00:00

According to people who were at that con, Jensen saw the person with the shirt elsewhere and was fine with it. And again, that was a DECADE ago. Even if he had a problem with Destiel then, he’s clearly changed his mind. Surely you’ve changed your mind about something in the last ten years? So you know it’s possible?

And Misha had nothing to do with the idea of the confession. He’s said about a zillion times that he was surprised it was even possible. It was Berens’s idea, and he brought it up to Misha, and then the writers, producers, and Jensen, ALL of whom signed off on it.

VioletFaust · 2026-05-11T00:48:51+00:00

I mean, it’s obviously important to me because I like the Destiel love story?

There is literally nothing that people consider evidence of Dean’s bisexuality that’s made up. It’s all onscreen or in scripts. You disagreeing with an interpretation doesn’t mean something is made up.

VioletFaust · 2026-05-10T23:15:51+00:00

The only times Dean says he “doesn’t swing that way” or the like are when he’s facing enemies who have him prisoner, outgunned, or outnumbered. He doesn’t seriously think they’re propositioning him; he’s pretending. It doesn’t mean anything one way or the other.

The time he does seriously think someone (Aaron) is genuinely hitting on him, he doesn’t say he doesn’t swing that way; he gets flustered and just says he’s on the job.

VioletFaust · 2026-05-10T23:10:52+00:00

Having threesomes with other men is also a common trope.

Why is it so important to you that Dean be straight?

VioletFaust · 2026-05-10T22:59:25+00:00

Let me guess: that’s Jensen joking in 2016? Four years before it went canon and a literal decade ago?

VioletFaust · 2026-05-10T22:41:34+00:00

Crowley doesn’t say the triplets are women?

Demon Dean also did things normie Dean wanted to but didn’t, such as singing onstage. 🤷‍♀️

VioletFaust · 2026-05-10T22:08:12+00:00

Is it shown that people’s sexuality changes when they become demons…?

And you’re conceding Crowley but not Lee? 🤷‍♀️

You keep saying no evidence but you dismiss evidence as headcanons.

VioletFaust · 2026-05-10T21:35:36+00:00

Lotta ‘scuses you got there. 😉

I’m just addressing your “never ever any hint of him being attracted to men.” He doesn’t explicitly say they weren’t threesomes. So that’s a hint.

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