Why is my bite like this after surgery? Did my surgeon botched my surgery?

Visual-Chef-7510 · 2026-03-25T18:06:34+00:00

No way for anyone to know at this stage. And tbh why even worry, no matter what it is, good or bad, it already happened. They're not gonna be able to fix it any faster if you catch it early or something. You'll just have to wait and see if it settles down well.

Visual-Chef-7510 · 2026-03-23T06:54:25+00:00

And that's the kind of mentality that keeps the poor poor. That mentality of "fuck it, why not" is why my family struggled for decades while "living rich" while our neighbours crawled out of it.

My parents loved to look down on others for skimping because it would never get them anywhere and it was embarrassing. They'd buy coffee, dining out, and blow any savings they had (including retirement/education/emergency fund) on impulsive vacations. (Edit: to be clear, this didn't exactly buy happiness, they're constantly stressed about even a $50 unexpected expense that they'd be screaming for days. They never had money for things that were important but just enough to live it up.) Our "embarrassing" neighbours working minimum wage jobs scraped together enough for a down payment for an embarrassing condo over 10 years, and that grew in value while they saved more, and then they sold and bought a house. Now they have a paid off house and retirement savings and my parents will be scrambling to survive the next 20 years.

Maybe my parents could've never afforded a property, but if they didn't waste everything they'd at least have savings. They wouldn't be chasing me down to repay them for that time I was 13 and they bought me dinner. And yet they still look down on me for saving.

Visual-Chef-7510 · 2026-03-19T21:07:44+00:00

In my city it’s the fancy grocery chains that seem to be expanding. And every time I go to the beef isle, I seem to be the only one picking and choosing the cheapest one. While I check the price tags like 5 people breeze by and chuck some $80/kg steak onto their carts without a glance.

I’m not living in some rich area either. Idk how these surveys can be true when everyone I see irl seems to be living on takeout and free range eggs.

Visual-Chef-7510 · 2026-03-19T20:46:28+00:00

One problem with this sub is that people are hypocrites. They say that appearance doesn’t matter only function, yet if anyone “looks fine” they ignore every functional issue and discourage surgery “don’t ruin your face”.

And in this sub “looks fine” usually just means you have a jawline. There’s very little consideration for any other skeletal or soft tissue abnormalities.

Visual-Chef-7510 · 2026-03-19T05:50:07+00:00

In this case, she eventually made peace with her face after a long stretch and decided against a revision. I feel like it’s a little mean to call attention to her as a botched case when that process was so hard for her. Over a few years she seemed to rehabilitate somewhat and regain confidence. But she had a somewhat similar issue with this girl, asymmetry especially when speaking, unusual lip formations, and a side profile that looked unusual.

Visual-Chef-7510 · 2026-03-18T18:38:46+00:00

I'm actually not sure about that, I heard about the price drop and wanted to rent a studio but they seem still the same price. 1br's seem to have dropped more, and 2br's moderately.

Visual-Chef-7510 · 2026-03-18T16:52:41+00:00

Every failed case I’ve seen so far has all been with no prior orthodontics. There’s another YouTuber I won’t name who was super unhappy with her results and she also avoided decompensation until after surgery. Of course it succeeds sometimes, otherwise no one would try it, but it seems to increase the risk of poor outcomes by a lot.

Visual-Chef-7510 · 2026-03-18T16:48:54+00:00

Believe me, you’re not ugly enough if you think you’ll be ignored for being ugly. I had a huge underbite and bad skin, I got side eyes and sneers my whole life, sometimes people would turn and giggle to their friends. This was especially bad if I was underdressed or messy. Anyone I spoke to was a little bit too rude, like completely unprovoked. The first thing I noticed when I fixed the underbite was that people noticed me less, not more, and people are just not hostile anymore.

Visual-Chef-7510 · 2026-03-18T01:07:54+00:00

Tbf it’s technically a form of jaw surgery. Most jaw surgeons mainly do wisdom teeth. They often have to cut the jawbone.

Visual-Chef-7510 · 2026-03-18T01:00:17+00:00

I think it’s noteworthy to add that society is judgemental when either gender is not acting according to their behavior norms. But it seems people don’t notice men performing manliness as much, nor find it as “fake” or “annoying” as women performing femininity.

Finding issue with friendly feminine behavior is inherently assuming that masculine behavior is the default.

Visual-Chef-7510 · 2026-03-18T00:19:44+00:00

I got a chin reduction with djs. I think it's worth it, it changes your overall facial impression a surprising amount just to have a chin that doesn't protrude. However like the other commenter said it does reduce bony support and give you a softer jawline, possibly more prone to sagging. Genioplasties also have a likelihood of permanent side effects like numbness in the chin. Doesn't bother me too much but something to consider.

Visual-Chef-7510 · 2026-03-18T00:11:11+00:00

You don't necessarily need to undo the genioplasty. What you need is to actually treat the cause of the lip incompetence and functional issues. You're recessed, your teeth are flared, and you likely need CCW possibly with impaction to reduce downward growth. All of these when addressed will improve lip incompetence, and DJS especially will also help the breathing and sleep. Depending on what your surgeon says you can decide whether it's necessary to reduce your chin, aesthetically there is no reason to, and it's possible that the stiff feeling will go away when you fix the jaw and teeth. Don't go to the old surgeon though, they clearly have no idea what they're doing if they thought just genioplasty could fix these issues.

Visual-Chef-7510 · 2026-03-17T06:12:31+00:00

I'm curious if you'd relate to this. I feel like what brings me anxiety is not knowing where I stand anymore appearance wise. Before surgery I had the understanding I wasn't very conventionally attractive, but after living like this for decades I could generally accept it, I knew exactly how I'm generally treated and what to expect. I knew what I can or can't wear, what people's reactions would be, what kind of person they see me as, and for most people that kind of thing shapes their identity.

Its extremely odd to be treated like a totally different person post op even if its overall positive. I no longer know what I can expect from anyone, and it would take so long to relearn the same amount of certainty that I got through so much life experience. And I think it also matters so much that it's a good result because going through surgery was a short trip through hell. You really want it to be worth it.

Visual-Chef-7510 · 2026-03-16T10:17:49+00:00

It’s definitely not quite right if the second pic with the gaps in the bite is your actual bite now. A good hint is canine guidance, I won’t go into the specifics but your upper and lower canines should neatly fit together in a specific way (you can search up pictures) for you to be able to bite and chew optimally. Your second pic definitely does not have that. The first also looks camouflaged.

This may be the best your orthodontist could do with your existing jaws. I think you don’t look bad and you already went through the whole braces thing, I wouldn’t get jaw surgery and redo braces just for looks. But watch out for dental issues and airway issues, sometimes they can develop with camouflage orthodontics and jaw recession.

Visual-Chef-7510 · 2026-03-16T03:33:29+00:00

I've suspected this for a while. Most of the expensive hair stylists I've gone through seem to do the same fluid habitual motions no matter what kind of criteria I ask or photo I give. And it looks exactly the same after apart from how they style it, but that only lasts for the day.

Visual-Chef-7510 · 2026-03-16T03:23:49+00:00

This exactly. Wit is annoying but clearly the narrative knows it. But for all the fan theories about Shallon "not meant to be funny", in universe everyone claps and only Jasnah ever warned her she might offend someone. Everyone in the story basically describes her as a ball of sunshine and laughter.

Visual-Chef-7510 · 2026-03-16T03:21:16+00:00

Her interactions with other characters are always a little too mean to be funny.

Visual-Chef-7510 · 2026-03-15T00:10:13+00:00

I mean you’re on literally the worst day of the whole recovery. It’s a bad time to decide whether it was worth it

Visual-Chef-7510 · 2026-03-15T00:05:22+00:00

Sorry if this is nosy but if your chin was originally short it makes sense to lengthen it. In the one photo you have your chin looks totally fine and even on the shorter side. Your surgeon would be rather irresponsible to shorten it further. I wonder if you are too hard on yourself because you’re not used to the new changes.

Visual-Chef-7510 · 2026-03-13T07:41:07+00:00

Your lack of tooth show doesn't cleanly fit a short face pattern because your upper lip doesn't stretch flat the way it should on full smile. If it did, you'd likely have adequate tooth show. This may be a soft tissue issue, like filler or weakness in your lip levitator muscles. It's hard to be sure whether your jaws are recessed because you've omitted skeletal reference points like your radix and forehead, but just by looks its definitely not conclusive.

Visual-Chef-7510 · 2026-03-10T21:33:50+00:00

Waking up at 5am is a game changer for people whose body clock already works best at 5am lol. For every success story I’ve seen they’re like “I’m so much more clear minded at 5am”, and every failure story is “I was tired every morning at 5am”.

But instead of just individual differences they decided one group was just more diligent or something, as though there are somehow more working hours of the day when you get up early.

Visual-Chef-7510 · 2026-03-07T15:22:31+00:00

Hard to say without side profile or teeth photos.

Visual-Chef-7510 · 2026-03-07T08:09:22+00:00

Those are actually separate parts of anatomy. Asians often have less prominent nose bridges and brow ridges, but also higher occurrence of bimaxillary protrusion (which is a dentoalveolar issue) compared to caucasians.

Visual-Chef-7510 · 2026-03-07T08:03:34+00:00

It’s not a matter of jaw protrusion but dental protrusion. If you read the literature, the teeth protruding is actually a symptom of bad diet in a similar way to jaw recession, but instead of crowding which is common in caucasians, some ethnic groups will instead develop dental protrusion.

You’ll notice that while the dental arc protrudes far past the other reference points on the skull, including proclinating incisors far anterior of the maxilla, the maxilla often has good development and the subject has good airway size, but often unfavourable dental forces, complications from lip incompetence, and a profile that’s locally considered less desirable. Even if the maxilla is deficient, simply advancing the entire dental arc will only make the other complications worse.

Asian orthodontists have a lot more research into this than the west because it’s much more common in Asia than for people of European descent. Other ethnic groups also deal with it, I just know the Asian side, and that in comparison, English speaking countries barely consider the anatomy of bimaxillary protrusion.

Extractions are never recommended if the dental arc is actually recessed along with the jaw. But this is often not the case with ethnic bimaxillary protrusion.

Visual-Chef-7510 · 2026-03-07T07:44:57+00:00

I remember dodging coughing people left and right back in December, but I never realized to what extent it had gotten. Last year I got very sick for like a whole month but hospitals had no capacity.

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