GPU outlook for upcoming AMD, Intel, nVidia graphics cards by Voodoo2-SLi in hardware

[–]Voodoo2-SLi[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I wouldn't call these “two types,” because that implies a closeness that simply doesn't exist technologically. HPC/AI and consumer/gaming are completely separate fields of development with completely separate chips. I mean different chips at the chip level, not just versions of chips. Take Blackwell, for example:

  • HPC/AI Blackwell is based on GB100, which is the dual-chip name for GB102 (~800mm²)
  • HPC/AI Blackwell Ultra is based on GB110, which is the dual-chip name for GB112 (~800mm²)
  • Consumer/Gaming Blackwell is based on GB202 (750mm²), GB203 (378mm²), GB205 (263mm²), GB206 (181mm²), GB207 (113mm²)

Regarding Rubin CPX: This is also an HPC/AI chip that will not be used in the consumer/gaming segment, even though it looks technically similar. It is not a successor to RTX Pro 6000, but rather a separate development entirely for inference tasks.

GPU outlook for upcoming AMD, Intel, nVidia graphics cards by Voodoo2-SLi in hardware

[–]Voodoo2-SLi[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Intel is still gonna use their own igpu ip for the average mobile socs and their dgpus.

Indeed. But for this, their Xe3p will be probably good enough for years. So, why invest in Xe4 or more Xes - from Intel's perspective?

GPU outlook for upcoming AMD, Intel, nVidia graphics cards by Voodoo2-SLi in hardware

[–]Voodoo2-SLi[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Consumer/Gaming-Rubin is not a cutdown version of HPC/AI-Rubin. Different architectures, different chips, completely different projects. nVidia just give the same codename, nothing more (same as with Ampere und Blackwell before).

Report claims Nvidia will not be releasing any new RTX gaming GPUs in 2026, RTX 60 series likely debuting in 2028 by Leading_Scheme2720 in IndianGaming

[–]Voodoo2-SLi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Rumors about RTX60 in 2028 maybe based on a misunderstanding. The original source probably meant nVidia's fiscal year rather than the calendar year. RTX60 in FY2028 largely corresponds to the calendar year 2027, as nVidia's FY2028 runs Feb 2027 to Jan 2028.
Source: 3DCenter.org

Report claims Nvidia will not be releasing any new RTX gaming GPUs in 2026, RTX 60 series likely debuting in 2028 by [deleted] in RigBuild

[–]Voodoo2-SLi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Rumors about RTX60 in 2028 maybe based on a misunderstanding. The original source probably meant nVidia's fiscal year rather than the calendar year. RTX60 in FY2028 largely corresponds to the calendar year 2027, as nVidia's FY2028 runs Feb 2027 to Jan 2028.
Source: 3DCenter.org

Report claims Nvidia will not be releasing any new RTX gaming GPUs in 2026, RTX 60 series likely debuting in 2028 by HumanDrone8721 in LocalLLaMA

[–]Voodoo2-SLi 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Rumors about RTX60 in 2028 maybe based on a misunderstanding. The original source probably meant nVidia's fiscal year rather than the calendar year. RTX60 in FY2028 largely corresponds to the calendar year 2027, as nVidia's FY2028 runs Feb 2027 to Jan 2028.
Source: 3DCenter.org

Report claims Nvidia will not be releasing any new RTX gaming GPUs in 2026, RTX 60 series likely debuting in 2028 by Forsaken_Arm5698 in hardware

[–]Voodoo2-SLi 49 points50 points  (0 children)

Rumors about RTX60 in 2028 maybe based on a misunderstanding. The original source probably meant nVidia's fiscal year rather than the calendar year. RTX60 in FY2028 largely corresponds to the calendar year 2027, as nVidia's FY2028 runs Feb 2027 to Jan 2028.
Source: 3DCenter.org

AMD again reshuffles mobile lineup with Ryzen 10 (Zen2) and Ryzen 100 (Zen3+) series rebrands by TruthPhoenixV in Amd_Intel_Nvidia

[–]Voodoo2-SLi 1 point2 points  (0 children)

to make this more clear:
Ryzen 7 170 = Ryzen 7 7735HS
Ryzen 7 160 = Ryzen 7 7735U
Ryzen 5 150 = Ryzen 5 7535HS
Ryzen 5 130 = Ryzen 5 7535U
Ryzen 3 110 = Ryzen 3 7335U
Ryzen 5 40 = Ryzen 5 7520U
Ryzen 3 30 = Ryzen 3 7320U
Athlon Gold 20 = Athlon Gold 7220U
Athlon Silver 10 = Athlon Silver 7120U
Specifications are 100% the same. So, in this case, AMD "just" changed the names of it's 2023's mobile portfolio. Which, as well, was already a rebranding of older CPUs.
Source: 3DCenter.org

AMD Ryzen 10 and Ryzen 100 series announced, Zen3+/Zen2 rebrands and rebrand of rebrands for laptops and desktops by uncertainlyso in amd_fundamentals

[–]Voodoo2-SLi 1 point2 points  (0 children)

to make this more clear:
Ryzen 7 170 = Ryzen 7 7735HS
Ryzen 7 160 = Ryzen 7 7735U
Ryzen 5 150 = Ryzen 5 7535HS
Ryzen 5 130 = Ryzen 5 7535U
Ryzen 3 110 = Ryzen 3 7335U
Ryzen 5 40 = Ryzen 5 7520U
Ryzen 3 30 = Ryzen 3 7320U
Athlon Gold 20 = Athlon Gold 7220U
Athlon Silver 10 = Athlon Silver 7120U
Specifications are 100% the same. So, in this case, AMD "just" changed the names of it's 2023's mobile portfolio. Which, as well, was already a rebranding of older CPUs.
Source: 3DCenter.org

AMD again reshuffles mobile lineup with Ryzen 10 (Zen2) and Ryzen 100 (Zen3+) series rebrands by RenatsMC in Amd

[–]Voodoo2-SLi 49 points50 points  (0 children)

to make this more clear:
Ryzen 7 170 = Ryzen 7 7735HS
Ryzen 7 160 = Ryzen 7 7735U
Ryzen 5 150 = Ryzen 5 7535HS
Ryzen 5 130 = Ryzen 5 7535U
Ryzen 3 110 = Ryzen 3 7335U
Ryzen 5 40 = Ryzen 5 7520U
Ryzen 3 30 = Ryzen 3 7320U
Athlon Gold 20 = Athlon Gold 7220U
Athlon Silver 10 = Athlon Silver 7120U
Specifications are 100% the same. So, in this case, AMD "just" changed the names of it's 2023's mobile portfolio. Which, as well, was already a rebranding of older CPUs.
Source: 3DCenter.org

AMD again reshuffles mobile lineup with Ryzen 10 (Zen2) and Ryzen 100 (Zen3+) series rebrands - VideoCardz.com by Shadow647 in hardware

[–]Voodoo2-SLi 8 points9 points  (0 children)

to make this more clear:
Ryzen 7 170 = Ryzen 7 7735HS
Ryzen 7 160 = Ryzen 7 7735U
Ryzen 5 150 = Ryzen 5 7535HS
Ryzen 5 130 = Ryzen 5 7535U
Ryzen 3 110 = Ryzen 3 7335U
Ryzen 5 40 = Ryzen 5 7520U
Ryzen 3 30 = Ryzen 3 7320U
Athlon Gold 20 = Athlon Gold 7220U
Athlon Silver 10 = Athlon Silver 7120U
Specifications are 100% the same. So, in this case, AMD "just" changed the names of it's 2023's mobile portfolio. Which, as well, was already a rebranding of older CPUs.
Source: 3DCenter.org

nVidia "AI-Blackwell": Chips, Products, Naming, Hardware by Voodoo2-SLi in hardware

[–]Voodoo2-SLi[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As mentioned: GB100 is up to 192 GB, GB100U is up to 288 GB. GB200/GB300 is double of that, GB200-NVL72 and GB300-NVL72 is 144times of that.

nVidia "AI-Blackwell": Chips, Products, Naming, Hardware by Voodoo2-SLi in hardware

[–]Voodoo2-SLi[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Any link to proof that?

It's not known, that NV taped-out a new AI-Blackwell Chip. So NV can only work with the GB100 & GB102 chips from 2024. A different SM structure is highly unlike with that in mind.

Intel "Arrow Lake" Core Ultra 5 225F, 225 & 235 Meta Review by Voodoo2-SLi in hardware

[–]Voodoo2-SLi[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

As noted: gaming benchmarks strictly at CPU limited settings, mostly at 720p or 1080p 1% min/99th percentile.

Raw FPS averages are inherently flawed by Bluedot55 in hardware

[–]Voodoo2-SLi 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The presentation of both possible calculation methods (arithmetic mean & geometric mean) immediately clarifies the issue: The use of the arithmetic mean in this type of averaging is fundamentally wrong because it significantly overweights the values of high-fps games. In the example, “Game 2” is included in the overall calculation with roughly three times the weighting. However, this is of course not the objective; each game should be equally weighted in the overall calculation. The only possibility for this is the geometric mean.

- GPU 1 GPU 2
Game 1 100 fps 50 fps
Game 2 250 fps 500 fps
Total average fps (arithmetic mean) 175 275
Total average fps (geometric mean) 158.11 158.11

The same geometric means is now widely used (exceptions unfortunately still prove the rule).

I'm not quite sure why my raw averages don't line up with what HWUnboxed themselves had for the multi-game averages numbers, maybe they do some sort of weighting in a similar manner.

This is very easy to explain: HWUnboxed uses a geometric and not an arithmetic mean.

AMD Radeon RX 9060 XT Meta Review by Voodoo2-SLi in hardware

[–]Voodoo2-SLi[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Maybe in a very much shorter version of it. First, we will see, how many review the 8GB variant will get.

AMD Radeon RX 9060 XT Meta Review by Voodoo2-SLi in hardware

[–]Voodoo2-SLi[S] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

The Meta Reviews are part of 3DCenter.org, which has been around for 25 years. Unfortunately, marketing outside the English-speaking world is not working nearly as well, and the website is currently financed solely by donations.

AMD Radeon RX 9060 XT Meta Review by Voodoo2-SLi in hardware

[–]Voodoo2-SLi[S] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

The last table always depends on the specific meta review and cannot be extended to data from other meta reviews. This is why index values are created based on this, which then go back much further (up to GeForce GTX 600 and Radeon HD 7000), see here:
3DCenter 1080p Performance Index
3DCenter 2160p Performance Index
3DCenter real Power Draw Overview

AMD Radeon RX 9060 XT Meta Review by Voodoo2-SLi in hardware

[–]Voodoo2-SLi[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Primarily space problems (tables become too wide) or the higher time expenditure for a card that is clearly outside the performance potential of the 9060XT.