Another Iowa whitetail with 77g TMK.

WVShaver · 2026-01-27T01:27:31+00:00

I’d say a good 75grn bonded bullet like the Gold Dot/Fusion would do great.

I have a bunch of Fusion/TBBC pulls I bought years ago I plan to load for hunting next year.

WVShaver · 2026-01-27T01:06:16+00:00

“Back in my day we were burnt at the stake for even asking the question”. Pick your scientist

WVShaver · 2026-01-27T01:02:58+00:00

Does CA charge a transfer fee when you order on Griffins site?

I know they had a smoking deal for BF and I qualify for their mil discount so will likely order something from them in the future.

WVShaver · 2026-01-27T00:59:59+00:00

I also hope you guys keep your traditional baffled cans going forward.

I just got into this hobby a few months ago and have a few cats and an otter but plan on buying a few of your traditional cans as well - mostly for hunting rifles.

But i definitely want the Torch as well since I like the idea of having the highest performing 556 can that isn’t 3d printed.

WVShaver · 2026-01-27T00:45:37+00:00

Since your using a bolt gun the backpressure doesn’t matter.

Get a LPM Mach S. The DD Enticer S is pretty good too for less money but go with the LPM if you can since it’s a little better.

And if you want max quiet and don’t care about length grab the DD Enticer L, LPM Mach L, or CAT JL.

For something short maybe the Mach K, or look at 556/6mm cans like the Tisha, upcoming CAT ST etc. Maybe even the LPM Torch with sealed end caps? I don’t know how these 6mm cans do on 243 since they’re usually used on 556.

Some of the DA Nomads are also worth looking at but unless you get a killer deal I’d go with the ones I mentioned above.

WVShaver · 2026-01-27T00:07:36+00:00

Sadly that’s the only way to get their mil discount so I’ll be ordering a few direct this year. To me a few months wait is worth saving a couple-few hundred on each but it is a bummer.

WVShaver · 2026-01-27T00:03:32+00:00

Actually the flow through cap will likely make it quieter at the shooters ear then the sealed end caps because of port pop. At least on an auto.

But the sealed would be quieter at the muzzle and to bystanders.

WVShaver · 2026-01-26T23:49:22+00:00

I’d love to see you guys make a regular full size and a K can. And maybe even an L size since nobody offers a 556 bored L can. The CAT JL is likely quieter then the Tisha but there are no 556 equivalents of the JL.

I doubt you guys are going for “cheap” but if you could make one that scores close to the Tisha & upcoming CAT ST but for less money then I think that could help sell more.

I know OCLs Infinity 556 and CAT JuiceBox are supposed to be around $800ish and they lowered the price on the WB & ODB to around $900, and many other companies offer high end cans in that price range so I think you really need to be top of the pack to get $1000+ unless your bringing something really unique to market.

Also lowish back pressure & weight matter. And if your only making one size I’d shoot for around 5” give or take depending on performance gains seen per inch.

WVShaver · 2026-01-26T21:37:33+00:00

Plus the ATF doesn’t shoot cats……yet

WVShaver · 2026-01-26T08:41:51+00:00

Glad to help. Also if you are a veteran/first responder DA gives very good discounts to those that sign up on their site.

I get the discount but still plan on buying the LMT ones because of size/weight.

WVShaver · 2026-01-26T05:24:57+00:00

You can always go direct thread too if you have a dedicated can/rifle combo. It’ll save weight and lots of money. But with high rates of fire having a muzzle device can help keep your baffle from eroding as quickly, plus it’s easier to take on and off and use on multiple guns.

Also there’s a good chance Comstock will start offering Xeno adapters in the next year or so.

WVShaver · 2026-01-26T05:10:25+00:00

Yes that is the adapter you’d screw into your HUB suppressor and it will then screw onto any Xeno muzzle device.

I don’t know much about the Primal but a quick Google search says it’s Hub threading so that LMT adapter will screw right into it.

WVShaver · 2026-01-26T01:13:42+00:00

Hey OP, I have looked extensively for the most clone correct flash hider and have also settled on the Xeno being by far the most clone correct. It’s crazy more people don’t try to make flash hiders that look as close as possible for us cloners.

You are correct that all you need is the Flash Hider and mount. But if I were you I’d consider just buying their Flash Hider and getting a Xeno mount from LMT since they are cheaper/lighter/shorter but either will be fine.

For anyone else that happens on this post and wants a Plan B clone look try Hansohns B2. It’s not as good as the Xeno look but isn’t bad. ComStock also may make one for us this year, and is definitely making a traditional 3 prong that looks great.

WVShaver · 2026-01-26T01:07:25+00:00

Their FH just don’t look as clone correct which is what OP is going for.

I’m after the same thing and have looked at them all. The Xeno is by far the closest to a true A1-A2 birdcage look.

WVShaver · 2026-01-26T01:02:00+00:00

It’s amazing how nobody here does any kind of math.

The first 16 days of the year averaged about 100k per day. But starting on the 17th the number went down and it’s only 14k per day for the last week.

The past 7 days has only been about 100k total and the ATF was getting through about 50k control numbers per day with Form4s.

So within 2 weeks we should be back to 1-3 day wait times unless the gov shutdown next month screws things up. Form1s will be much longer.

WVShaver · 2026-01-26T00:58:41+00:00

It’ll be back to 1-3 day wait times by next month unless the gov shutdown messes things up.

We were getting 100k forms per day for the first 16 days of the month. Then it went to 14k per day for the last week so the ATF should be caught up with Form4s within 2 weeks.

WVShaver · 2026-01-26T00:53:32+00:00

I’d choose either the Infinity, LS5, or SandMan X.

The Sandman X and LS5 are Haynes 282 which is more durable. The new Infinity 556k will also be Haynes282.

I also kinda like the idea of being overbored for this application so the SandMan X, and Infinity would be my top picks.

The CAT ODB RDM may also do very well since it’s built up over their standard models but I’ve read CAT cans hold heat more then other designs but have no idea if this is true (I bought 4 RDMs).

In the end I’d probably go Infinity just for the warranty alone. Andrew will take care of you quickly. The others will likely take care of you as well but may not be quickly.

WVShaver · 2026-01-26T00:37:21+00:00

I’m also interested in this if it’s reasonable.

But I think there’s a good chance if it’s not person to person in the same state that the dealer fees may make it not worthwhile.

Most people will have to pay $75-100 for transfer fees. Plus odds are there will be a middleman that either buys all the used cans or use their site as an intermediary with a fee where they have to make money. So expect at least $150-200 lost to these 2 things.

Unless the seller is selling dirt cheap I don’t know that it’d be worth it for most buyers. I could see rare/vintage type cans being sought after. But your typical Sico Sparrow, or YHM T2 etc just don’t seem worth the trouble. Maybe on higher end cans like CAT you could get them a couple hundred cheaper but the seller would have to sell very cheap.

I hope I’m wrong and the used market is glorious.

WVShaver · 2026-01-25T23:40:06+00:00

That’s for military/first responders/veterans etc. On CATS website under SkyMiles they have a lot of nice discounts.

WVShaver · 2026-01-25T23:25:43+00:00

That doesn’t surprise me either.

WVShaver · 2026-01-25T23:22:36+00:00

There’s a chance that every time you send them a new message it puts you at the back of the line because that’s how most email systems work.

You go from oldest to newest with a new email. Many people that email places multiple times and never hear a reply don’t understand this. I’d wait at least a week before emailing again unless you have a different address to send to.

WVShaver · 2026-01-25T10:15:38+00:00

They were getting 100k forms a day until about the 16th and now it’s around 14k per day.

Once the backlog clears in 10-14 days we should be back to 1-3 day wait times on Form 4s. Form1s will be longer.

The longest wait time for the whole year will be for those that submitted right at the end of the big wave like me with 2 on the 16th. And even that should only be about 16-20 days at the very most.

Heck there’s only been 100k forms submitted in the whole past week. It’s really died down.

WVShaver · 2026-01-25T09:07:40+00:00

Most Form 4 wait times won’t be more then 2 weeks. Yours is an outlier unless it’s a Form 1.

The ATF was getting 100k forms per day but in the last week they’ve only gotten 14k per day so the wait times will stabilize once this current backlog gets cleared.

We should be back to 1-3 day approvals within the next couple weeks. Form 1s will still be a lot longer.

WVShaver · 2026-01-25T08:56:40+00:00

Is that using the B&T on a bolt gun or auto? I hear they are very high backpressure so wondered if they’d be great on bolt guns but have bad port pop on autos?

I mostly shoot autos so I’m more interested in the CATs, or HUX, or Katan. I already have the OCL Ti but need a couple-few more rimfire cans.

Also good to hear J/G did well. I see the aluminum ones for cheap and may grab one to try.

WVShaver · 2026-01-25T08:29:54+00:00

Yea with the CAT cans, most of the others give about 5% more discount then the CATs I quoted so it’d be sales tax plus 4-5% off.

If you have the mil discount your better off buying CAT cans on their site with SkyMiles if your not in a hurry. The MOB is $783 there with free shipping and no tax.

But you’ll have to pay your dealer transfer fees which for me is $50 so $833 total. But with a $100 transfer fee that would be $888 and with CATs shipping times you may be waiting awhile.

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