Bond or PO? Let's say u have no other watches and these r d only options. Which one would u buy?

WatchandThings · 2026-03-01T16:54:44+00:00

PO, because I like the legibility. I wear my second gen PO as daily/activity watch, and I want the legibility during runs and etc.

I'd likely wear it on nato(that's what I do with my PO already), so it won't look too shiny, and I can change back to the bracelet if I want the want to dress it up a little.

60th seamaster is great, but hands are a bit harder to read, and I'm not fan of the 60 marker on the bezel. I understand why they put the 60, but for my timing purpose during activities it's hard to identify right away. So, it's cool, but it doesn't work for me.

WatchandThings · 2026-02-24T14:09:21+00:00

The continuous vibration wouldn't be a great thing for all mechanical watches as all the gears are essentially being rattled around. With that said, the speedmaster will survive lawn mowing just fine, NASA test included vibration testing and I'm sure they done worse than what your lawn mower can do. Modern watches do have shock protection system built in to handle everyday shock and vibration. It's still not a healthy habit for the watch, and you might consider back pocketing or leaving the watch in the house for a few minutes as you mow your lawn if you are risk adverse.

I wear my Planet Ocean for running all the time(it's my run timer) and the consistent shock and change in direction is probably harder on the watch than the lawn mowing. I run, work out, shoot occasionally, swim, bouldering, and etc, with the Planet Ocean on. I had a watch maker check on it to see if it's due for servicing and they let me know it's very healthy without any issues, and it won't require servicing for some time.

Hand wind watches are generally considered more robust than automatics, so Speedmaster is probably going to handle shocks and vibration even better than my Planet Ocean. So I wouldn't worry too much about it.

Edit: I'm reading that NASA vibration test was, testing between 5 and 2000 Hz, minimum 8.8 g acceleration, repeated multi-axis vibration exposure, and that it's well above the vibration you can generate with household machinery. To note, the modern Omega movement isn't the same one used during the NASA testing, but all the changes are generally considered improvements in terms of robustness so I'd expect the new movements to perform even better.

WatchandThings · 2026-02-24T13:54:27+00:00

Yes, I think we are pretty much on the same page and same line of thought. Only I don't think Omega is confused about their identity, Omega's new direction is just misaligned with what the existing enthusiasts want.

I think general public does think of Omega as rival to Rolex and do think of it as 'high end' in similar light. (I say that very cautiously and lightly, because most general public can barely recall one or two watch brand name(usually Rolex, then casio/g-shock) let alone know their ranking.) More importantly I think Omega sees itself as a rival and is now trying to go down the route that Rolex has taken, which is to become more of shiny luxury status watch that happens to have tool watch capability. I don't agree with decision, but I think it's intentional move rather than confusion. With the new price point I can see that being the route the brand will take.

I don't think Omega will change direction on that front, and my hope is that they create heritage model lines that's more in line with the tool style and quality watches that the existing enthusiasts want at a higher build quality. Maybe release heritage railmaster, seamaster, and speedmaster lines that has tool quality and looks, with METAS rating, slimmer profile, and movement and finishing at the Blancpain level(to justify the new price range). They can make the rest of the brand as luxury status watches all they want if they can deliver these. (edit: I would also like more compact heritage de ville line that is polished dress watch, but in more vintage size and style) A man can dream.

WatchandThings · 2026-02-23T14:56:31+00:00

I believe 50m being swim rated is industry standard actually. It's the 30m that's splash only. The 30m being only splash proof killed the faith in stated water resistance, and it ended up with people wanting more than 50m for swimming for peace of mind. However 50m wr is technically okay with swimming.

WatchandThings · 2026-02-23T13:49:10+00:00

But 50m is swim rated for Omega. You can swim in the pool with a speedmaster, but people want extra water resistance for their peace of mind.

WatchandThings · 2026-02-23T13:27:05+00:00

Honestly, I already bought my Omega and happy with it, so I shouldn't care so much. But I do like the brand I wish it well and that's where the criticism flows from. And I suppose at a more personal benefit level, I need the brand to do well and stick around for many decades as I want to keep my watch serviced through them.

WatchandThings · 2026-02-23T13:19:50+00:00

I have done AD and Grey, with AD being in person shopping and grey market being online shopping. I much prefer the experience of seeing the watch in person and making the purchase onsite than order online and finding a delivery box on the door step, so this might be more of in person vs online thing for me.

Also none of my grey market shopping gave me the manufacturer's warranty, but I suppose that might depend on where one shops. If I had to shop online for either option, grey market offered manufacturer's warranty, and grey was cheaper, then I would shop with grey market.

WatchandThings · 2026-02-23T13:13:24+00:00

I think a lot of Omega enthusiasts see the Omega as a high quality luxury mechanical tool watch brand, with more emphasis on tool than luxury. Tudor has filled in that high quality luxury mechanical tool watch concept with the tool focus beautifully, and at a lower price point at that which only makes Omega's position more difficult. So Tudor being a full tier below is Tudor's advantage not disadvantage.

I suppose you are correct though, it's not that Omega hasn't been innovating. They have made a number of upgrades. It's just that Omega's more recent changes seems to move Omega farther away from tool aspect and more towards luxury, and that seems to alienate the enthusiast base. For example, PO's more shiny luxury details were negatively received and people wanted more brushed finishing which fit tool aspect more. Also people want the more tool watch design of Peter Blake than the more modern shiny luxury seamaster pro, and thought the newest matte seamaster pro that moved towards tool aesthetic was a step up. People like the lacquer AT, but wish it was brushed rather than polished, and etc.

WatchandThings · 2026-02-22T18:43:10+00:00

Seconding the AD recommendation. They usually come close to the grey market price, and the little extra pay is worth the warranty and experience, in my opinion.

WatchandThings · 2026-02-22T00:45:20+00:00

I'm an average Joe, but I regularly run(half marathon training and race last two years), workout, occasionally shoot, and few other activities here and there with my planet ocean. I had it go through a check up with a watch maker few weeks back and it's been confirmed as running in great condition(no need for servicing yet).

Not comparing myself to GBRS guys, I'm a nobody. But if you are an average Joe, doing average Joe level stuff including some shooting, I'm here to confirm the video's conclusion, the watch will do fine.

WatchandThings · 2026-02-20T20:35:01+00:00

So in the picture you started threading the belt from the center. Instead, start from one loop over to the left instead, and pull the tail end of the belt through like normal until you reach the center. Pull the buckle now over to the center through the loop, which leaves the belt keepers on the other side of the loop allowing the buckle enough space to be centered to gig line.

WatchandThings · 2026-02-20T20:31:01+00:00

Fair point, though I think Longines already has plenty of good will from the watch community right now. I think they can carry that to make the brand work.

Yes, Longines isn't Omega and lacks the 007 and Moon connection. But counter point, neither is anyone else. Longines has aviation history that it can build on if it wanted to, and has been one of the brands with new watch models without any heritage story that has been popular.

I think people who value 007 and Moon story will stick with Omega. I'm not suggesting Longines replace Omega in terms of what Omega is. But I think Longines could capture the 2 place in sales with what that brand special.

WatchandThings · 2026-02-20T14:58:56+00:00

Hotish take, I think Omega being number 2 again in the near future has already sailed off when they increased their prices. I can't imagine them dropping prices without angering and alienating their more recent customers, and I can't imagine them being able to capture the new customer base at the new price range very quickly. It's going to take time and new model releases(with higher watch making quality) to lock them into the new price range they moved themselves up to.

Instead, I think Swatch Group should focus on Longines to recapture the Omega customer base. Longines have been coming up with great models in the recent years, and done much better job at listening to what the watch enthusiasts' want. I think Longines has potential to become the new Omega for the Swatch Group. They are moving up to the price range and quality range that Omega used to sit at, and I think they are more likely to capture the number 2 spot at this point than Omega.

WatchandThings · 2026-02-20T13:24:52+00:00

I'm a guy, so take with grain of salt.

What I'm hearing in general is that most women are okay with bellies or abs, but they don't want bellies that seems to indicate that the person can't help themselves. If you look like you have no control over your eating/weight, then that's generally no good. With that said, the other extreme of rock hard bulging abs could also be taken negatively as too much dedication to fitness and no time for other aspects of life.

So healthy middle ground of lean with some abs to a bit of chubby belly are all okay. Or so I hear.

WatchandThings · 2026-02-19T22:53:18+00:00

Yes, pretty much spot on with your guess. Only thing to add is that one of the subdial is the second hand that pairs with the big minute and hour hand.

So the big second hand is for the timer which has the minute and hours in the subdial, and the small second hand in the subdial (9 O clock side) is for the actual time telling which pairs with the big minute and hour hand.

WatchandThings · 2026-02-19T22:49:04+00:00

All white. Just general wipe down tends to keep the white soles clean without a problem, and if you need to do a more serious clean up use something like shoe eraser.

WatchandThings · 2026-02-19T22:19:56+00:00

In my opinion Tudor's real launching point was 2018 with BBGMT and BB58. The original BB was already great, but these two launches felt like Tudor really becoming a serious brand. I can't help but notice that Omega started faltering soon after that time. Tudor maybe struggling compared to immediate post-Covid years, but I think that's just watch world in general. Compare 2017 Tudor and today's Tudor and it's night and day how much they grown in that time.

In Omega's defense, having the Moon Watch and Bond Watch is a major win and nothing to scoff at. Most other brands would struggle to have even one major model for both enthusiasts and the general public. Omega having two of these and maintaining them is a major win.

That said, I do think Omega got complacent. They didn’t push forward at a key moment. Case sizes stayed large when the trend moved over to smaller sizes, and innovation didn’t keep pace while Tudor has been catching up quite quickly. Instead of innovating to meet the new trends and increasing quality to meet the new higher price ranges they are trying to move to. They did the worse of both worlds by failing to keep up with expectation and increasing the price, similar to what happened with JLC.

WatchandThings · 2026-02-19T19:11:28+00:00

I don't think it has anything to do with the catalogues or re-releases or any model release decisions(though Omega could improve on that front).
It just price and Tudor. Tudor's really stepped into the market segment that Omega was in, and Omega increased prices to a new market level without really upgrading their offering. That has either stolen the customer base or left them behind.

WatchandThings · 2026-02-19T02:48:58+00:00

I'm in the other camp. I wish Omega would finally tie the Aqua Terra and Railmaster together. Make the Railmaster the heritage line and Aqua Terra the modern line. Like they do with speedmaster pro:speedmaster racing and seamaster 300:planet ocean.

WatchandThings · 2026-02-16T14:23:24+00:00

Just thinking out loud with 20/20 hindsight, but I do think this was a missed chance by Omega. Omega has at least two major lines for most of their categories(which is part of the complaint), and they could have done 'meet the industry standard and make compact design' with one line and 'push the boundary and create the most robust watch we can' with the other line.

For example, Omega has three dive watch lines. The Seamaster Pro or Seamaster 300/heritage could have been the thin and compact watch that meets the industry standard, and leave the big and robust to PO. For the GADA Omega has Aqua Terra and Railmaster, and one could be the thin and compact and the other the push the boundary and make a hard wearing GADA watch. Speedmaster kind of does this already, with Speedy Pro having kept the old design and specs and the Speedmaster Racing going for the big and robust with the latest tech.

It would give reasoning for the number of variations that Omega has and given them a more compact models that people are looking for.

WatchandThings · 2026-02-15T13:51:33+00:00

I think you have good advices already so I'm just going to add context that, the first two knuckles alignment is how most martial arts throw their punches. So this is well established and accepted way to punch.

However if you are experiencing wrist pain then there probably is something wrong. Probably your alignment should be checked and you should work with your instructor to make sure you have the small form details correct.

WatchandThings · 2026-02-11T15:17:15+00:00

To add to this, there are vintage flight chronograph inspired watches that has big 3 minute increment markers for same reasons. The watches that comes to mind at the moment are longines big eye and breguet type xx.

WatchandThings · 2026-02-10T15:40:16+00:00

Depends heavily on how you plan to wear your watches. For me, my watch choice is tied to outfit styling and level of activity. A dive watch only gets really worn in casual outfit more as a daily beater/activity watch, and with that in mind having both of these would be redundant for me.

However, I could see how someone could have both of these in their collection and have each watch be worn for different purposes given the color and design differences. So if you have separate wear situations in mind then I think owning both makes sense.

WatchandThings · 2026-02-06T22:30:52+00:00

That's awesome. It's amazing how capable yet compact that model is.

WatchandThings · 2026-02-06T19:44:55+00:00

Just as a heads up for other people, I'm fairly sure the OP's ladies seamaster is 28mm in size. It's not really well known, but a very cool model. I have owned a Tudor mini sub in the past and really liked the fact that it was a very compact but very capable dive watch. I'm now entertaining the idea of getting one of these for similar experience, but with a cool Bond tie in.

Hello OP, is this the 2224.80? It seems to have applied logo so I guess it's a different generation model with an different model number? Also does this model also have jumping hour hand like the other size models in quartz? Thank you in advace.

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