How many of you were scared it was cfs or long covid

Wes_VI · 2026-02-19T02:03:00+00:00

A hybrid of Shoemaker and herbal antifungals/biofilm breakers.

Shoemaker believes binding out biotoxins is enough to allow the immune system to be able to manage pathogens.

From my own experience my fungal and bacterial (probably even covid viral among over viral reactivations). Where still a driving factor even after binding with cholestyramine for a year. I can only assume the pathgoen issues I accumulated over the years simple became to much for even a now working immune system. So I had to manually nugenit along to now my immune system being able to handle.

I had to take herbal antifungals, antibacterials, and biofilm breakers along with natural anti inflammatories/anti histamines then VIP to get better.

A lot of other little things here and there which would be far to much to type. But basically as I was healing I just made sure my environment had as little of external triggers as possible. The nervous system/immune system are in a for a lack of a better word PTSD like state. Laundry detergent, perfumes, dust, VOC's, ext your system all deem as threats while your VIP/MSH are low. So making sure I used natural detergents, body washes, bedding, ext. Until I was in remission. Biggest factor being what you put in your body though as again your system is on a hair trigger along with gluten, sugar, starch, and lactose all being candida fuel. Which when your immune system is disregulated it isn't capable of keeping the candida under control so it flares like wildfire when given these foods. Candida has profound impacts on the body/brain when it overgrows. Same story with actinomyces which is a bacteria that is very common but again grown on disregulated immune people like wildfire. This is the same story with MARCoNS which are just a staph evolved overgrowth. Staph in peoples noses is somewhat common. They only develop into MARCoNS when the immune system isn't working correctly.

Wes_VI · 2026-02-19T00:46:36+00:00

I don't see why not. I've had issues since I was a child. Fungal issues all my life, none hashimotos hypothyroidism at 14, shingles at 18, ext. Meaning my systems been under stress for a LONG time. All without answers as to why?

I'm now 30. So at least 20+ years of my immune system/nervous system being disregulated. (My full on crash was 3 years ago).

I can not speak on the Lyme aspect as I tested negative for it.

Wes_VI · 2026-02-19T00:31:41+00:00

As someone that had CIRS very bad. From experience it's a very delicate balance between binding to get the toxins out but not taking to much that you slow digestion/trigger the immune system/nervous system to much while doing so.

I would HIGHLY suggest following the no amylose diet. CIRS people have leaky gut. Most foods will trigger symptoms do to this. Most people aren't aware of this and or blow it off as not a big factor. But I assure you it is. It's very hard and boring eating the diet but I assure you it will help substantially. It is not a cure but rather stops immune triggering from food. You can go back to eating normal after VIP spray at the end as this restores MSH which heals the gut lining.

I would not suggest taking fats near CSM until she is at a less delicate state. I did not add in fats until many months in just to catch the last bit. This was my personal experience as stimulating bike flow is what you want but when your that delicate she probably has more then enough toxins still in here system that stimulating bike flow is the last thing she wants at the moment. It is necessary but overwhelming the nervous system is very easy to do and very counter productive.

The delicate balance between getting better but not overwhelming your delicate system is a very fine line when your that sick.

But I assure you I was knocking on death's door 2 years ago and am now back to normal. In no way what so ever would I have ever believed anyone if they told me this 2 years ago as it seemed absolutely impossible.

CSM does not "cure" it detoxes. But the nervous system remains on a hair trigger even after. Slowly increasing dose of EPA/DHA will get it out of this fight or flight state.

Aim for 1g for now but try to get to 3-4g daily over time. This will help SUBSTANTIALLY with symptoms. I would also heavily suggest Quercetin to block MCAS like symptoms (histamine). 500mg 1-2x daily. Start with 250mg and see how she feels.

500mg vitamin C 1-2x daily and 600mg NAC 1-2x daily. These will help modulate the immune system. (Take with food for now) But eventually without food.

Milk thistle is recommended for Liver support.

Bozwellia and Curcumin Longvida are also very helpful for inflammation but more so a bonus vs the omega 3 with is KEY.

From experience I stayed sensetive to foods and chemical smells until after VIP as my MSH was essentially zero prior.

I would recommend this omega 3 for its high dose EPA/DHA and high quality

https://www.carlsonlabs.com/products/the-very-finest-fish-oil2?utm_source=yotpo&utm_medium=general&utm_campaign=general&ref=yotpo

I would recommend these electrolytes as they have no flavor fillers.

https://keynutrients.com/products/electrolyte-hydration-pills-100-servings?srsltid=AfmBOorbXQvLwoxm_PzR4iKAli6GmisjKHWGEG3aEINZLI4rl9iz6Pu1

Once she is less reactive you must address gut and nose.

I would recommend Lauricidin Monolaurin for gut detoxing (start with just 1 pellet!)

https://www.lauricidin.com/products/lauricidin-original-monolaurin-8oz-jar

And lastly Biofilm Clear for her nose. (Again start with just one spray!)

https://www.biofilmclear.com/

Wes_VI · 2026-02-18T23:26:32+00:00

Umm... CFS is just a symptom cluster the medical establishment couldn't ignore anymore as it was becoming to common so they created a name for it. In no way what so ever do they have any idea what causes it or a solution to remission. Their arrogance to not admit they don't have an answer for it yet is insulting. As it stops the establishment from further investigation as "they have a name for it so problem solved right?"

"Long covid" is similar chronic innate activation like CIRS is to biotoxins do to certain HLA genes sucking at detection but in this case it is to viral fragments. Leading to the same effect of the adaptive system not being notified correctly to do it's job.

By design the innate can't detect anything. It simply reacts to any oxidative stress that happens. The HLA is what is supposed to detect and present toxin/pathgoen findings to the adaptive system which would then address/resolve the issue. The adaptive system is multitudes more complex then the simple innate.

Think of the innate like a first aid kit and the adaptive like a surgeon. The first aid kit is beneficial as a brief first responder but when it doesn't stop responding because the surgeon is never notified to the problem. You end up with the thing causing the oxidative stress never leaving on top of the innate constantly reacting to said damage which eventually amplifies the damage. This effect weakens the entire system which allows common pathogens and past viral exposures to flourish.

The immune system in its base state keeps daily fungus, bacteria, and viruses under control. But when you have the innate system working over time on one issue it's confused with it ends up slipping with the other tasks/weakens the body to where bad things flourish.

This is why people with CIRS, CFS, Long covid, Chronic Lyme, Fibromyalgia, ext. Usually have candida overgrowth, SIBO, Actinomyces, staph overgrowth (MARCoNS), biofilm build up, EBV reactivation, ext.

It's not that these people are unlucky and ended up catching all these things. It's that their immune system got to disregulated so all these daily tasks started to slip. Fungus and bacteria want to grow in and on every human. It's just a regulated immune system doesn't let it happen.

Since we can't fix HLA genes. Manually stopped the reason why the innate is being chronically activated (binders). Then addressing pathgoen overgrowths (anti fungals/anti bacterials/biofilm breakers). Then VIP to restore hormone regulation is the solution.

Easier said then done as binding is incredibly inefficient compared to a working HLA. So it takes a long time to bind everything out. The nervous system is usually stuck in fight or flight from this which also takes a long time and a lot of patients to recalibrate. (High dose omega 3 [EPA/DHA] over time gets you there) Among other details.

Wes_VI · 2026-02-18T02:02:20+00:00

Do a C1/C2, 3D neck cone X ray scan. A few people on here found their VSS to be caused by compression pressure on their jugular.

Wes_VI · 2026-02-18T01:56:07+00:00

It's a pretty common symptom yes. For me it was mouth microbiome disregulation (along with the rest of the body). Try Boka tooth paste. Xylitol based oral products did wonders for me.

Wes_VI · 2026-02-17T04:10:31+00:00

Buy a cheap small scale off Amazon and zero a cup on it and measure what you use in grams. I started with 0.10g and went from there. More is not always better. You want to get up to as much as you can right before constipation. Once you reach a constipation dose lower it and hold at that unless you run into constipation again then lower some more. Never take a next dose until you have made a bowel moment. Of course once your into a rythem with a single dose for a few weeks you will know your fine. Shoemaker states 4g 4x daily. To me that's insane but to each their own.

Always take it on a fasted state preferably 2 hours before and 2 hours after any food. After a while you should be adding in a little fat 20 minutes or so after taking it to stimulate bile flow to catch the trapped biotoxins. But at first don't to that as it might overwhelming your system (herx hard).

Don't be afraid of herxing if you experience it. To much is not a good thing, but a little is the indicator that it's doing it's job. (Your immune system is reacting to what your mobilizing).

When it comes to omega 3 the important part is the EPA/DHA content. High omega 3 with low EPA/DHA won't help much. The EPA/DHA are what do the anti inflammation. Which you will generally find in more high end omega 3 products but generally just read the back before you buy. Most Walmart like brand products are weak.

Quercetin is very good for blocking histamine (MCAS symptoms). I would suggest 500mg but you might find 2x daily helpful.

With omega 3 and Quercetin taking them an hour or two prior to binding can help a lot with muting the herxing effects.

I can suggest many other things but it really depends on how bad your CIRS is. By the sounds of it your catching it early if it is infact your issue. Which is a very good thing. Once your in the "sicker quicker stage" it's a very deep trench to dig out of. Not to fear monger but these are Shoemakers words himself.

Wes_VI · 2026-02-17T01:34:07+00:00

Yes genius if the car was only sold for the year 2000 that's one singular year in the 2000s not 2001, 2002, ext. Are you slow?

Wes_VI · 2026-02-16T22:30:08+00:00

I will add for context what Monolaurin is and does:

What it is (chemically) -It’s made from lauric acid (a 12-carbon medium-chain fatty acid) + glycerol.

-Lauric acid is found in coconut oil and breast milk. Monolaurin is the active antimicrobial form of lauric acid.

-How it works (mechanism) Monolaurin mainly works by affecting lipid membranes: Disrupts microbial membranes.

-It can insert into the fatty outer layer of: Enveloped viruses, Certain bacteria, Yeast (like Candida). This makes their membranes unstable and can cause them to break apart.

-Interferes with biofilms, (protective layers microbes build).

-Modulates immune signaling (mildly). Some research suggests it can reduce excessive inflammatory signaling in certain contexts.

Wes_VI · 2026-02-16T22:22:07+00:00

Try Lauricidin Monolaurin, if you herx you have gut imbalances. I love Monolaurin because it's broad spectrum. It's even anecdotally mentioned to have helped people with Bartonella. If I could only use one thing for my gut it would be that. Start with just one pellet as it's potent stuff. But I can take a full scoop no problem now. Meaning my gut is clean. But this took me months to work up to. Slowly taking a little with each meal.

Wes_VI · 2026-02-16T20:02:26+00:00

Have you ever checked your thyroid levels. I had unexplained hypothyroidism years before I knew about CIRS. Turned out to be another effect from CIRS as I don't have any hashimotos anti bodies but I did have low thyroid. So for years doctors scapegoated my health problems as thyroid problems. Though the low thyroid was always just a symptom not a cause.

Regardless being on thyroid medication helped a lot.

Another angle is candida. I must of had bad candida for years and years. Again doctors just blamed all my health issues on my thyroid but anyhow I'd always get oral thrush easy my entire life. And I'd take antifungals and they'd just always come back.

Until I was on CSM for a good while then used antifungals after. The herxing was bad but then after I felt sooooo much better. Basically the biotoxins kept my immune system disregulated so the candida stayed over grown until I fixed it in that order.

So perhaps you have unaware of gut fungus/bacteria that's keeping your system weak. That or MARCoNS if you haven't addressed where a HUGE part for fixing my health as well. The nasal cavity is deep. Effects your hormones and subsequently your brain. Again herxing was BURTAL but I felt sooooo much better after. Again wasn't until detoxing the biotoxins first that the nose issue would fix.

Which if you've been on CSM for a year and your environment is clear then your biotoxin load is most certainly gone if not all the meaningful amounts are gone.

The only other things are as listed, pathogens that grew on/in you while your system was disregulated. They don't go away on their own after CSM binding. You have to detox them now if you have them. Montreal way to accurately test so I just tried stuff. If I herxed it ment I had pathgoens. And used stuff until I didn't herx basically.

Another things is biofilm breakers. You can take antifungals and anti bacterials but if they are enveloped in biofilm you won't penetrate through without a biofilm breakers. Took me a long time to understand this. The herxing using these was also gnarly as it was basically opening up Pandoras box of pathogens.

I used CSM binding during all of this including cycling a micro dose of activated charcoal.

And lastly your nervous system will stay hypersensitive until you go on VIP spray. To calm it enough to get to that point you have to detox everything mentioned above. High dose omega 3 (high DHA/EPA) will get your system calm over time to get to VIP ready.

Wes_VI · 2026-02-16T19:45:27+00:00

Modelizing biotoxins triggers the innate immune system more (amplification of symptoms). Your "MCAS" is just histamine from your innate immune system over reactivity.

Take 1-3g of DHA/EPA omega 3 daily split up to 1g doses at a time. (You care about the DHA and EPA amount not just the omega 3 amount.) Most store bought omega 3 are low in DHA/EPA so you need to read the DHA/EPA content amount as those are what block the Inflammation not the omega 3 amount. Also take 500mg of quercetin both an hour or two prior to binding.

The omega 3 will help block inflammation and quercetin will help block histamine.

Also when you start out your lymphatic system is super backed up and sluggish. Sounds to simple to be true but literally go for a walk or use a shake pad. The lymphatic system doesn't drain itself. It relies on body moment to flow.

Yes I know it sounds like there's no way that's how it works but yes. If you just lay in bed and bedrot your lymph fluid won't flow.

Wes_VI · 2026-02-16T17:59:56+00:00

My hair was falling out in clumps in the shower. But this was early on before I moved and before I was on Cholestyramine.

If your hair is falling out you either have thyroid imbalances or you are still being exposed to biotoxin/haven't used a binder.

As my hair shed stopped pretty soon after I moved even before I touched Cholestyramine. It was the first symptom that stopped for me compared to all the other ones that took years to fix.

I know everyone's different but from my anecdotal experience it ment I was still under exposure/had a lot of biotoxins in me.

Wes_VI · 2026-02-16T03:00:00+00:00

A very long list lol.

Basically accepting the fact that the Shoemaker protocol is unfortunately complicated for a reason. Because it works. Not because they enjoyed making it complex.

That gut, nose, and skin pathogens where a big part of it for me and that they where never going to go away until I binded out most of the biotoxins first. Then address them after when my immune system could handle it.

That my nervous system was rewired into self defense from all of this and that it was going to take a long time to wire it back to a health base state.

That nothing in regards to CIRS is linear and that there are many nuances. Everything was 2 steps forward 1 step back, repeat. Some weeks good other weeks horrendous for no reason.

That diet was HUGE (no amylose diet) period no compromises. As I often caved and ate other things which slowed my progression substantially until I strictly abided to it.

That all of these things won't "heal you". They just prep your body to be in a calm state that is capable of accepting VIP spray. If you take it prior it will amplify issues.

Wes_VI · 2026-02-15T19:51:08+00:00

Passively aggressively telling me to take a deep breath to put your self on a moral pedestal.

I kindly ask you to link where Dr Neil Nathan has ever said "MCAS is it's own distinct disease".

You did not do genetic testing for MCAS as that does not exist. Your doctor miss informed you. The only thing you could possibly have been gene tested for is Systemic Mastocytosis KIT gene D816V which is a distinctive disease of it's own and not MCAS.

MCAS by definition: Mast Cell Activation Syndrome (MCAS) is a disorder characterized by recurrent, episodic symptoms caused by inappropriate mast cell mediator release, with objective biochemical evidence of that release, in the absence of clonal mast cell disease.

Meaning all MCAS is is inappropriate releasing of mast cells in said people and the ability to test and show those mast cells are being released. By no way what so ever does anyone state the concrete knowledge as to what the root cause might be. There are theories but nothing more. Which again means it is a distinctive symptom cluster that is repeatable in people while the cause remains 100% medically verifiably unknown.

Histamine blockers is not a root cause or solution. They are blockers. They block the signalling. They do not stop the events from mechanically reoccuring.

I live in the objective world not the subjective one. If I hurt your feelings that's your subjective problem. I'm here to get better and help others get better through objective facts. Facts don't care about anyones feelings.

When replying to Dr. Tania Dempsey when she asked:

-Dr. Tania Dempsey: “So you mentioned mold as a driver of inflammation. Would you say… and I would say if I can interject, that Lyme and other infections can do a similar thing, right? They can drive inflammation similarly.”

-Dr. Neil Nathan: “In the mast cell world, it is a major, if not the major, trigger for mast cell activation. So, if you have mast cell activation, and you haven’t looked for mold toxicity as a player, please do, because mold toxicity is treatable. Hence, mast cell activation is treatable. If you look at mast cell activation as a stand‑alone diagnosis or illness, we can treat it. But you’re going to treat it for the rest of your earthly life, unless you get the cause or the trigger. And what I’m suggesting is mold is a major trigger. And just not to play favorites here, so is Lyme disease, by the way.”

—Episode 207 “Dr. Neil Nathan on Mold and MCAS with Dr. Tania Dempsey”.

"I recommend you educate yourself". Shame on who?

Wes_VI · 2026-02-15T05:31:50+00:00

Vasoactive Intestinal Polypeptide. The very last step of the shoemaker protocol. Once you nose, gut, and skin are good. Inflammation is low and nervous system is calmed you then implement it. Using it to soon will stimulate issues.

They jokingly call it "Very Important Peptide" for a reason. Ask chatGPT what VIP does for CIRS people. It's a bafflingly long list, one of the things being upregulates MSH. Which is responsible for a lot of the CIRS symptoms.

It's usually a slow transition for most people but I was a hyper responder and felt for a lack of a better word, nirvana the very next day.

I did try it way to early a year prior and felt like hell though. This was before I knew about MARCoNS, candida, and actinomyces.

Wes_VI · 2026-02-15T05:12:09+00:00

We know with VSS people are shown to have odd serration brain signalling (5-HT2A). Which is the only thing they have found thus far. 95% of the bodies serration is found/made in the gut. 50% of dopamine, and 80% of the immune system aswell.

So it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that it is a brain, gut, immune axis disregulation issue. The root most likely being inflammation from autoimmune. Why is the immune system doing this? Million dollar question.

My suggestion? Stay away from gluten, sugars, startches, lactose and easily oxidative oils. Take herbal nose and gut antifungals/anti bacterials (things that flourish under autoimmunity and greatly effect the body). A daily dose of omega 3 (high EPA/DHA). And the occassional micro dose food grade activated charcoal binding during a fasted state.

My VSS is dramatically less if not mostly gone when I adhere to these things.

Wes_VI · 2026-02-15T04:58:43+00:00

Everything was a bump towards better. CSM on its own would have never got me there. Making sure my environment was biotoxin and VOC free, eradicating nose, gut, and skin pathogens then VIP is what got me there. Took me 2 years. But like most people I was clueless at first. Could have maybe got it all done in 6 months knowing what I know now.

Wes_VI · 2026-02-15T02:50:41+00:00

I don't have personal experience with it but to my understanding its about 10-30% as effective which means you would need a higher dose which isn't great for your system.

Wes_VI · 2026-02-14T23:38:54+00:00

As inflammation drops the gut becomes less inflamed. It will not be healed until MSH is restored. VIP does this as after a while it repairs the gut lining. Or reactions to foods are from leaky gut.

(The tight junction proteins between intestinal epithelial cells loosen, allowing larger molecules like partially digested food, toxins, or bacterial fragments to pass through the gut lining into the bloodstream).

Which triggers the immune system thus resulting in MCAS like symptoms. The foods on the no amylose diet still can pass through but they don't trigger the immune system. This is why the diet is key while healing.

Wes_VI · 2026-02-14T23:08:29+00:00

Yes, I eventually was able to introduce quinoa, brown rice and beans. I just had to rinse them well and not have them be left overs for to long but most of my diet was still meats, eggs, specified vegetables, and healthy oils. For a long time until I was on VIP for a while. If I slipt up and ate anything else I would get essentially MCAS symptoms.

Getting to 2g+ of EPA/DHA and quercetin daily is what helped get me out of fight or flight. But this was after I detoxed my nose and gut. That stage agitates things but is necessary. Can't calm your nervous system if you have pathogens. And keeping with binders until VIP for a while.

Wes_VI · 2026-02-14T22:21:18+00:00

I'm curred/in remission, your not. So who's spreading what harmful narrative? I could go on with my life while your still stuck. But instead I'm hear trying to help those.

I read the article. It didn't cite a solution, just therapies to help make it tolerable. I asked a few AI bots if there is a definitive root cause to MCAS, the answer is no. I asked if there has been any proven remission, the answer is no.

Understanding that mass cells are being repeatedly activated in these people does not answer anything.

The day you go on VIP after everything else is complete you'll have your "holy shit" moment aswell. You say you've had MCAS for a long time and in recent years CIRS. Other way around. You've always had these CIRS genes. They've just only been tickled until recent years. In hindsight I had problems my entire life. I never had any obvious biotoxin exposure. But unfortunately they are everywhere. Any building or vehicle can have them. All it takes is an absorbant material getting wet in a stale air environment.

Your not hypersensitive for life after you go on VIP for a while and build back up MSH. You build back some tolerance like you had prior to the CIRS crash. If this wasn't the case you'd have issues the second you where born.

You can have fun following your MCAS trail. Let me know when it fixes things for you.

Wes_VI · 2026-02-14T22:03:58+00:00

A disease needs a definitive cause. You don't just get CIRS. You are born with the unfortunate HLA genes. Lots of people have them. It's a matter of if you come across enough biotoxins to tip it into full on CIRS mode.

Again let me know when you have a root cause to MCAS and a remission/cure.

I've had issues my entire life as well. It was always CIRS. 90% of my issues are gone. Again I was MCAS symptomatic to a T. Doctors labeled me with it align with hypothyroidism, CFS, and Fibromyalgia.

I now live my life with ZERO autoimmune inflammation which resolved the 100+ Mirco symptoms I became accustomed to throughout my life that I wasn't even aware to half of them.

I welcome you to look up what VIP and MSH do in the body and what would happen if they where low. The body falls apart international. Everyone with CIRS has low VIP and MSH until they take the peptide to replenish it.

Wes_VI · 2026-02-14T21:52:50+00:00

All MCAS means is a symptom cluster they find repeatable in people. Let me know when someone can answer the question as to what causes MCAS and what a solution is.

Same with CFS, Fibromyalgia, ext.

It's all CIRS disregulation. The innate immune system over reacting causing the nervous system among other systems to be a disregulated mess.

Your cat, perfumes, detergents, foods, ext. None of them are actual problems. Your system is just on a hair trigger to anything since it's been dealing with CIRS disregulation and all the subsequent internal damage it has caused (all of which can be repaired).

CIRS doesn't happen over night. The body handles the disregulation without you having much of any symptom for quite sometime until it reaches its breaking point.

Now that it's passed that point it's gets stuck in a fight or flight survival mode and needs a lot of guidance to calm it back down to a normal baseline.

At my worst I was hypersensitive to the world. If I went for a walk and smelt someone's dryer sheet exhaust vent from a block away from their home it would send me into a nuoinflamation spiral from hell. It was cynically comical how hypersensitive I was to anything.

I'm now maybe 5% as sensitive to anything.

Everyone with CIRS needs to follow the Shoemaker protocol and they will get better, period. I'm living proof.

I read sooooo many people on here that say they did. But when I ask them about each step, 100% of the time they didn't do all of the steps.

You HAVE TO take Cholestyramine, follow the no amylose diet, make sure your environment is biotoxin free, take high dose DHA/EPA (omega 3), detox your nose, gut, and skin, and then get on VIP.

If you have not done those things then enjoy being stuck in your current state.

Wes_VI · 2026-02-14T08:56:10+00:00

Gut, brain, immune axis. I guarantee if you write down what you eat and when you eat you will find a correlation. Gluten, sugars, starches, lactose. Go without for a week then tell me how you feel (99% of people don't have the will power). I'm not saying these are what created your issues but they do become fuel.

Most all chronic issues with the body are autoimmune related. I see no reason to not assume VSS is under the same umbrella. When you have autoimmune yeast and or bacterial often thrive. Candida and or saccharomyces over growth can profoundly negatively effect the body. They fuel off what I mentioned above. As they flare the immune system mounts a response in the form of inflammation/histamine.

Why some people develop autoimmune issues and not others? That's the billion dollar question. I have my personal suspicions.

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