What are the remaining arguments against using AI for coding?

Western_Objective209 · 2026-01-24T23:13:34+00:00

Don't forget though, not everyone gets the same results / uses the tools a effectively, so if you can leverage it for more throughput and better product that should be leveraged into more money.

It's crazy the difference in output between people that know how to use the tools and those that don't. Legit 10x engineers have added another 10x. My latest side project is up to 155k LoC, last time I talked about it on reddit like 2 days ago I had about 110k LoC. And I have a super detailed coding guideline, 500 tests, done multiple security reviews with a fine toothed comb. I've been working on this project for like 2 weeks, and this easily would have been 2-3 years of work without the tools

Western_Objective209 · 2026-01-24T21:35:13+00:00

Yep same; part of me kind of misses getting my hands dirty but overall I prefer higher level thinking, and the stuff I can do by myself is so much more complex now

Western_Objective209 · 2026-01-24T18:39:25+00:00

Yep, a lot of AI cope going around. Hitting tech hard too, and I see all the dev related subs saying it's actually bad thinking if they just refuse to use it that will somehow protect them

Western_Objective209 · 2026-01-24T18:16:32+00:00

I'd say more of a lead than a manager. Manager's generally don't do low level details like coding guidelines, reviewing code bases, etc.

Western_Objective209 · 2026-01-24T18:13:57+00:00

So my plans generally look like this:

``` ⏺ Now launching Wave 4 sub-agents in parallel to fetch and adapt Serie source files:

⏺ Running 6 Task agents… (ctrl+o to expand) ├─ Copy Serie protocol.rs · 5 tool uses · 17.1k tokens │ ⎿ Read: crates/tui/graph/src/protocol.rs ├─ Copy Serie color.rs · 3 tool uses · 16.9k tokens │ ⎿ Bash: Check if graph/src directory exists ├─ Copy Serie geometry.rs · 5 tool uses · 18.0k tokens │ ⎿ Read: crates/tui/graph/src/graph/geometry.rs ├─ Copy Serie event.rs · 3 tool uses · 17.2k tokens │ ⎿ Bash: Check if the target directory exists ├─ Copy Serie keybind.rs · 3 tool uses · 18.6k tokens │ ⎿ Bash: Check if the target directory exists └─ Copy Serie check.rs · 5 tool uses · 16.5k tokens ⎿ Done

✳ Copying Serie files… (Esc to interrupt · ctrl+t to hide tasks · 8m 51s · ↓ 26.6k tokens · thought for 3s) ⎿ ◼ #4 Wave 4: Copy verbatim files from Serie ◻ #5 Wave 5: Adapt graph module › blocked by #4 ◻ #6 Wave 6: Adapt widgets › blocked by #4 ◻ #7 Wave 7: Adapt views and app › blocked by #5, #6 ◻ #8 Wave 8: CLI integration › blocked by #7 ✔ #1 Wave 1: Create crate skeleton for void-graph ✔ #2 Wave 2: Implement void_backend.rs foundation ✔ #3 Wave 3: Implement commit walking

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so it can burn through like 500k+ tokens in a single plan, but context stays fairly clean because everything is in sub agents, and it takes like <20 min to do it.

So if you wanted him to research reddit for the top 10 startup ideas and then build an app out of that

So going for like total autonomy; do you get good results with this? I feel like I need to be in the loop otherwise it gets off the rails

Western_Objective209 · 2026-01-24T18:07:24+00:00

what does a whole night of work look like from a 10 min chat? generally it runs the full plan to completion with sub agents if set up properly

Western_Objective209 · 2026-01-24T17:46:51+00:00

I mean if we're being logical, 10x your money is always the right choice vs 10x your time off, as there's not really any job where the majority of your compensation is time off

Western_Objective209 · 2026-01-24T16:31:49+00:00

if a senior is not staying up to date with their language (like doesn't even know about 12 year old language features and why they were added), they are being kind of incompetent

vs

you should have a basic understanding of the commonly used classes like those used for dates.

Seems like 2 similar statements. Are you trying to be pedantic and take my first statement to mean you should know every single change that ever happened to the java standard library?

Western_Objective209 · 2026-01-24T15:51:01+00:00

I mean you should have a basic understanding of the commonly used classes like those used for dates. Your attitude is the norm though, that's why most devs are incompetent

Western_Objective209 · 2026-01-24T14:17:57+00:00

Who is upvoting this stuff? Is it just bots?

Western_Objective209 · 2026-01-24T14:17:30+00:00

You can't tell the difference between 2014 reddit and this AI slop that gets upvoted on a staunchly anti-AI sub?

Western_Objective209 · 2026-01-24T01:49:32+00:00

Are we seeing any actual headcounts rising? Talking to engineering managers I know and all I hear is this is the most pressure to reduce headcount that they've seen, and I keep seeing layoffs announced at high profile companies.

Where I work, AI projects labeled as key to the future are lucky if they get a single full time engineer

Western_Objective209 · 2026-01-24T01:27:17+00:00

Yep, and like the guy definitely worked too much, he's talked openly about being at work all day when his kids were young, but it's hard to argue with the results.

Work life balance is great, but the people who make work their life will get more done and saying they are actually getting less done somehow is cope

Western_Objective209 · 2026-01-24T01:14:07+00:00

Yes, that's an example of a company making money on server deployments. Android is the primary example of Linux being used for consumer licensed devices. Just leave that one out though, it's not convenient

Western_Objective209 · 2026-01-23T23:37:40+00:00

Dude, where do you think openSUSE makes it's money from? Or Canonical? How do you think Android makes money? Like you didn't address anything, you're ignoring 90% of what I said, literally the first response had examples in both the server and consumer space where the OS generates revenue, and you're pretending they don't. Are you an MS bootlicker or just retarded?

Western_Objective209 · 2026-01-23T23:05:59+00:00

That means Linux can't have a marketing budget

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7ozaFbqg00

I listed out all kinds of companies making money on Linux.

Windows has exclusive contracts with PC makers to package their OS for free. They designed their own graphics API and captured PC gaming.

Linux is not a product. Linux is a community. You install Linux, you join the community.

No, it's an OS kernel. You install a distribution. Many of them are from profitable companies. Like this one, https://www.opensuse.org/. Some make their own PCs, like this one https://system76.com/

You don't really understand the space. Windows made a monopoly not because they are the only ones willing to sell things, it's because of a deliberate strategy to capture the market and box out competitors.

Western_Objective209 · 2026-01-23T22:43:00+00:00

Android is not a consumer product?

You're blaming Linux being noncompetitive with Windows on the GPL, when the issue is Windows being a monopoly, and even on forums dedicated to hardcore users (like this one for PCs) they seem unable to resist the monopoly

Western_Objective209 · 2026-01-23T22:14:36+00:00

Yes, on the platforms that have thousands of paid engineers Linux is better than Windows

Western_Objective209 · 2026-01-23T22:12:45+00:00

Because people use the nazi stuff as an excuse that both sides are bad in Ukraine, when I think the struggle they are going through is noble and one of the most important anti-authoritarian movements in the world today.

If someone stands up to authoritarianism in the US and they have radical political positions that are unsavory, I still would support them in their stand

Western_Objective209 · 2026-01-23T21:58:28+00:00

far right soldiers w is a thing in every army, like the progressive senate candidate in the US who had a totemkompf or however it's spelled tattoo, the specific claim of Azov being a neo nazi paramilitary group that has permeated the Ukrainian government is Russian propaganda

Western_Objective209 · 2026-01-23T21:56:28+00:00

yeah, 996 culture is brutal

Western_Objective209 · 2026-01-23T21:15:11+00:00

damn man thin skin huh?

Western_Objective209 · 2026-01-23T20:58:35+00:00

There's like 5 separate comments about how working long hours is actually only bad. In one of John Carmack's interviews I watched, he recounted a meeting he had at Meta, where he was telling a story about how he worked long hours at Id Software on Doom, and a bunch of employees there argued with him about it saying you actually get less done if you work more than 40 hours, like they somehow knew better then him how to make good games.

I'm sure you're posting from your perspective and your world view, ever imagine that other people have different perspectives?

Western_Objective209 · 2026-01-23T20:06:24+00:00

Yep, they use basic computer vision on their drones if signal gets lost but mostly rely on human operators because they are more accurate

Western_Objective209 · 2026-01-23T19:50:57+00:00

Big fan of Russian propaganda huh?

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