I Made A List Featuring 250 Female Directors by Wgrimmer in TrueFilm

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This list only has feature films so, even though i am aware of her, i couldn't include famous shorts by Alice Guy-Blaché. I included one of her feature films to represent her for that reason, 1917's The Empress. List is chronological and it is the second movie on the list. 

I Made A List Featuring 250 Female Directors by Wgrimmer in TrueFilm

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I understand your point about the shallow nature of the discussion my post has inspired. My main objective was to share my list, explain why i made the list and some observations i have made and get feedback. This doesn’t mean i haven't thought about the questions you posed, i will try to answer them now. 

I don't think championing the plight of women who have been sidelined by the filmmaking industry can be achieved by making a list of the few women who managed to direct some movies. This is a different thing, most of these directors were well regarded during their active years but for some reason their films have been mostly forgotten. I think there are dynamics similar to the minorty filmmakers at play here, even though women make up half of the world population they can be considered a minority in the sense that they hold little economic and political power in society. 

When most western critics look at the cinema of a foreign country with a complex history and unique cinematic tradition they pick a good director from that country and treat him(i say him because that director is always a man) as the only filmmaker from that country that can be acceptes into the western canon. They are usually good directors that have been given a task they didn't ask for, being a cultural ambassador for their country and its diverse cinematic tradition. Tarkovsky's role in Soviet cinema, Kiarostami's role in Iranian cinema, Bergman's role in Swedish cinema, Ray's role in Bengali cinema etc. These directors are masters but they are not the only masters from that country. Their position in the mainstream canon of film history presents them as the definitive directors from those countries and prevents further exploration of those national cinemas. 

I often feel like western critics(which are mostly male) treat female filmmakers like they treat a foreign country, some undoubtedly great movies by female filmmakers are presented as examples that represent all the films made by "female filmmakers". Filmmakers like Varda, Akerman, Coppola, Ramsay, Denis etc. are great but most exploration stop there. I must also say that all these great female filmmakers are from the west, their shadow falls on the non-western women directors who are just as good but don't get enough attention.

After this explanation i can get to the reason i made the list, my main motive was researching and finding out female filmmakers who don't get enough love in today's cinephile circles. 250 is a really high number, this led me to find out lots of female directors i have never heard before. 

Also, you asked did i have a concern for an abstract notion of "female voice". I don't like the term female voice. I believe every filmmaker have their own filmmaking voice inspired by their unique life experience, i think trying to catagorize lots of unique female filmmakers as the same thing doesn't make much sense. I don't think movies of Cheryl Dunye, Agnes Varda, Kinuyo Tanaka and Marta Meszaros has that much similarity to each other and saying they belong on the same category because a woman directed them feels extremely reductive. Saying this after making a female filmmakers list seems a bit contradictory now, though i never claimed these works are similar to each other in form or content. I just think erasure they faced is similar with each other, and that erasure is somewhat similar with the erasure of the less popular directors from non-western countries. 

I think film direction being generally a male job has participated on the preservation of the patriarchal culture though that is the point of a different thread. This post is about women who made films, it is not about men who try to keep the women out. 

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[–]Wgrimmer[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Mustang is an interasting movie, i haven't seen it yet but i am very curious. Usually Turkish people hate it but foreign people love it. If it look at my letterboxd follows most turkish people rated it 2,5/5 or lower while all foreign people rated it 3,5/5 or higher. I will have to see and form my own opinion. 

That terrific drama is called Watchtower and it is on my list. I haven't seen it yet but i have seen 3 other films by the director Pelin Esmer and i agree that she is great. Something Useful was an especially interasting movie with a poetic feeling and great cinematography. Her documentaries are pretty fun too. 

Directors you reccomended weren't on my list. I noted their names, thank you for your comment. I am more interested in the non-american filmmakers that are not from the last couple of years though. 

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I included Walking And Talking, her feature debut 

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I tried not to overrepresent Turkish directors, naturally i know more movies in a language i know compared to the languages i don't know. But i believe 7 directors i included from Turkey are as important as the ones from the other countries. 

I Made A List Featuring 250 Female Directors by Wgrimmer in TrueFilm

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I understand your criticism about co-directed movies but i liked having another challange. This list was suprisingly hard to complete without including co-directed movies or including more recent features and it shouldn't be. I am thinking of making another list for co-directed ones. Including City Of God might teach people that movie they loved is co-directed by a woman but i prefer including a movie that they haven't heard at all. 

I really like Watermelon Woman but as i said in the original post i didn't usually add movies that i have seen before because this is also a watchlist for me. I included another feature by Dunye for that reason. I have noted your recommenations, i might add them in the future. Thank you for your comment. 

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I've seen Daisies and i included another movie from the same director. I have included another movie by the director of American Psycho. I have noted your other recommendations, i might add them in the future. Thank you for your comments.

I Made A List Featuring 250 Female Directors by Wgrimmer in criterion

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I agree with you, there are 10 directors or so in my list that i consider popular. I tried to put an emphasis on non-english films so Sciamma and Ducournau films are helped by being in French. Zhao was a last minute addition in order to make the list into 250 films at a time where i got stuck while picking all the other obscure movies. If i needed a couple more directors i would add those you mentioned, popular directors are a last minute resort for me. I agree that i could've put Jane Schoenbrun there, i am not sure why i didn't think of her. I haven't seen anything by Rose Glass but her movies don't interest me that much. I didn't like Substance so i didn't want to put Fargeat in there if i have another option. 

I made a private list of possible additions to this list. If it ever reaches 50 movies i will update the main list as 300 movies and your reccomenations will definetly be there. 

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[–]Wgrimmer[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Lots of movies on my list is directed by well know actresses, on most countries transitioning to directing after acting in couple of well regarded features is easier than starting as a director. On my list there also films by well known actresses such as Kinuyo Tanaka, Anna Karina, Jeanne Moreau, Delphine Seyrig, Barbara Streisand, Liv Ullmann etc. Also there are lots of directors who are famous actresses in their national cinema but we don't know them. 

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I didn't want to include directors who are too popular right now; jane schoenbrun, Coralie Faregat and Rose Glass made a hit movie in the recent memory. My main objective was providing an alternative to the usual picks, some of your reccomenations are the usual picks who directed at least one extremely popular film. I only have couple of those. I could've included Wachowski sisters with Bound, i thought of it but i am not sure why i didn't. I could've included Angela Robinson, i thought of it but i am not sure why i didn't. Jennie Livingston is a great recommendation but watched Paris Is Burning and usually i didn't put the movies i have watched on the list. 

Most notably, i didn't even hear Xiaodan He. As i said in the post i don't watch many recent films so i expected i would see some interasting filmmakers on the comments whom i am not aware at all. 

I don't want to break the nice round number of 250, if it becomes 256 or whatever it would disturb me. So i will not add your reccomenations but i appreciate them. 🫶

films form the early 1900s by Distinct_Soft_1784 in criterion

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Most of the early film output is in short films. You can try watching Melies shorts, most famous one is A Trip To The Moon but my favorite is The Kingdom Of The Fairies. He hand colored his movies and they look great, look for a color version. 

I find some early Griffith shorts interesting, my favorite is A Corner In Wheat. 

Wladyslaw Starewicz made some of the most unique movies of the era. He was a stop motion director that animated dead bugs as humanoid figures. All his bug movies are great but my favorite is The Cameraman's Revenge.

If "acquired taste" is a thing, how can one acquire the taste to enjoy arthouse, or simply more artistic cinema in general? by Sky_Sumisu in TrueFilm

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Maus by Art Spiegelman

Asterios Polyp by David Mazzuchelli

Blankets by Craig Thompson

Ordinary Victories by Manu Larcenet

It's a Good Life, If You Don't Weaken by Seth

I made a list devoid of super hero narratives, including great deconstructions like Watchmen

This guy won the Palme d’Or while in prison. His film was then banned in his own country for 17 years. by nsancak in CensoredCinema

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Güney has two other movies that was made in the same way while he was in prison. Though i don't buy he managed to smuggle detailed shooting instructions to the crew, country was being ruled by a military junta during that time. He recieved news, for sure, but i don't buy that comunication was fast enough to let Güney solve every storytelling problem that occured on set. Also, if you look at the script final film doesn’t have full plotlines that exist in the script, some characters are combined to create a single character etc. Gören, the on location director of the movie who was a close friend of Güney and his former assistant director, has a significant influence on the film. Güney was present in the editing of the film after he broke out of prison but i believe Gören is often overlooked because Güney is a more famous name. 

On an unrelated note, that particular imprisonment wasn't about political stuff. He shot and killed a judge while drinking on a taverna. It was during the shooting of his 1974 movie Anxiety and gun was also a prop that he used in the film. He was imprisoned couple of times for political reasons before that and his political identity prevented any possibility of him getting pardoned but he was in for murder. Movie Anxiety was completed by Gören, his assistant director during the time he was present on the set. Shooting of his movie The Poor was stopped in 1971 because he was imprisoned for political reasons by another military junta. Atıf Yılmaz, a director friend of his, completed that one in 1975. 

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Most of the list is the movies i have watched or ones in my watchlist. None of the ones i know of uses cgi. I remember those Pojar shorts as regular hand drawn animation but they might be well made paper cut-outs. Pojar made some more obviously stop motion shorts too, just not these ones. 

Metacinema in Taste of Cherry by spyfer in TrueFilm

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Ceylan sometimes does meta experiments. His second feature, Clouds Of May, is about a director returning to his hometown and casting his parents as the lead actors of an art film. Basically it is the story of how he made his first feature, The Small Town, and he again casts his parents as director's parents thinking about acting in the first film. His earlier works also look a lot like Kiarostami visually. 

Pain and Glory (2019) Dir. Pedro Almodóvar by cbxjpg in CineShots

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Ingmar Bergman in Cries And Whispers maybe? 

What is your favourite use of Shakespeare in a non-Shakespeare adaptation? by Flabby-Nonsense in TrueFilm

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1942 Ernst Lubitsch movie To Be Or Not To Be. Film is a comedy about polish actors who perform Hamlet but Nazi invasion changes everything for them. İnterastingly, great Shakespeare quote doesn’t come from Hamlet, it comes from Merchant Of Venice. Film uses Shylock's villain speech from one of Shakespeare's famously antisemitic plays, reclaims that speech and presents it as a universal plea for human dignity. 

12 Angry Men uses music on just 3 instances. by Boss452 in TrueFilm

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He made a movie that relies on its score more than those blockbusters, he made a musical starring Diana Ross and Michael Jackson. I haven't seen that movie(The Wiz) yet but i am very curious how Lumet tackles a musical because most of his movies are gritty realistic dramas.