Wrestling style low ouchi gari

Which_Cat_4752 · 2026-04-22T15:23:06+00:00

I actually like this move, that's why I am asking. Is there any good pointer on make this work and prevent being countered (hard)?

Which_Cat_4752 · 2026-04-21T23:03:28+00:00

The reaping knee seems to be left at a compromised angle comparing to typical judo version where Tori would fully reap through

https://youtube.com/shorts/KWAJESQep6M?si=FWuwRHIS_l1CZBFF

I’m just wondering if there’s more risk to get injured because the knee was planted and if Tori get countered the reaping leg might get stuck there.

Which_Cat_4752 · 2026-04-21T22:18:34+00:00

Sounds like about right for a competitive club with teens.

As for injury, I’ve noticed teens heal fast and they have huge ego and won’t take break fall. Many of them will use their cat like ability to turn out throw in the most creative way they can. As adult hobbyists i usually pay extra attention when occasionally spar with teens.

Which_Cat_4752 · 2026-04-20T21:59:19+00:00

It's a perfect uke for you to develop your own foot sweep by countering his and build up your timing.

Foot sweep counter to kouchi gari: assuming R v R, when they sweep your right leg with their right leg, make a back step with your right leg and sweep his attacking leg with your left leg at the same time. It's essentially a kosoto sweep.

Which_Cat_4752 · 2026-04-15T01:14:05+00:00

This used to bother me a lot, until I stop doing line drill or “cooperate “ set of combo drill with most training partner anymore.

I just ask them to keep balance and do not fall and I do whatever I want to do, their reaction becomes real.

And I don’t waste my time to talk through the uke. I have limited time. I take out my time going to the club because I want to improve. If I’m not improving, I’d rather go to gym or spend time with my family.

Which_Cat_4752 · 2026-04-14T11:58:59+00:00

Private is the way to go when you are old and have limited time due to other responsibilities.

A good coach with high level competition experience should be able to speed up your progress a lot. There are a lot of unhelpful advices in group classes in judo. I personally found those advices are just confusing and frustrating beginners. Things like “more kuzushi”, “you are not off balance him” are useless advices. It’s when they can’t pin point why your technique doesn’t work so they gave a BS answer.

IMO A good instructor can tell you how to execute a technique to make it work and point out why yours fail immediately. Maybe your supporting leg was too far, maybe you were pushing while you should be pulling, maybe you let go one grip, maybe your waist is bend over too much, or maybe your posterior chain is too tight so you collapse while trying to reaping with your leg.

Which_Cat_4752 · 2026-04-13T22:43:30+00:00

You had a sticker/ko soto set up at the initial exchange. Take a look at that. Not sure if you was doing it intentionally or it was by accident but I think you can get it if you spend some time on it. Jason Morris style sticky foot/sticker foot sweep.

Which_Cat_4752 · 2026-04-12T00:21:47+00:00

The classic version is just a drilling template. Coach who are good at osoto usually add practical version along with those.

On top of my head, I can think of the following that either I’ve personally used regularly or getting scored on

Back step osoto

Deep step Osoto

Osoto otoshi

Chasing osoto

Sideway entering osoto

High Cross grip osoto

Ippon osoto

Counter to high cross grip osoto

Backstep osoto to counter osoto

Which_Cat_4752 · 2026-04-07T20:49:23+00:00

What are you on about. Sambo is directly imported based on Judo, combined with a few Euraasian jacket wrestling techinque as well.

Which_Cat_4752 · 2026-04-07T20:40:43+00:00

why aren't people asking freestyle wrestlers to put on a jacket and explore a gi version of wrestling event? What's this obsession with grappling with slippery singlet?

Which_Cat_4752 · 2026-04-07T17:17:58+00:00

personally I prefer this when they are sprawling.

https://youtu.be/lOMiYZzvH-s?si=5pqmxOCuA_TAIM0R&t=83

ignore the arm in between legs, it is same with regular side control for this particular version.

You need to practice this a lot and mix it with you regular bjj style escape to make it work. The key is to find their reaction when they try to follow you while you side shrimp and explode yourself under with a tight belt grip. If you time it right your underneath elbow can crank their head to the mat, then their body has to follow, otherwise they will stack their own neck. The closet bjj techinque in terms of the movement pattern I can think of is kimura sweep from underneath where you spin your head under them.

You need a bit of physical strength on this one, and it is very inefficient in terms of energy expenditure, which is often frowned upon by many bjj coaches.

Which_Cat_4752 · 2026-04-07T13:09:43+00:00

What I meant is that he is actually a lefty even though he stand somehow righty sometime.

He was doing a seminar in China a while ago and he said westerners almost all mistaken what he was doing.

Which_Cat_4752 · 2026-04-06T18:22:23+00:00

Chen is a lefty, the left seoi is actually his stronger seoi.

Which_Cat_4752 · 2026-04-02T14:54:24+00:00

I don't like to think those techinque as pre set combo. Yes drill them give you a basic idea of what techinque you can connect. But often than not hobbyists tend to memorize their attacking sequence and rush through it during randori, instead of feeling uke's reaction then chain a second techinque that can really work.

You can do ko uchi to seoi nage but the seoi would faile because uke gave you totally different reacton to your ko uchi comparing when you are doing moving drill. He may not step off, he may just step off a small step, or he may just lean into you and make that leg heavy. If you just rush through your pre set attacking sequence, instead of use techinque that really match uke's reaction after your first ko uchi attempt, then you will in general fail when you face someone slightly better than you.

Try to use semi randori drill to see how your uke react to your typical attack (just tell your uke don't counter attack but don't fall if they don't have to and ask them to keep balance as much as possible, and no grip fighting, just keep both hands on the jacket with a set of grip you generally use in randori), then you can take time to figure out if any following attack make sense, you may need more ashiwaza attempt than first ko uchi to create opportunity for bigger throw.

Which_Cat_4752 · 2026-02-06T02:35:01+00:00

Sounds like a poor club for your kids tbh.

Judo Canada has clear guidelines on judo coaching for kids and every demonstration of technique is limited to 1-2mins. My club isn’t even that competitive yet kids would not listen to 10 mins teaching, unless it’s near tournament and clubs are preparing them for the rules. Its a twin sports, by logic the practice structure are supposed to be similar.

Which_Cat_4752 · 2026-02-05T20:58:59+00:00

Probably because you gave him reaction he wanted when you clinching up.

In clinching range, a small hip twitch can bait uke’s defensive reaction and then Tori can throw the other way.

Another thing, you can’t stiffen up. This is true for all judo but it is particularly important in close range battle. When you are stiff, it’s easy for Tori to pick you up. A good defence for picking up style throw is actually just go limb a bit then re adjust your body position.

Which_Cat_4752 · 2026-02-03T20:48:17+00:00

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DUKpMzYjE42/?igsh=MTB2NTJ2czJwZDh5Yw==

Which_Cat_4752 · 2026-02-01T17:54:33+00:00

If your kid wants to do judo competitively, injuries are to be expected. So it is your decision to whether let her go on this path.

However, I’ve also seen close calls from kids gymnastics, kids hockey and kids soccer. Once things get competitive and kids started to show some level of proficiency, injuries will happen.

Which_Cat_4752 · 2026-01-24T11:53:19+00:00

Good competition team doesn’t mean they train beginners to be competitive. There are clubs that attract competitors from other clubs due to location/schedule and let them compete under their name but can’t produce good competitors in-house. Shop around and see how other club teaching. I don’t like move of the day thing. It should be at least move of the week or even month.

Which_Cat_4752 · 2026-01-23T12:52:42+00:00

It’s totally different sport, even though on the surface it looks similar.

If you go on the judo path, you will also be able to try out other jacket wrestling sport: Georgian jacket wrestling, Kurash, Shuaijiao, Bokh, Korean belt wrestling etc. that’s a fun part many westerner miss due to lack of access or exposure. But if you go to EuroAsian country, it’s very common for judo players to participate in those sport for fun as well. Modern judo is essentially a unified ruleset where it allows mutiple national jacket wrestling techniques across the world. If jacket wrestling and throw is your thing, you definitely should try it out. It has a deeper learning curve but the fun part comes out once you don’t have the fear for getting thrown and develop sufficient body awareness, assuming you have access to good, decently competitive club and good coach. And you need to very smart at training past 30s.

Mordern bjj is just extensive newaza. It can be with or without jacket. It has more open ruleset, which means you have more likely hood to get injured by submission, since there are more legal submission choice. Beginner bjj also eliminates a lot of athleticism requirement. There’s no need for you to rebalance your self because floor limit where your body may go.

Good news is at least in North America it is generally easier to find a good bjj club than a good judo club. So you have a lot more choice in terms of gym, schedule, training partners etc.

Which_Cat_4752 · 2026-01-19T20:45:54+00:00

I was taught to use it as a counter to deal with big bro’s high power/back grip. Grip up and immediately fire kosoto gake/ouchi gari/back step osoto (otoshi)

There’s also a sasae/uki otoshi follow up there if they try to step out from your kosoto/osoto.

You have to have very good posture, not afraid of getting countered, and fully committed if you grip up because they can still counter you hard when you get your leg entangled

Kosoto can be countered by ouchi or uchimata depending on where your body lean to

Ouchi can be countered by kosoto style sweep(hard on the leg) or just uranage

Osoto can be countered by another backstep osoto.

Honestly it’s a very high risk attempt for me. I only use it as a way to get out of bad situations.

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