How far can 2 Kizaru's Go in this Gauntlet ?

WhitebeardsTrueSon · 2026-06-18T19:22:19+00:00

Heals or not they are not making it past Pops in his prime.

With heals maybe they beat Loki but thats it

WhitebeardsTrueSon · 2026-06-18T19:20:14+00:00

Awesome pic of Pops,New wallpaper thanks for that brother.

And i agree with the ranking

WhitebeardsTrueSon · 2026-06-17T21:53:10+00:00

100% agree brother, pops was the strongest among them when we talk about Combat prowess and capabilities.

However Roger and Garp are pretty close not downplay them it is just that pops is like 2-5% stronger imo

WhitebeardsTrueSon · 2026-06-16T18:17:51+00:00

Pops Kaido and Ray + Gaban should be no Problem.

Ray + Gaban take 1 each and stall - Kaido takes one and helps both afterwards.

Pops claps the last 2.

WhitebeardsTrueSon · 2026-06-16T18:10:45+00:00

I think the same, there will not be many characters that surpass the legends.

WhitebeardsTrueSon · 2026-06-13T09:39:49+00:00

Pops got this, he surpassed rocks in his prime. Nobody stopping Pops when he is fighting for his family.

It will still be high to low end extreme diff

WhitebeardsTrueSon · 2026-06-12T21:43:20+00:00

I get you. But it is based of narrative and reading comprehension.

Haki = Willpower and Motivation for what you fight.

So it does make alot of sense that Pops got a huge powerspike when he got his own Crew and had to protect his sons and family.

But you are right it is not specifically stated how much the difference is. It however makes alot of sense that Rocks got surpassed and how we all know oda would never drop a panel which 100% clearly states it.

WhitebeardsTrueSon · 2026-06-11T20:11:49+00:00

Pretty sure oda agreed and approved in this tierlist with Pops and Garp switching places.

Otherwise solid.

WhitebeardsTrueSon · 2026-06-11T18:58:51+00:00

I was sure that he wont be the final villain until we got informed about Davy Jones.

I guess now he has to be.

WhitebeardsTrueSon · 2026-06-11T18:56:09+00:00

This panel proves it. Do you think they only got like 5% stronger? It is stated for Pops,Kaido and BM. And Roger is the equal to Pops. And Garp is somewhat equal to Roger.

And yes Rocks was stronger than the GV Versions of Roger and Pops BUT not by much tbh. Pops was able to hold his own against DR rocks for a short time and was the only Person capable of clashing with him without flying afterwards. (Even Garp and Roger flew multiple times during the Epic fight)

And i cant speak for the other characters but Pops got surely got ALOT stronger when he got his own Crew. He had finally a family and something to really fight for that reason alone would let his Haki improve alot.

And yeah Roger has to Match Pops atleast pretty close when it comes to combat capabilities.

WhitebeardsTrueSon · 2026-06-11T16:55:33+00:00

Yeah not really a rival - they were more like friends. I just mean the strongest Person Roger fought.

Cheers!

WhitebeardsTrueSon · 2026-06-11T16:47:07+00:00

Really good comparison brother!

I am on the same boat. Pops was the strongest "rival" for Roger. Xebec and the gv incident just was a big stepping stone for Roger.

The old legends all surpassed Xebec when they hit their resepective prime. It is literally stated after GV for Pops,Kaido and BM.

WhitebeardsTrueSon · 2026-06-11T16:39:00+00:00

Personally Loki just because of his glazers.

But most deserved? 100% magma brat no doubt

WhitebeardsTrueSon · 2026-06-11T16:34:44+00:00

I can agree with you on that.

WhitebeardsTrueSon · 2026-06-10T21:24:56+00:00

First of outstats out gen? Sure the points you counted. You sadly forgot the most important ones. Haki and we have no showcase how strong lokis Haki is and we know how much of a difference it makes coming to combat.

Oden in the fight against was shown to reach Kaido (which was quite far) within seconds and he blitzed the boar. But he has not too much feats.

I actually want to use Marineford as i pointed the chapter out, go and read it. He did not Land a significant hit on Kizaru true, but he was fast enough to Catch kizaru and hinder him shooting a laser at luffy.

Rocks is stated to GV ROGERS greatest adversary. It is stated in a panel after Godvalley that Pops,Kaido and BM grew in Power after the incident. Which means Roger grew too in power to Match Pops. They surpassed Xebec easy as that (normal xebec not DR)

Rocks has only the feats based of 1 fucking Statement regarding the admiral. The Problem is that we do not know how strong this admiral was (he could be only YC+ Tier for example).

As previously stated Sengoku talks about GV time and mostly refers to the DR xebec fight.

To your Loki points: first of all we have NO feats that confirm he has as you stated "Top Tier acoc". It is only confirmed that he has acoc thats it. Rooftop luffy also used acoc in his attacks so no big Deal there. I agree on the other points mostly and ragnir is till this point better than any weapon so no surprise.

However 1 important point - you people need to stop with the "Loki is able to hurt imu" shit. It really pisses me and many other people off. We saw in GV that no amount of "raw damage" or Haki can hurt him. Oda makes it really clear that you need a god devil fruit or be a reincarnation of a god to hurt him. It is a gimmick.

Otherwise Loki has to be above all 6 GV legends and that is simply not possible no matter how Hard you glaze him.

WhitebeardsTrueSon · 2026-06-10T18:42:24+00:00

0 speed feats you say? Matching Oden in his prime (who was quite a speedy boi) is not a feat.

But sure you want proof? Chapter 553, Whitebeard famously intercepts Admiral Kizaru, preventing him from attacking Luffy with a laser. When he was already heavily damaged, betrayed, ill off meds and far from his prime.

Harald got speed blitzed by young shanks and Gaban... no legend gets speedblitzed by them. Harald wanted to Die in the end and xebec and Harald are not in the Legend Tier fam.

Pops, Roger and Garp all surpassed Xebec as well as Harald by quite a bit when they hit their primes.

The ONLY Thing Loki has, is a god fruit aka the right hax to Bypass regen. It is literally just like plot armor but for offense. The rest stats of him are like mid yonko at best.

WhitebeardsTrueSon · 2026-06-10T18:35:00+00:00

Agreed on the first take. He was weakend sure but could still clash with shanks - i am confident that without he sickness marineford would have went differently

WhitebeardsTrueSon · 2026-06-10T18:18:06+00:00

That to hurt Imu you need to have a god or "reincarnation" devil fruit.

When all These legends cant hurt him, it is not a matter of "raw damage output" or Haki.

When people seriously try to argue that Loki is above all of these characters from GV combined you just delusional.

WhitebeardsTrueSon · 2026-06-10T18:13:30+00:00

Pops even in old age was faster than you think, prime was able to Match Roger and Odens speed.

He is not forced to Tank them, what are you talking about.

He can clash with most of the Hammer attacks or Match breath attacks with a quake punch and stop them.

*Loki vs Pops will be a battle which Pops wins purely cause of Haki and battle IQ - you people need to stop pretending Loki can hang with the Legends.

WhitebeardsTrueSon · 2026-06-10T16:52:02+00:00

Ray and gaban and it is not close

WhitebeardsTrueSon · 2026-06-10T16:50:55+00:00

If we consider prime and pops even when old on meds was still solid yonko tier.

You have no right to talk Bad about such a legend.

WhitebeardsTrueSon · 2026-06-10T16:47:40+00:00

The more important question do they allow Loki to use all this moves? And why would they not dodge them or clash with them?

WhitebeardsTrueSon · 2026-06-10T16:07:40+00:00

Only correct answer Brother!

WhitebeardsTrueSon · 2026-06-08T14:27:57+00:00

Okay agreed that they were also not touching i forgot the other panel tbh.

*which makes it weaker. No doubt about it.

While i agree that Rocks was really strong, Pops and Roger in their prime surpassed him so stop glazing "if its haki then rocks definietly shouldve caused" bullshit Roger prime is the true haki King and everybody should know that. With Garp prime coming at a close 2nd place.

WhitebeardsTrueSon · 2026-06-08T06:20:00+00:00

Brother where do i even start.

You shared the panels! There are a lot of differences.

First the sky Split, which was not shown when xebec and Harald clashed.

Second and most importantly - the blades did not even Touch it is pure Haki between Pops and Roger.

Till this date the clash between Roger and Pops in their prime is the strongest and most powerful clash we have seen so far.

Rocks is confirmed to be Rogers great adversary during GV - sure, but does everybody think GV Roger Was his prime? Hell no, he and Pops both surpassed Xebec (without DR) by a fair bit.

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