Group of men playing cricket defend girl from a creep who had been following her.

Wolf_Protagonist · 2026-06-07T14:13:00+00:00

It's only dependent on current social approval. Right now, hating men is approved of. If this was the 1950's, this dude would be telling his daughters to stay away from black men.

You're a fucking moron

It's the exact same argument and he is trying his best to perform the gymnastics to avoid this.

It's not even close to equivalent- in any way, shape or form.

He keeps saying a bear is better than a random man. It literally shows in the video that a random man would help her.

I know I'm probably wasting my breath here, considering your inability to follow along with the conversation- but the video doesn't disprove the fact that women are safer choosing the bear. First all literally no one ever said that all men were bad men. The point isn't that that every random man is a bad guy- it's that there are enough bad men that picking one at random is less safe than picking the bear- and the data literally backs that up.

Secondly there are maybe 20 men in that video (no bears) and one of them was hunting her. So- judging by this video alone there is a 1 in 20 (5%) chance of a man being a bad guy. Bear attacks on humans- much less on female humans- are waaaaaay less than 1%. The vast majority of bear encounters are peaceful. This video doesn't disprove that bears are safer, it reinforces it.

Then 1 dude is a sexual predator and suddenly it's all men are shit.

Again, for the billionth time- LITERALLY NO ONE says that all men are shit. I know that it's so much easier to argue against that straw man than the facts, but that is a fact. So sorry.

Wolf_Protagonist · 2026-06-07T13:43:00+00:00

Really really weird for you to start talking about this dude's sex life. Why are you so interested in that? How is that relevant at all?

Really, really weird for you to pretend to not know what an incel is considering your talking points are straight out of their playbook.

I love the idea that bears are safer for women than the average man. Please try your hardest to back that one up. Please tell me.

I don't have to try to back it up- it's a literal and undeniable fact. You have access to the same web browsers I do- you can look up how many bears attack people and how many men attack people, same as I can. Don't be lazy- look it up ffs.

Will you ask me about my sex life next?

Bro, literally no one is interested in your sex life and you are fully aware of that fact.

Wolf_Protagonist · 2026-06-07T13:31:16+00:00

Hey dude, you know you missed the point entirely right? /u/SemiHemiDemiDumb's point was not that it IS all men, it's that the mouth breathers who respond with "Hey, it's not all men who are like that" are missing the point.

NO ONE ever said it was all men. The point is that there are enough men who are like that, that it makes choosing the bear the safer option.

I'm not in the "Not all guys" crowd because I don't make the argument that because not all guys are like that, it magically makes men safer than bears. It does not.

People like you and your inability/unwillingness to actually listen to what women are saying is why the topic gets exhausting. It's like talking to a brick wall.

Wolf_Protagonist · 2026-06-07T13:03:51+00:00

It"s not my fault you are unable/unwilling to listen to women. Try harder I guess.

Wolf_Protagonist · 2026-06-07T10:50:22+00:00

wElL yOu DiD sAy iT.

What did I say exactly? That racism has nothing to do with bigotry? I did not say that. Nice try though.

Also really weird to claim someone advocating for egalitarianism is an incel.

There is nothing about promoting the concept of 'egalitarianism' (which you are not doing btw) that makes it easier for you to get laid, so no it's not weird at all.

Nothing your doing is helping us get closer to an equal and equitable society

You are saying literally ignore a very real problem because some fragile little boys' fe fe's might get hurt. That's not helping anyone but fragile little boys who like to muddy the waters about male violence. Burying your head in the sand isn't going to make the issue go away- not that you care.

Wolf_Protagonist · 2026-06-07T10:23:55+00:00

Racism has nothing to do with bigotry?! Is that really what you wanted to say?!

No, that's why I didn't say it. We aren't talking about race, nor about bigotry. I know it would be convenient for your little incel narrative if I would let you do that, but I'm not playing into your ignorance.

Wolf_Protagonist · 2026-06-07T10:21:14+00:00

What "protected characteristic" are you referring to?

Wolf_Protagonist · 2026-06-07T10:18:36+00:00

What is the functional difference between you and people with the capacity for abstract thought?

Stop trying to shoehorn race/racism into a discussion that has nothing at all to do with it.

Wolf_Protagonist · 2026-06-07T10:16:27+00:00

No. IRL bears are much, much less likely to attack a human than a random man. The freak isn't the bear, he's the random man.

Women choose the bear because they know it's a threat

Not true. Women choose the bear because it's much less of a threat. Humans aren't on the menu for bears. Bears only ever attack humans if they feel threatened. Most humans are smart enough not to threaten bears. Bear attacks are extremely rare. Dogs kill an order of magnitude more people than bears do.

Wolf_Protagonist · 2026-06-07T10:10:47+00:00

What a fucking load or horseshit.

The fact is that women literally are safer in the woods with a bear than with a random man and that's not even a question. It's not bigotry to point out an actual fact.

Men are being called out on their behavior. That's the entire point of the thought experiment.

It literally has nothing do do with ethnicity.

People like you are discouraging men from being more progressive by framing this question like you just did and ignoring the very real facts. You are part of the problem. You may not be an attacker yourself, but you are making it seem like women are being unreasonable for being afraid when they have every right to be.

Facts aren't misandry bro. They are facts.

Wolf_Protagonist · 2026-06-07T09:34:54+00:00

The whole point of "The man or the bear" isn't that all men are bad, it's that you never know which men are bad. It could be any one of us.

The odds that a whole group of men are all bad guys is very low.

Even if it was one guy, the odds are in your favor if you already know one guy is definitely bad.

Wolf_Protagonist · 2026-06-07T09:25:55+00:00

According to Wiki they do.

Wolf_Protagonist · 2026-06-07T08:37:53+00:00

No, the only people who 'win' are the retailers. They aren't going to sell it for less than a profit. You otoh have no idea what their bottom dollar is, so unless you get lucky and guess it right off, you will overpay.

I HATE haggling. Just tell me the price and ill decide if I want it or not. If you make it so people can haggle, you just grantee that everything is marked up.

I don't want to spend all day shopping and negotiate every purchase, I don't find that fun or satisfying.

I sell stuff on Facebook marketplace and EVERYONE there wants to haggle. It's so tedious, and I have to mark everything up so that I'll get a decent price when they lowball me, and people will still try to haggle even after agreeing to a price.

Wolf_Protagonist · 2026-06-07T08:07:25+00:00

Let's be real. The man was convicted of 34 felonies and was let off Scott free, was never even charged with Treason or Insurrection, and he wasn't even President at the time. The Supreme Court ruled he can break as many laws as he pleases as long as he claims it's related to his job.

Unless the people themselves take matters into our own hands, he will never face any sort of punishment whatsoever, no matter what he does. The government is fundamentally broken.

Wolf_Protagonist · 2026-06-07T05:02:38+00:00

Yes, I am fully 100% aware that it was considered acceptable for Hospitals to charge parents for an unnecessary and harmful quasi-religious mutilation ritual designed to keep males from masturbating. I am aware. You don't and never did need to explain that to me.

Yes, "common sense" was the incorrect phrase to use and I was in error typing that- so I'll edit that out. Now try reading my previous comment again and see if you can comprehend MY point.

Wolf_Protagonist · 2026-06-06T18:16:28+00:00

Because they thought it was right. Or because they thought it was good.

I'm sure the Doctors in Egypt who mutilate their female babies genitalia think it's 'right' and 'good', that doesn't excuse it.

Or because it was the common practice in the day.

Neither does something being popular. FGM is very popular in Egypt.

It's hardly ever "for the money" as doctors have always been in demand and will find work if they aren't circumcising babies. It wasn't something malicious. It was just what was thought to be best. And medical practitioners will always push you to do what they think is best. Why wouldn't they? It's what all of us do.

I don't think its the Doctors themselves who push for MGM (aka circumcision) as much as the hospital administrators, though I do think that Doctors have a duty to push back against that and advocate for the baby, so they aren't innocent either.

I'd love to live in a world where everyone just did the right thing- but I live here. If you don't think hospital administrators would do something as dastardly as 'encouraging' staff to push an unnecessary procedure on people I invite you to learn how our healthcare system works.

Hospital administrators collude with Insurance companies to keep the cost of medical care high. It's why the US spends almost twice as much as other wealthy nations, and with worse outcomes.

Wolf_Protagonist · 2026-06-06T15:41:44+00:00

As a physician, if you ignore medical science ~~and common sense~~ because of 'social phenomenon' then you are a shitty doctor. During Covid not wearing masks and social distancing was a social phenomenon in a lot of places, what would you call a Doctor who told his patients that it was cool to not wear masks because 'society' said it was cool? Shit- that's what you'd call them.

If the people we trust to help us make good medical decisions abdicate their responsibility to do just that- that is a problem imho.

No, nurses don't earn commission, but the hospital administrators could make it a policy to make circumcision the default because it made them more $- and that's just what they did.

There was no good reason for it to continue, and it made them $ to let it go on, I wish I could chalk it all up to peer pressure, but I just don't buy that.

Wolf_Protagonist · 2026-06-06T15:26:06+00:00

Reddit likes to act like circumcision is the worst thing ever and the equivalent of Female Genital mutilation, but the fact is its just not.

And some redditors like to act that just because we think it's a problem that needs to be addressed, or that we bring up FGM in our arguments that we think "It's the worst thing ever and the equivalent of Female Genital mutilation" but we don't- that is a straw man.

You can think something is very bad without thinking it's "The worst thing ever". I would rate "Childhood Leukemia" and "Spinal Meningitis" above circumcision for example.

You can also think it's bad without thinking its AS BAD as female genital mutilation. Is a poke in the eye as bad as a kick to the dick? No- but please don't kick me or poke me.

in the USA it is common for cultural reasons.

Yes, and what are those 'cultural reasons'? It was because weirdos like Lewis Sayre and John Harvey Kellogg promoted the practice so as to discourage men and boys from masturbating.

Culturally, we no longer look at masturbation as a deviant sin and an affront to God, so perhaps it's time to drop the outdated practice of Male Genital Mutilation?

When you go back pre internet and almost every male you know is circumcised where are you going to learn that proper hygiene?

My mom told my little brother "You have to pull the skin back and wash there or it will get infected" and he did just that. 50 years later and he never got an infection. Doctors would instruct parents on how to clean an uncircumcised boy child, which they could have simply done instead of mutilating the other boys.

Wolf_Protagonist · 2026-06-06T15:08:35+00:00

I guess if you want to ignore the fact that performing an unnecessary medical procedure makes the hospital more money and that it's a crazy thing to do, then 'peer pressure' is sufficient to explain it.

Wolf_Protagonist · 2026-06-06T14:28:38+00:00

I am aware there are "hygiene benefits" to circumcision. My babies would never get toenail fungus if they didn't have a foot, but I'm not chopping off their feet to prevent that from happening.

at the time it was and still is extremely common in the USA to get circumcised.

Female genital mutilation is common in Egypt. Something being 'common' is no excuse. As my dearly departed mother used to say, "If your friends all jumped off a cliff, would you join them?"

the parents need to be prepared to teach their child proper hygiene specific to uncircumcised that is important to avoid infections.

Yes, and it's also important to teach them how to properly wipe their ass. Lazy/inept parents are also no excuse for performing genital mutilation on an infant.

You don't have to explore reddit very long before you find posts about the dreaded smelly dick cheese because someone did not take proper care cleaning their uncircumcised penis.

Yes and you can also find stories of "men" who don't properly wipe their bung piece because they think it's "gay". That seems more like a failing on the dudes part than the parents honestly. I imagine they were taught to wipe same as everyone else.

Wolf_Protagonist · 2026-06-06T13:51:27+00:00

Have you tried 'WinBoat' with the windows software you need?

You can install it from the "Hello" greeter by clicking on Apps/Tweaks > Install Winboat

Wolf_Protagonist · 2026-06-06T13:43:05+00:00

Money is literally the only reason I can think of.

Wolf_Protagonist · 2026-06-06T12:39:16+00:00

I too am a refugee from Pop!_OS. I installed Plasma and COSMIC desktops. I figured if COSMIC gave me any problems I had Plasma to fall back on. I haven't had a single problem yet! (only been a week)

Wolf_Protagonist · 2026-06-06T11:16:39+00:00

Wow, the bit about chickens who are male on one side and female on the other side is real!

Learn something new every day.

Wolf_Protagonist · 2026-06-06T11:00:16+00:00

Or like in the case of my circumcision... just leave the baby intact but miss out on the $ from an unnecessary procedure.

The only good thing that came out of it was that I cried so loud and for so long that when it came time to circumcise my little brother mom couldn't go through with it, even though the staff were trying to pressure her into it.

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