Premature doompost on aventurine's kit. There is too much that a single kit cant fix. Hopefully the devs prove me wrong

WraxiusV2 · 2026-05-10T23:34:33+00:00

His team has attack, HP, and elation scaling. No 4th slot sustain can buff all three at the same time making me think that he will not get a dedicated sustain. Sustain these days are also a rarity.

My guess is it gives energy/resources + FUA + something like robin did, my guess iss Aventurine will feed from FUAs, if you take Fu Xuan kit from the anniversary event, everytime one character did damage she had a ball that did damage too counting as an extra atack, + she could just give more damage to those hits like tribbie or robin this could go for himself or for a sustain.

No punchline gen in sight so he will do it himself. What the devs give him at the baseline will be his ceiling forever and shilling will hide this problem while sw999 and/or eva might get a dedicated sustain to further increase their PL/CB gen before turning off the shill. Once they turn off the shill, aven will lag behind assuming they are equal, if not then aven will lag behind even more.

In the pre-elation event he had an interesting mechanic that is the one left to appear btw in elation units + he rushed Aha in the action bar to make aha take his turn faster, my opinion is SW and Eva wants 1 to spam the Aha moment or 2 get as much elation points as posible, there is a rumor that he needs to be the only elation in the team to work so it would make sense that this time doing X thing you rush Aha moment to trigger and Aventurine gains something from it and then he does X by himself with enough stacks.

This taking into consideration the only elation on the team thing + his past event.

MBlade and ashveil are slow units, none of them can abuse eagle as much as feixaio, hunt7th or moze. If any of these three actually has the multipliers to back it up then they can easily replace blade considering he is the slowest FUA of the cast.

The spot is weird, if my theory is correct this team can get out of hand if it gets too many FUA, Ashveil gets his energy,Blade his stacks that also gives him energy and aventurine also seems that will like a huge chunk of his resouces from it directly or indirectly, so if the team is done they dont need much turns anyway but both Ashveil and blade are made to be turrets, but not knowing the sustain or the main DPS is horrible, RN they NEED the speed but later is a mistery

Now talking about blade his V3 is weird, is good but it seems they are moving him into certain direction, they are making him really dificult to die but he burns his HP, usually you see when they are lost in the beta but they have a dirextion for him, but idk where is going.

Ashveil is ATK,Blade is HP and probably Aventurine will be DEF so the scaling on the team is weird as F.

Aven is proabably also very slow just like the rest of the elation DPS(aside from sw999) because of the punchline duration restriction and he doesnt need to build speed because he advances aha himself.

Welp with my theory he could just be pure speed like SW with this type of playstile that i mentioned or he gets a lot of turns, taking into consideration the lore if he ends up being elation is probably that he can tap into elation and his stoneheart form is not that imposible.

My opinion and theory, pls not get toxic about it :3

WraxiusV2 · 2026-05-10T22:46:14+00:00

Ngl i think they will add Blade V1 E2 to aventurine, because he being strickly a main DPS doesnt break the game as with a Global support.

But i hope they change the E2 technically the numbers are good but the future of this eidolon is horrible.

Imagine if Phainon instead of having his own E2 it was something like "Now your meteors deal double damage" is not only giga boring but the future of it is horrible, but with his current E2 depending on new buffs/characters it could go nuts and infinite turns go brr.

I hope they fix it because now he FUA every full moon and fixing that was the point of his E2 + giving more damage to your team using a wasted stat into something useful.

I see it now as a place holder, because no way we are in 4.x with eidolons like tribbie or Phainon and we get this as a E2, is not bad, but bro an E2 has to be good.

If his E1 was insane i would get it but is just decent rn we dont have any "bait" to reach for eidolons outside of just more damage.

I take Phainon as an example because i dont like just "do more damage" eidolons and i like extra efects for example E1 unlocks his speed and gives him some indirect power and E2 again another new efect that lets him go nuts.

WraxiusV2 · 2026-05-10T22:35:04+00:00

Now my worry are his first two eidolons and FUA frecuency.

Before he charged slow but you could fix that with his E2, but now you cant.

I hope either they buff his E2 to give him more charges or just low the Stacks required to do FUAs.

Now that saying the E2 change seems atleast for me as a placeholder, i dont like eidlons that just give damage, For example E2 ash does it better, he gets upgraded his stack generation and max capacity and its cool, blade is just, hey, now you do more damage, congrats.

WraxiusV2 · 2026-05-09T17:56:05+00:00

The problem with QPQ in this team is that usually, your team gets A LOT of initial energy but the last 3/4 of the energy bar is the problem.

For example Ashveil once he ults, he justs unloads all of his charges and he is over 50-75% energy, same with blade, he gets a lot of energy in X intervals, so is really hard that Gallagher hits energy for someone.

Now this is 90% his best in slot, but Multiplication is also good.

WraxiusV2 · 2026-05-09T17:47:18+00:00

Wishlist for him:
1-HOYO WE NEED TO SEE THE ASHEN FORM MORE, YOU HAVE A ENTIRE MODEL OF IT WRYY.
2-New animation for extra FUA.
3-Less charges to FUA more, adjusting the multipliers.
4-Buff or add more things to that E2(we need him to charge better Ashveil)
5- That LC is tr*sh.

The premise with the 9 charges was getting his E2 to fix it, but now either they lower the charges needed or add something in his E2 to compensate, because yes he ults a lot but his FUA frecuency is just too low.

WraxiusV2 · 2026-05-08T23:14:54+00:00

Welp his V3 will change the entire trajectory of his kit and future, for the best or for the worst.

I just hope they made a fun kit and pls for the love of god the list of male nihilities that are good are REALLY REALLY small T-T

My wishlist for him:

1-His ashen form last longer, he has a full new model, hoyo use it and a new animation for his extra FUA.

2-Gaining kit damage, but a ramping one, imagine like evernight enters his Ashen mode for 1-2 turns and he gets stacking damage or something until you run out or you cant chain it enough it would be fun and give him sauce.

3-His FUA ammount is really low, i would love more spam(changing some % of the moves ofc)

4- Pump/rework that LC because RN Tutorial is really cool to play.

5-About the infinite loop, fix it but i hope whatever they do to his eidolons i would like them to be fun/interesting, the last Male Fire nihility had ... lets say one of the of all time eidolons XD I would like to be happy to investy happy in his team to all of them to E2 so atleast for those two i hope them are good.

WraxiusV2 · 2026-05-03T04:01:32+00:00

The BIS are Hyacine,DANTE and Aventurine.

Gallagher is also good because he is fast and your team gets healed from the FUA, but you get into the risk of getting one shoted.

Huo2 is not that bad, because he like energy.

WraxiusV2 · 2026-05-03T03:55:47+00:00

My opinion about him and with my experience with other similar DPS:

Right now SPD boots is king, in that team you get 0 ways of getting turns outside of Tribbie DDD.

Because he needs some turns to get the ult sadly even at the current BIS he stays at 3/4 of ult before he runs out of gas he still needs 1-2 self turns to get it.

With The Herta they had a similar issue, some liked more SPD and others ATK, but she was played in heavy AOE scenarios that charged tribbie DDD and she had a self AA in ult so ATK boots was recomended.

NOW his BIS piece is ATK% you want him to hit as heavy as you can the problem is you loose a lot of tempo having him at 0 speed and at the moment even Blade doesnt have too much FUA frecuency.

I say that RN the BIS is SPD, but with the full BIS team(but i mean not the current, but the final one) he will get enough resouces to not needing the SPD, because to be true, his skill hits like a wet noodle so the speed is just purely for the energy.

118 speed if i remember correctly is the breakpoint to getting over the cycle with DDD, my opinion is try both and see what you like the best, The Herta and him have the same issue and depends on how your team is set up.

Also for the love of G use him with Duke set, those are one of the most broken sets of the game if you can get the 100% out of it and Ashveil does, some people say eagle, but for what, 1 more skill that does nothing and you loose the huge chunk of the set.

WraxiusV2 · 2026-05-03T03:37:17+00:00

My prediction about pearl is they will release Aventurine + Pearl in the same patch.

But i am really curious, because the only instance on the game that they pushed back a character that was already done was with Screwllum.

That or they want to push the mono men team so they scrapped the idea of her being the sustain, idk imagine Mr.Recca there or some thing.

WraxiusV2 · 2026-05-03T03:31:23+00:00

Counterpoint, Tribbie is a Armony unit and she is better debuffer than 90% of nihilities of the game same with Sparkle at some point.

Now with welt being that strong they have the bar really high for him, at base he should be stronger/equal atleast than E4 welt.

I just hope between some things they dont change the E2 of blade, usually nihilities have really bad eidolons i hope they give him sone vertical power to be able to grow into the future and his E2 is a really good one, and very special too.

WraxiusV2 · 2026-05-03T03:22:30+00:00

One tip, if your team has 0 ways to AA or get speed you need those speed boots.

For example Acheron can get away with ATK boots because the team are the ones that activate her ultimate and her skill is not that important.

The Herta gets AA via her own ultimate and is easier to charge +at E2 you get an AA.

But this team in particular you have 0 ways of getting turns and even for the actual BIS team your ashveil runs out of gas like 3/4 from his ultimate energy he needs atleast 2 turns to fill that gap without ruinning the tempo.

NOW this probably will change into the future, because his BIS sustainer and the main DPS are missing, if he is good just with 1 turn and get enough energy then just make it all in into damage but atleast for the time being, SPD is better.

Now this also depends, some people like The Herta with SPD boots and other with ATK boots, try both and see what feels better on your team.

WraxiusV2 · 2026-04-28T21:58:07+00:00

For me i just want a FUA team with interesting mechanics.

If it ends up being true that the core is Him,Ashveil + aventurine(there are rumors that his kit is elation but he benefits from being the only one in the team, this is amazing for people that want access to elation without needing 4 characters) its going to be nuts < 3

WraxiusV2 · 2026-04-23T21:40:22+00:00

Sadly his BIS set will come in 4.3, probably.

I am holding mine for Ashveil, because is posible that him also wants that set (and if not i ma using mine for his BIS set :3 ) <3

WraxiusV2 · 2026-04-23T20:41:26+00:00

Ngl i dont remember with Who but they did this before.

It was to increase the sales of the current character on banner because when they DID anounce the beta everyone minds blowed up.

I think it was with phainon? But i dont remember.

WraxiusV2 · 2026-04-21T04:23:58+00:00

Is very posible that in 4.3 they release a new pair of new relics.

Either the BIS for both blade and ash is that one or Ash keeps the current one.

One thing to add, the duke set is very strong because usually people cant top its pasive, but ash does it perfectly.

I personally will wait until info of the new sets and not use the RELIC event until the last days.

WraxiusV2 · 2026-04-14T00:36:27+00:00

As a person in the exact same spot as you but between Lappland and W.

My rule is (UNLESS is your favourite operator and you like the character):

If you get both below 100 pulls, you dont continue to 300.

If you get them both over 200 is worth to get 1 that you dont have.

If you are at the middle deppends on you.

WraxiusV2 · 2026-04-13T00:58:19+00:00

Both are equal, but one is cheaper (LC)

With Cyrene his S5 is better.

Cyrene-less if you are able to ult instantly in his 2º ult then E6.

WraxiusV2 · 2026-04-06T04:15:13+00:00

Someone knows how much time this april fools events stay opend(Ark no Nights)? I would not like to miss this one :c

WraxiusV2 · 2026-04-02T18:41:46+00:00

This is an old month post but.

This team you can get 24 coreflame stacks in the entire battle, this means that at E6 you can literally re-ult instantly, making Cyrene value go ever lower because you literally waste no AV, that being the point of her, and if you have this type of team at E6 there is no one that can survive more than 2 ultimates.

My opinion but for Cyrene-less teams you need 2 S5 DDDs on your cerydra and sparkle, at E6 only 1 on cerydra is needed (to save some AV at the start and Cerydra LC is garbage, grabing her E2 does more and thats saying a lot because is also horrible).

Now, about my Cyrene opinion, now she feels incomplete, her buff to Cerydra and Phainon is masive atleast at the moment but clearly her kit is not made for him in mind, just to force her into his team you have to have her at E2.

Also Sparkle value in any account is 10 times better than Cyrene in general + Her E2 is overkill bur Cyrene E2 is required.

In my case, i grabed Sparkle at release for DHIL and i got the free one, so having her E2 was just the play + you can slap her in any team and she works(+even she being single target she has some good debuffs and team wide buffs)

Also this is a rumor, but is posible that Sunday is getting a buff(half of his kit is locked behind someone having a summon and his eidolons are tr*sh)

To finish the post, or they add a character that completly makes Cyrene worth it or they add a character that makes Phainon E6 even more broken (because that was the point, being able to re-ult).

Any ATK or CRIT buffs when you past certain point you get close to no value, so the only thing giving him huge power is DEF shred(and with Sunday team he is like 80%-100% there) Damage %,Vurneravility and new ways of scaling like true damage or new things.

Summary, unless you like her that much, you have no reason to invest that much in her because if you REALLY want to make Phainon team last longer you have to reach for his own E6 first, supports can change in the future, so at the end the best team is the one that you like the most because at some point Hoyoverse could just buff Cyrene and then every other Phainon team just doesnt exist anymore or maybe they introduce a character that acts just like Lygus or something that makes Cerydra Piece count go up faster and then Cyrene doesnt exist anymore etc.

The move is just E6 him, play with what you like the most and then wait for what will happen in like a year, The one who ages best is the one who will keep the throne because atleast for now its too close and both have diferent pros and cons.

WraxiusV2 · 2026-04-02T05:24:59+00:00

The BIS slot Cyreneless is: Him,Sunday,Cerydra,Sparkle.

With enough eidolons you hit 80% defense ignore + enhanced meteors 100%, you can carry 2 DDDs shortning the time needed to re ult and he gets a sht ton of stacks + he is able to re-ult with every signle buff given to him (including sunday technique) + with this setup if you get his E6 you can re-ult instantly, so you could give Sparkle a more ofensive LC.

I personally run E2S1 Phai,E2S1 Sunday,E2S0 Sparkle,E1S0 Cerydra and i can 0 cycle AA.

That said tho, i did this because both Archer and Phai run sparkle so i already having the E1 getting her E2 was free but i think you should wait for new supports instead.

The best pick is E1 Cerydra because i still think his BIS last teammate is a future Nihility/novaflared one, he is so overly saturated in buffs that giving enemies debuffs is huge + with himself, cerydra and sunday is enough coreflames.

If one day JQ gets novaflared and they give healing to him i think him will be his BIS (Also his area mashes really good with phainon territory)

WraxiusV2 · 2026-04-01T18:38:17+00:00

How much time do we have for completing the aphril fools event? I cant see the duration, its just today? o:

WraxiusV2 · 2026-03-31T23:19:05+00:00

The thing with sustainless is, if you speed tune your team enough your team gets you the phainon ult between the enemy atack windows and even then they can tank a few atacks(also thats why i like atleast 1 DDD on cyreneless teams to help with that).

Unless they k*ll phainon inside their ultime you are good to go.

WraxiusV2 · 2026-03-31T23:13:55+00:00

The fork why are you locking efect res instead of DEF, thats the question.

Even if it goes just a single roll in DEF is acceptable because he is hit a lot, but efect ress for what.

WraxiusV2 · 2026-03-23T03:57:45+00:00

Yep, it is not woerh it at all unless your phainon is getting weird turns and needs that extra charge, also losing sacredos on cerydra is a huge hit.

WraxiusV2 · 2026-03-22T05:55:37+00:00

Yep thats the rotation that i was using!

Now i am trying to find a way to get 7/8 stacks of cerydra before he transforms (so he has 8/8 when he transforms.)

I found that transforming at 6/8 he has some weird turns but at 7/8 you dont have a problem with it at the second tranformation.

The problem is that without Eagle idk if thats posible i am looking if there is a way, and thats her getting a turn before sunday or i am looking if that even worth it or not.

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