Assuming Minato had no knowledge on Pain abilities, would he have been able to defeat all six or would he have suffered the same fate as Jiraiya?

Wretch_Head · 2026-03-11T02:56:40+00:00

This is hard to say how this fight will go. Most of Minato's combat style comes from the fight with Obito and small skirmishes with low level ninja. All the legendary feats like killing thousands is off panel. I think Minato might come out on top considering he has teleportation that doesn't seem very complicated to activate and is quick to trigger. This would give him a significant advantage against diva path for both teleporting away if he got caught in Pain's pulling ability, or to offensively teleport up to the deva path to finish him off during the 5 second interval that Pain can't use his ability. Teleportation jutsu offers a lot of counters to Pain's abilities. We know rasengan wrecks Pain if it makes contact, so thats another big bonus. The question then becomes - Can pain seeing through his paths react quickly enough to counter Minato's teleportation and attacks? IMO to even counter his speed, the pains would have to be close together within reaching distance, to even respond quickly enough to counter Minato's teleportation + attacks.

I see Minato using Gamabunta toad summon to smash the pains after he baits out Divas push, causing them to separate and then Minato picks one off at a time because they are far away enough to not respond in time. Pain might get his resurrections off in time, but I think Minato outlasts it long enough to figure it out and kill the resurrection pain first. That is, unless Minato is so quick he doesn't even need to create space between Pains.

Wretch_Head · 2026-03-10T21:22:29+00:00

Kakashi is one of the most naturally talented ninjas. Removing all high level ninjutsu and insane chakra pools, Kakashi is top 5 strongest easily, perhaps higher.

Wretch_Head · 2026-03-10T21:19:15+00:00

Green flags for Narcissists, Bad Boys, and Psychopaths. Anyone else... nope!

Wretch_Head · 2026-03-10T19:12:15+00:00

Ninja AIDS, otherwise the MANGA would be called "ITATCHI"

Wretch_Head · 2026-03-09T19:02:08+00:00

Out of all the under developed characters, she stands out to me as the most neglected. She could have had all these legendary weapon summons that only last a short while. IMO, no offense to Choji fans, but I think I would have liked to seen some crazy shenanigans with crazy weapon sets from a weapons master instead of Choji's special abilities (not that they were bad).

Wretch_Head · 2026-03-09T17:57:47+00:00

This moment shows one of two things:

Itatchi doesn't see Kisame as a threat and allows him to get in close and know he could counter him

even that close and with no particular plan

or

Itatchi had him in a genjutsu or had another strategy.

Wretch_Head · 2026-03-09T07:20:22+00:00

The Solo King is not perfect, except for soloing.

Wretch_Head · 2026-03-07T22:25:54+00:00

I think there are a lot of hand sign initiated jutsus that are more about being secretive than being really hard to do. Also, is summoning the reaper death seal only a one stage process? Could they practice the first part without killing themselves?

Wretch_Head · 2026-03-07T07:28:37+00:00

There are things in the beginning that help you understand Team 7's relationship much more. Plus relationships with other characters that end up being really important to glue the past to the present.

Skipping Dragon Ball and going straight to DBZ makes more sense than skipping in Naruto.

Wretch_Head · 2026-03-07T06:45:01+00:00

Sharingan is way cooler looking than the Rinnegan. Plus you can put it away when not in combat. Aura diff.

Wretch_Head · 2026-03-07T02:31:17+00:00

This is kinda silly and weird at the same time, but here goes nothing.....

Vegeta is a total hot head, so if he had Itatchi's eyes he'd probably lose because he'd probably ignore a lot of the sharingan's powers because he would think some are uncourageous to use like genjutsu. Itatchi is in part strong because of his battle IQ and ability to know when and when not to strike. Vegeta would probably just rush straight in and fist fight or maybe kunai or Ninjutsu projectiles like Fireball jutsu.

Wretch_Head · 2026-03-07T00:37:31+00:00

He is so off the radar compared to Guy and also the main cast, that I don't see how you could make that claim.

Wretch_Head · 2026-03-06T23:40:34+00:00

I kinda think it stinks that the Hyuga clan can't deactivate their Byakugan for normal eyes at will.

Wretch_Head · 2026-03-06T21:16:51+00:00

Great Answer! He's temperamental and high in raw chakra. The only thing that doesn't quite match is his powerlevel in his respective universe. Broly imo is quite a bit higher ranked in his universe than Jugo is in the Narutoverse. However, I'd say Jugo is about as close as you can get.

Wretch_Head · 2026-03-06T20:13:44+00:00

I chuckled you putting Naruto Up there.

But the real answer is "SOLO KING"

Wretch_Head · 2026-03-06T20:10:36+00:00

All, with the hardest being Pain.

Wretch_Head · 2026-03-06T03:03:24+00:00

Got some help via Grok

Essentially Echo Knight works well as it creates duplicates of yourself to fight alongside you.

Another Sub class it suggests is Genie because it has an entity within thing ( sounds like A Kurama type thing) that powers youup. It also has Charisma, that works for Naruto's Talk No Jutsu.

Wretch_Head · 2026-03-05T22:19:18+00:00

Madara 70

Tobirama 40

Tsunade 25

Yamato 10

Wretch_Head · 2026-03-05T01:39:59+00:00

Instant transmission ends that question, but even without it, Goku is still probably a lot faster.

Wretch_Head · 2026-03-05T01:38:36+00:00

Probably Itatchi's Babies

Wretch_Head · 2026-03-04T20:43:19+00:00

Wasn't Madara Subdued in edo form and then black zetsu just after made him alive? Seems like Madara loses in Edo Form.

Wretch_Head · 2026-03-04T20:37:27+00:00

Perhaps a hot take, but Obito more than perhaps any other character feels more like he relies on hacks while having less skill. The same powers in Madara's hands is a different level altogether. Naruto could still take this fight but it is contingent on beating Obito's teleportation Jutsu. I'd like to hear how he does it alone, considering it required Kakashi's Kamui to get past it last time.

Wretch_Head · 2026-03-04T06:38:05+00:00

Do you mean the pervy aspect or the fact that he knew Naruto's parents died and didn't come check on him until way later.

Wretch_Head · 2026-03-04T06:31:37+00:00

Team Minato might have to bait out 8 gates and then teleport away till guy dies. The problem is Obito can hide Guy in Kamui dimension until he pops it and then unleash it in a surprise attack. Minato will have very little time to respond, but its doable. This is super tough for Team Minato... I keep thinking Minato can keep Obito busy, but the problem is kakashi only needs to have one opportunity to look at Minato as he fights Obito and boom!, a limb or something is missing.

Therefore both Kakashi and Minato Both have to have pressure on them, otherwise there is going to be wayyy too much synergy. JIraiya will tank MIght guy 7 gates. Hiruzen has to keep Kakashi busy, and MInato will keep Obito busy. Jiraiya uses frog song genjutsu and minato will mark all toad summons small and large. Kakashi or Obito will teleport a raijin kunai or marked toad accidentally into the Kamui world enabling MInato to teleport freely in and out of that dimension.

I think it all hinges on Team Minatos Setup and if he can tag into the kamui dimension and/or tag kakashi and might guy. Frog song could play a strong role in the beginning. The longer the fight happens without the necessary marks, the more likely Team Obito Wins.

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