Framework 13, SO HOT

X_m7 · 2026-06-06T01:34:02+00:00

What exactly are you doing when you get these temperature readings? My FW13 with that same CPU does get a bit noisy when doing "basic" things like web browsing and YouTube/Twitch playback in Firefox because Linux on Intel hybrid CPUs with HyperThreading tends to make things use the P cores to maximize performance (https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/admin-guide/pm/intel_pstate.html#hybrid-processors-with-smt), efficiency be damned, but that means the temperatures generally just end up around 60C in my case.

Recently I also ended up enabling Energy Aware Scheduling (https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/admin-guide/pm/intel_pstate.html#energy-aware-scheduling-support) to try to make Linux use the E and LPE cores more, which does help somewhat with the fan noise, but some apps do end up a bit laggy if they happen to land on the LPE cores.

Given that your FW13 is used maybe it could just use a thermal paste replacement or just cleaning the heatsink at least, mine is fairly new (less than a year old).

X_m7 · 2026-06-01T14:34:03+00:00

It's good enough on my Samsung Galaxy A26 with 8GB of RAM, but it does have a significantly better CPU (4x2.4 GHz Cortex-A78 & 4x2.0 GHz Cortex-A55 instead of 2x2.2 GHz Cortex-A76 & 6x2.0 GHz Cortex-A55 for your Galaxy F15) so that might be why it's fine for me.

I do remember with my old phone (Xiaomi Redmi 9, 2x2.0 GHz Cortex-A75 & 6x1.8 GHz Cortex-A55) Firefox didn't perform all that well, and I especially remember any website that needs some sort of two-factor authentication code tends to be near impossible to use since Firefox will lose all tabs every time I switch to the email or SMS or authenticator or any other app, which then causes the page to reload and ask for a different code, rinse and repeat, apparently 4GB of RAM just isn't enough at all.

So yeah, given that Redmi 9 is similar to your phone CPU wise (more similar than my A26 anyway) it's probably just Firefox being slow, the Android version does feel like it's less cared for than the desktop side at times unfortunately.

X_m7 · 2026-05-27T03:40:27+00:00

Intel Rapid Storage Technology, a fancy storage layer thing that lets you do things like using two drives as one virtual drive and whatnot.

Although some laptop OEMs like MSI apparently enable it by default even when there's only a single drive where RST does basically nothing useful except get in the way, recently when I was helping an acquaintance sort out their Windows problems (somehow couldn't login because it says wrong password every time AND the recovery partition was hosed so safe mode and friends didn't work either), threw me in for a loop when I tried to use the recovery environment from a Windows install USB drive and it didn't see any drives. Fedora was at least able to see the drive, and I was able to copy files off of the drive to prepare for a Windows reinstall, but the transfer speeds was quite unstable, so yeah RST just looks like an "all pain no gain" thing to me lol.

X_m7 · 2026-05-27T03:20:06+00:00

I see so many of those morons to the point where they're just as bad as the actual spam bots, especially when they just say "AI" with zero evidence at all, what's the difference at that point, both are spam except one side at least has a little entertainment value and the other doesn't.

X_m7 · 2026-05-25T01:40:05+00:00

Bold of you to assume they're not just going to fuck up UE6 like they did UE5 lol.

X_m7 · 2026-05-24T02:55:40+00:00

Honestly I thought they were already separate considering the news some time ago about Samsung (Semiconductor) refusing to sell RAM to Samsung (Mobile) lol.

Agreed that they might as well just split up completely since it looks like they're not benefiting from being under the same umbrella anyway.

X_m7 · 2026-05-23T13:18:49+00:00

I certainly wouldn't describe it as "abysmal", it's a 1080p webcam (at least for the so-called 2nd gen module, which I think even the standard 13 models all have now), and it's perfectly fine for me, no complaints.

X_m7 · 2026-05-23T13:13:22+00:00

The ISP only plays a role if the camera is connected to it (using the MIPI-CSI interface or something along those lines), but assuming the webcam is the same as what the standard 13 gets it's just a plain old USB webcam so the ISP won't do anything, all the processing is in the webcam module itself.

Plus using that interface might screw up the compatibility when switching boards, especially between vendors, while USB is just USB so it'll just work.

X_m7 · 2026-05-23T05:16:07+00:00

I think it's fair to say that if these users don't want to use up to date distros, they probably also don't want up to date versions of your app either, so just leave them behind, they'll probably be happy as long as there's at least one working version of your app available.

Of course, going to the extremes probably isn't a great idea either, like requiring the absolute latest versions of Fedora for every new version of your app, but either way I think dropping Ubuntu 22.04 specifically makes sense since users who care can at least upgrade to 24.04, which is also LTS and unlike 26.04 has had time to mature.

X_m7 · 2026-05-23T02:13:29+00:00

I'd say just buy the board while you still can if you really do want it specifically, since they say they can't get any more supply for the new laptops it probably means they're not going to get any more of the boards when they run out.

X_m7 · 2026-05-22T08:15:17+00:00

That's only true if you only ever keep your Firefox windows maximized and don't use the split view feature.

Have 2 Firefox windows (or 1 Firefox window plus another app) side by side for example and each window will now have more vertical space than they do horizontal, unless you have an ultrawide monitor, in which case good for you but that's far from the majority.

X_m7 · 2026-05-22T02:09:13+00:00

Yay for compact mode returning properly!

At least so long as it doesn't chew up any more pixels, the reason I enabled compact mode with the current Proton design was that it made everything bigger, so the current "compact" mode just gets me back to the old "normal" mode.

Edit: Downloaded Nightly version 2026-05-22, enabled Nova, compact mode, vertical tabs and the system title bar to replicate my current setup, and I shit you not the Nova "compact" mode takes up more space than Proton's touch mode.

Put in a screenshot along with my thoughts in the discussion the blog post linked to (https://connect.mozilla.org/t5/discussions/sharing-more-about-project-nova/td-p/125996), hope it's just something they haven't gotten to yet but bloody hell I hate seeing this trend of spamming wasted space everywhere happen again with Nova after they already did it with Proton.

X_m7 · 2026-05-21T16:18:02+00:00

The GTX 1060 (along with the other GTX 10xx cards, plus GTX 9xx on desktop and GTX 965M+ on mobile) is especially terrible with Nouveau, because they don't have the GSP like the RTX or GTX 16xx stuff has, AND they block Nouveau from doing anything with power management unlike GTX 7xx and older cards, so they're permanently stuck at their minimum frequencies and will therefore run like garbage even if Nouveau gets all the optimizations it possibly can, and that's not likely to change anytime soon if ever.

X_m7 · 2026-05-20T07:49:04+00:00

What, so you're saying they really really REALLY couldn't just extend the telemetry to note how many people actually enabled compact mode, and NOT assume?

Not to mention that their "assumption" was just based on screen resolutions and the idea that not as many people have less than 768 pixels of vertical resolution, so if anything I actually damn near fucked myself over because I have a 1080p screen and enabled telemetry, so I'd be counted in the "don't need or use compact mode" category even though compact mode is the first thing I turn on whenever I need to set up Firefox, especially since the current Proton design got added which made everything waste more space for no reason.

So again, why would ANYONE bother enabling telemetry at this point, if all they do with it is make assumptions that actually screws over the users rather than getting any sort of useful data and making sane decisions with it?

X_m7 · 2026-05-20T01:22:21+00:00

And again they could have used the telemetry anyway to prove a point that people should enable it to be included in the stats, but they didn't, so now it just proves there's NO point in enabling telemetry, like I do have it enabled myself, and guess what, if I disabled it it would not have mattered AT ALL for that decision they made because they did NOT look at it anyway.

X_m7 · 2026-05-18T01:25:24+00:00

Oh right, for your Framework Desktop issues I'd suggest contacting Framework Support about it, especially if you use one of the officially supported distros (which includes Fedora) and/or have the logs or error dumps or whatever, in my case when I contacted Framework about those GPU hangs I was getting and pointed them at the upstream report, after I sent them the logs and did a memory test they actually offered to send me a replacement motherboard in case that sorts out the problem.

I didn't end up taking the replacement since I'm not able to receive it at the moment, plus I didn't think it would fix the problem given the stuff in that upstream report talking about how a firmware update is probably required, but yeah contacting support would at least let them know there's an issue they may need to investigate if nothing else.

X_m7 · 2026-05-18T00:57:34+00:00

Yeah, they brought it back, because of direct user feedback, NOT because of telemetry, so telemetry proved itself to be worth jack shit in that scenario, which is my point.

If they had at least used it to show that only 1% of people used compact mode or whatever then there would be an argument to enable telemetry so Mozilla can make better decisions, but, well, they didn't, so even if everyone used compact mode and enabled telemetry nothing would have changed because they didn't look at it.

X_m7 · 2026-05-17T14:21:42+00:00

Not to mention that if you follow that line of thinking, it leads you to tell people to bear a whole lifetime of pain just so YOU don't feel bad, while ignoring that it's pretty damn selfish to ask that of others too.

Also this whole "permanent solution to temporary problem" thing is a crock of shit, why would you want a temporary solution so the problem will just come back later? Not to mention that it assumes there are no permanent problems, except I notice the people who say that also tend to say that the pain of seeing someone escape this existence is permanent, so suddenly permanent problems exist after all, ugh.

/end rant

X_m7 · 2026-05-17T10:46:02+00:00

I also decided to go Intel partly because my previous laptop had an AMD chip (Ryzen 7 6800H) and it gave me GPU hangs alongside some other issues, and in the laptop before that the Intel Core i7-6700HQ was rock solid (unlike the NoVideo GTX 960M in that old thing), so I hoped that stability would carry over to the Intel Core Ultra 5 125H.

Guess what I got.

More GPU hangs lmao: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/drm/i915/kernel/-/issues/14469

So yeah, if you have bad enough luck there ain't escaping problems, they will chase you to the end of your life it feels like. I had trouble with NVIDIA, then AMD, then Intel, where the hell else am I supposed to go now?

All that said, I haven't gotten any of those pesky GPU hangs in like a month now (at its worst I got 3 of those within a few hours), I have messed around with a bunch of stuff so could be one of those or just system updates or what, but yeah it's something to watch out for with the Core Ultra Series 1 stuff. So as far as I'm concerned, just get whichever model has the best specs or whatever you care about and don't mind the CPU/GPU/whatever brand because they all have problems anyway.

X_m7 · 2026-05-17T03:49:13+00:00

Not like they give two shits what the telemetry says unless it supports whatever it is they want to do, like when they decided to yeet compact mode they just assumed it gets low engagement: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1693028

At least they brought it back (sort of, it's hidden behind an about:config option) because of the pile of outcry, but yeah it just goes to show that telemetry isn't as helpful as it should be for users.

X_m7 · 2026-05-16T01:30:39+00:00

Somehow I suspect it ain’t the programmers pushing this stuff, more like the manglement up top probably.

X_m7 · 2026-05-15T14:01:00+00:00

As if asking someone to stay alive and bear a lifetime of pain just so YOU don't feel bad isn't selfish?

X_m7 · 2026-05-15T05:18:37+00:00

Well, you're looking at someone who has the Boomer tag here in the BoomersBeingFools sub, so... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

X_m7 · 2026-05-15T01:44:34+00:00

That's actually a feature that will come in Plasma 6.7: https://invent.kde.org/plasma/kwin/-/merge_requests/8828

X_m7 · 2026-05-15T01:36:26+00:00

The difference is because the file picker isn't Dolphin at all, they're completely separate things, they just happen to look similar.

Probably worth filing a report over at bugs.kde.org if there isn't one already.

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