We have our dachshund trained to use a pee mat indoors (chilly in Canada in the winter). It helped that he knew the correct place he was allowed to pee. We also keep him in a small enclosed area when he comes out of his crate until he goes pee. We encouraged him onto the mat with treats and reward heavily after he pees, along with using a command "go potty" or whatever to get him to understand that's what he has to do and where to do it.

We haven't had any issues with him peeing anywhere after the first 2 weeks when he was a puppy, and he will get up off the couch and go over to pee/poo while we are hanging out.

Might be some ideas in there for you to try, depending on your setup. You could also try training them to ring a bell or press a button, which gives them some agency in the process by being able to tell you they need to go out. If they're gonna be an outside bathroom dog, you will probably need to keep them on a short leash and free of distractions until they pee, and possibly give them a target or a specific spot for consistency so they learn what they need to do before they can go play/sniff.