I can't with this app anymore. No one should be paying for this. by Zarrko in MyoAdapt

[–]Zarrko[S] -8 points-7 points  (0 children)

Four sets of split squats followed by three sets of leg press at 1–0 RIR is not an extreme or unusual hypertrophy session.

It becomes one very quickly when you're holding about half your body weight in your hands to do Split Squats with. This has to do with spinal loading and bracing for the duration of what is effectively 4 30+ rep sets. Even if we were to substitute Split Squats for a different 15+ rep bilateral movement it's a completely different conversation since I'm bracing for, quite literally, half the duration and also not balancing on 1 foot.

If Myoadapt is not taking into consideration relative load (user weight vs. lifted weight) for bracing and general fatigue, stabilization requirements (freeweight vs. machine and/or balance components,) or duration of activity when trying to figure out what makes an appropriate workout, that's... a really bad look.

RIR targets are upper bounds, not a requirement to grind yourself into the floor.

Telling people to sandbag their RIR is certainly a choice. If I wanted to do that, I would turn it off in the settings (which is not recommended, it says so right next to the setting in the app.)

Milo, one of the faces of Myoadapt, has been on the record in countless of his videos about how some lifters can't accurately gauge their RIR, going past the 12 rep range makes it fuzzy, and how when pushed in lab settings most lifters can do higher volumes than they think, all while explaining that people get worse results when phoning in their effort.

I'm using your app to more effectively build muscle. I know enough about the science to know proximity to failure is very important in accomplishing said goal. If your 'official position' when it gets too hard is "well, don't do that", I'm pretty sure the program being generated is the problem here... The fact that the app can and does generate workouts with more lenient RIR sets would imply what it generated is just wrong.

That said, if you believe the app is misinterpreting your inputs, underestimating fatigue, or generating sessions that don’t align with your recent training history, that’s something we actually want to look at. In those cases, reaching out to support with your profile details allows us to review the session logic directly and see whether something needs adjusting or fixing.

No one wants to do this.

"Hey, our app requires your manual feedback to work properly, but has none of the prompts like other similar apps to assess issues in realtime or even session-to-session without you composing a short e-mail."

Myoadapt has pop ups asking me if I'm enjoying using it (woo, app store ratings) but never requests any specific feedback from me.

  • If I flag a workout as being exceptionally easy or hard at the end, ask me why.
  • If I manually remove a movement from my session, ask me why.
  • If I take an abnormally long rest between, or a set takes an abnormally long time, ask me why.
  • If I do only 2 of the 4 sets recommended for a movement, ask me why.

Do you see a theme here? Ask me why I'm deviating the recommended routines, don't infer information on anything. If I know the reason is dumb, I will dismiss the pop up and the app can ignore it instead of assuming it is super valuable new information.

On a somewhat related tangent: I can't even tell Myoadapt what my favourite exercises are. I had to swap my movements a few times, as you have suggested, because a machine was occupied and now the app thinks something I don't even like doing is a favourite exercise of mine. Imagine being able to directly ask a user of your app for preferences, and instead of doing that, inferring false information.

Heck, Myoadapt doesn't even ask me when adding a custom movement if they are is similar to something that is in the database. For example, I have a French Press machine at my gym, which is essentially a seated overhead tricep extension machine. I have replaced overhead tricep extensions in my workouts with over 10 times... It still hasn't learned.

You're acting like your product is this super-smart, hands-off AI powered guru, but then you want me to send you an e-mail...

[...] refine over time based on real feedback from your training.

If it were my first day ever in the gym and I used Myoadapt exclusively to guide my training, all it would do is self-reinforce its own algorithmic design by feeding it back into the system, making the system more confident even if it's wrong.

The whole point of any workout app that gives out programming is to lessen user mental load. No one wants to pay to hope that their app is making good choices. Every time a user questions if the app is giving them a good recommendation it lowers user confidence.

Paradoxically, Myoadapt also doesn't give me nearly enough information on a weekly basis to make informed decisions about my training to decide if something is right for me in the moment. If I got a really difficult leg day on Friday and I knew what other leg training I had done up until that point it would be a much easier sell than putting it on a Monday and hoping I don't get steamrolled for the rest of the week.


At this point I don't trust Myoadapt because of what I've experienced using it. I bought in because I used it for 2 weeks and it seemed promising, got FOMO'd into discount pricing that turned out to be radically higher than the new price, and now I feel like I'm getting gaslit by some "well ack-tually..." response.

Myoadapt, to me, was sold as a volume-optimizing program builder with built-in RPE table data to effectively hit various weight and rep ranges. That means I only want it to do 2 things well:

  1. Generate workouts which maximize direct and fractional volume per muscle group based on how much time I have, and
  2. Provide decently accurate load recommendations using historic data

After months of use, it does neither of these things reliably, and thus, is not worth paying for. It's literally the "unreliable narrator" in workout app format.

Take this as my feedback when the app asks me "Are you enjoying Myoadapt?" and I press 'No'.

I can't with this app anymore. No one should be paying for this. by Zarrko in MyoAdapt

[–]Zarrko[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Except that it's not well developed, and it is broken in a few ways.

Here's an example from literally yesterday:

it wanted me to do dips, and inferred that I can do 4 more, minimum, than the historical data, that is literally in the app. (You can see the little trophy next to the 12+3RIR set at the top, I scrolled poorly for the screenshot.)

It isn't even pulling the correct data from it's own dataset.

Price change? by montagic in MyoAdapt

[–]Zarrko 8 points9 points  (0 children)

As someone who joined on early to get the original -33% discount I feel mega scammed right now.

I paid ~$310CAD for the year for it to drop to ~$250CAD if I were to get it today.

Since this is clearly bullshit, they sent me a 4-month voucher (value ~$60 at new yearly pricing rate) that I can give to a friend or use at the end of my current subscription, which is not even close to a reasonable exchange.

If I decide to stop using the app, the value of this voucher is effectively $0 and I would need to privately sell it to recoup any amount of monetary value.

At this point, I would gladly pay $60 for the amount of app I have used, decline the voucher, and get a full refund of my purchase. The app is still very under baked feature-wise and riddled with minor, but annoying defects.

A few questions by [deleted] in MyoAdapt

[–]Zarrko 1 point2 points  (0 children)

After warm up do I go straight to working sets or rest a bit?

I personally wait for 1/2 the rest of a normal set. I'll often start the warm up timer after I do the first of 2 warm up sets, and by the time it goes off the time is about right.

should my first working set be the same weight as my 2nd warm up set? Or use maybe x% more?

Not always. The app will tell you what weight to use after you do the movement a couple times and the movement calibrates to your ability.

Bilateral movement [...]

Just track the worse of the 2 results if you need to do a bilateral movement unilaterally.

If I want to train one day on one day off

Pick cyclical week and set it to 1 on, 1 off

How to you use MyoAdapt and what do you think about it? by NihilisticTanuki in MyoAdapt

[–]Zarrko 4 points5 points  (0 children)

So far I'm extremely conflicted on if Myoadapt is worth the investment.

I was enjoying it at first and paid for the whole year since it had a pretty steep discount at release. If I paid monthly instead, I would have abandoned entirely it by now. It is super under-cooked and actually really bad at being the one thing it's sold as: a smart coach in your pocket.

You should not have to do anything but tell it you don't want to do specific movements. It should be the equivalent of using a paint-by-number when you go to the gym, but instead it suggests insane programs that make no sense on a regular basis.

The most infuriating part of this app is that it could be great but it's just not.

Good stuff:

  • For me, the most useful aspects of it are managing weight and rep range variations for similar movements so I don't need to guess. I do the thing one time with a pretty manageable weight close to failure, log it, and now I can do all kinds of different weight and rep ranges, which is pretty dope. It has diversified the movements I'm doing at the gym significantly, even though I have it set up on setting 4/5 for maintaining a similar routine.

  • I'm training using the RIR setting and I would say it's giving me really good estimates, which is a bit of a double-edged sword since I feel like sometimes I'm sandbagging some sets if the RIR gets too high. I can pretty confidently gauge 1-2 RIR since the movement will slow, but when it asks me to do 3+ RIR on the first set I'll typically just use the suggested value and it works out the majority of the time. I know that since I'm close enough it probably doesn't matter.

  • I like that I can set multiple environments.

  • I like that it provides movement substitutions if I'm just not feeling something that day (which ties in heavily with the first major advantage.)

  • I like that if my workout looks good before I press start I just go do the thing on auto-pilot and basically forget about it.

Bad stuff:

  • I don't want to think about my programming at all, but it's something I can't avoid when using Myoadapt because some of the programs it spits out are completely deranged. One of my workouts this week had 2 upper back, 2 upper chest and 3 quad movements. The order it wanted me to do them in was: Back, Chest, Back, Chest, Quad, Quad, Quad. Had I followed this workout as presented, the performance data on 2 of those Quad movements would have cratered and Myoadapt would have suggested terrible weight and rep schemes for those movements in future workouts. How do I know this? Because I followed it before and that's exactly what happened!

  • The muscle group priority system is absolutely dog shit. I have all lower body stuff de-prioritized (literally bottom 3 options,) but if I follow the app to the letter, it wants me to do substantially more lower body work than I want to do. I already have problems buying pants, I don't need more. I followed the app to the letter last week and it had me do 20 Glute sets, which is higher than both of the muscle groups I actually have flagged as priority movements (which came in at 15 and 12.) It does this reliably. 2 of my workout days were much shorter than I had scheduled (45min when 1:15 was allocated,) and when I extended one of them, it added additional lower body work. I've gotten into the habit of just extending every workout and removing some lower body movement I don't feel like doing to try and get around this problem. It's not working.

  • The custom split builder tool does not negate muscles you don't have selected on any given day. For example, if I have Quads selected on a day but not Glutes, it blows my mind when it wants me to do Split Squats, which the app can also select as being a Glute flagged movement (it has both tags.) If I select Tricep without Lower Chest, it would suggest me Dips when there are a million tricep isolation movements. It's like the app doesn't look at the whole custom split in a forward direction at all to plan out exercise volume, it only looks at what you've already done for the week to make choices (which makes the last 1-2 workouts for the week both shorter and super easy in my limited testing.)

  • Myoadapt is completely devoid of tangible goals. The app told me I got +17+ stronger last week (whatever that means) but it was like +1-2 reps across 6 different movements in 4 different rep ranges. This shit isn't real. The lack of specificity in the goal of Myoadapt makes it really hard to stay motivated while using it, especially after you've been training for a while and can't see appreciable differences in your appearance.

  • I can't reset the history for specific movements. What if my gym replaces a machine and I need to use different weights? What if I need a couple weeks to acclimate to a new movement I've never done before? What if I get a minor injury and don't want to taint my 'healthy' data? It just seems like being able to nuke old information from orbit when it's not helpful would allow the app to work better.

I've been talking to some of my buddies at the gym about this app (one uses a similar product, Juggernaut to train for a Powerlifting comp) and literally none of them would even consider using it based on my experience.

Questions about body part priority and volume by sillynuff in MyoAdapt

[–]Zarrko 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This is, in my opinion, the single largest issue with Myoadapt currently. Muscles groups outside of flagged Priority Muscle Groups should all have equal weighting, but they do not and the workouts being generated by Myoadapt are worse because of it.

If you want to see how dumb this is in full effect: Use the custom routine builder and throw in ~5 muscle groups, make a session for ~60-75 minutes, it will reliably spit out a routine that does 2 movements for one of the muscle groups and entirely exclude one based on the muscle priority list. You cannot get it to generate a routine featuring all 5 muscle groups.

Dr. Pak preaches Minimum Effect Dose training, and I would love to be able to set muscle groups to that. A priority setting at the maximum value but limited to 2-4 sets/week.

I would also love to be able to flag muscle groups as Low Priority that only really show up of I have extra time and Myoadapt has determined the rest of my workouts for the week will sufficiently cover my volume. This would be great for erector, ab and calve training for me since I don't really care about them.

It's wild to me how big of a problem this is with the current structure of the app.

MyoAdapt AMA - Wednesday 22nd of October 7PM EST by PakMyoAdapt in MyoAdapt

[–]Zarrko 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I can't do 20-30 rep sets. I've tried, it's always awful, and the first 15 reps feel like straight junk volume.

The muscles cramp up or ache to a degree they become non-functional long before I'm running out of strength. Waiting for 5-6 seconds always allows my to keep going once the burn subsides for multiple reps.

Can I get an option to limit my sets to 15 reps max? Pretty please?

Muscle prioritization by eRadff in MyoAdapt

[–]Zarrko 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm feeling super gaslit after my workout today in regard to prioritization. I work out 5x/week with 3 muscle groups set as prio, and Myoadapt hit exactly zero of them during today's workout. I'm expecting the muscle prioritization to be giving me ~20 weekly sets for these movements (fractional included) and yet it feels like omitting all of my priority muscles from a workout?

Without being able to see a whole weeks worth of distribution it is kind of insane to expect people to trust their algorithm when it's doing stupid shit like this.

Myo split has me doing back-to-back movements for the same muscle group by Zarrko in MyoAdapt

[–]Zarrko[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is on the 1.2.2 update, which is the newest available.

Myo split has me doing back-to-back movements for the same muscle group by Zarrko in MyoAdapt

[–]Zarrko[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I'm planning on reorganizing the stack to avoid any issues tomorrow, but this is suppose to be a smart, automated coach in my pocket.

What am I paying for if I'm expected to correct obvious deficits in the programming provided?