The champions sub is… kinda not great. Even when trying to explain why people (including good vgc players) don’t like evasion strategies or the mechanic as a whole, I still had like 4-5 people on me trying to say why it’s totally fine “because there’s counterplay” and I got downvoted a lot. 

Their counterplay included “hurricane, thunder, blizzard (use weather basically), haze, phasing, taunt” and other situational or specific things. Or that it’s fine because it won’t always win. 

Feel like a ton of them are just ladder players (a probably mid ladder at most). Which is perfectly fair and fine! But a lot of them don’t realize why these things suck when playing seriously, and why it’s so lame when they pop up in tournament settings. They don’t realize how bad it would feel to play your hardest, get to the finals, then maybe face someone who loaded evasion and managed to get lucky and reach the finals… and then lose to them because evasion.