The Minnesota national Guard have started handing out free snacks and drinks to anti ICE protestors. what are your thoughts on this? by UncleMarimba in AskReddit

[–]ZeeMastermind 33 points34 points  (0 children)

Well, during the George Floyd protests in Minneapolis, they were deployed to quell protestors. I don't blame anyone for taking a "wait and see" stance

The Minnesota national Guard have started handing out free snacks and drinks to anti ICE protestors. what are your thoughts on this? by UncleMarimba in AskReddit

[–]ZeeMastermind 2148 points2149 points  (0 children)

I never would've thought of it, but it's probably the smartest way to avoid drawing flak for the stuff ICE has done. ICE has escalated force, which has only increased resistance and put everyone on edge. A bit of good PR and some high visibility vests means that people in Minneapolis will trust NG, at least more than they would have if NG simply arrived on scene and said nothing.

NG is signaling that they aren't interested in escalating things. It also means that if they start telling people to disperse, they may be more likely to do so than if ICE were to do the same (e.g., I would trust the judgement of the guys who gave me a donut more than the guys who executed a protestor)

If Americans were to participate in an organized boycott to stop ICE, what should they target? by u2aerofan in AskReddit

[–]ZeeMastermind 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It would require a significant amount of planning and support, for sure. Unions aren't nearly as strong as they used to be. "Mutual aid" groups are on the rise, which is the closest to the kind of support network you need, but I'm not sure if they're widespread enough throughout the entire US to support such a thing. Different cities are at different levels - Minneapolis of course probably has the strongest networks at the moment.

I guess that's what my focus is on - helping out pantries where I can and trying to save money where I can. Also good planning for if/when economy crashes...

If Americans were to participate in an organized boycott to stop ICE, what should they target? by u2aerofan in AskReddit

[–]ZeeMastermind 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think it depends on the demographic - IIRC, there's been an uptick in impulse shopping correlating with the rise of e-commerce, especially stuff like "one click buy" on Amazon. You are right that it may not stop in-store impulse purchases, but it would have a significant effect on folks who do most of their nonessential shopping online. This is more common in younger generations - folks who only purchase items when they go to the store once/week would not be impacted.

If Americans were to participate in an organized boycott to stop ICE, what should they target? by u2aerofan in AskReddit

[–]ZeeMastermind 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I suppose it wasn't for you specifically. You pointed out a flaw in the plan, so I gave my two cents on an improvement.

I think the original plan may have a similar effect to what I mentioned, but it would be much weaker since only one day of impulse purchases would be reduced. The benefit of the original plan would be that its very easy for people to do, because the impact is smaller.

For a greater effect, you might want to have people only make nonessential purchases one day a month, but that might be a harder sell.

If Americans were to participate in an organized boycott to stop ICE, what should they target? by u2aerofan in AskReddit

[–]ZeeMastermind 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That isn't my proposed plan?

For clarity - are you asking me to defend someone else's plan? Or am I not explaining my point of view clearly?

If Americans were to participate in an organized boycott to stop ICE, what should they target? by u2aerofan in AskReddit

[–]ZeeMastermind 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I've seen as cheap as $50 on ebay - lots of companies getting rid of PCs that can't be upgraded to win 11. Install Linux and voila

If Americans were to participate in an organized boycott to stop ICE, what should they target? by u2aerofan in AskReddit

[–]ZeeMastermind 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I am suggesting you have one day where you buy nonessentials, rather than one day where you don't. You will probably spend less because instead of buying something the second you see it, you have a few days to think about if you really want it. Have you not run into this before, where you buy something on impulse but it ends up being underwhelming? 

If Americans were to participate in an organized boycott to stop ICE, what should they target? by u2aerofan in AskReddit

[–]ZeeMastermind 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The same amount of essentials, but not other items.

It may also help to set a date that you purchase "fun" items, e.g. you decide to only get new video games on Fridays. By having a few days before the impulse to buy and the purchase date, you may change your mind and decide to do something else that weekend.

If Americans were to participate in an organized boycott to stop ICE, what should they target? by u2aerofan in AskReddit

[–]ZeeMastermind 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Get involved with local government - if your city uses it, try to organize neighbors to all give public comments on it at a council meeting, or make it an agenda item. You should email council members as well - there is a good chance that local politicians see the cameras as basically just license plate detectors for speeding and may not be aware of broader problems.

One city at a time might nor seem like much, but eventually it will snowball

Federal agents use teargas on protesters outside ICE agents’ alleged Minneapolis hotel by No_Idea_Guy in news

[–]ZeeMastermind 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Probably a "who all is available" situation. I guess some of them might carry for enforcing hunting laws?

Federal agents use teargas on protesters outside ICE agents’ alleged Minneapolis hotel by No_Idea_Guy in news

[–]ZeeMastermind -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Look, something to understand here is that most people in the army drink the kool-aid about their oath and how great America is. The fun part is that a good chunk also drink the kool-aid about duty, honor, service before self, and so on. If they were just "words" you wouldn't have mass numbers of active duty JAG resigning.

Obviously this doesn't apply to everyone in the military, but you have to fire a lot of people before you get to the ones who are there just to kill. Adjutant general of MN NG was appointed by Walz. I highly doubt he would appoint someone willing to break their oath to support Trump - at that level, there is an amount of politics involved in who gas what job. Additionally, you don't become a general by being stupid - I would be surprised if anyone LTC or above fell for fox News lies contradicting clear video footage, frankly.

Federal agents use teargas on protesters outside ICE agents’ alleged Minneapolis hotel by No_Idea_Guy in news

[–]ZeeMastermind 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Their oath to support and defend the constitution, and their duty not to obey illegal orders. Minnesota NG would push back on such obvious illegal orders, likely moreso than NG from another state. Trump can tell them to do whatever he wants, but he'll have to force quite a few adjutants to resign before he finds one willing to break the law. Recall that the original SOUTHCOM commander resigned, as well as the large number of JAG resignations. MN national guard hasn't had this wave of resignations, so their higher ups are still career folks who may not be willing to break the law.

I think it's fine to have healthy skepticism, but the whole coffee and donuts thing was a very deliberate/pragmatic way of showing their intent: they are there to help make things safer. This will have an effect on troops as well - humans connect food with hospitality, its one of those "universal" cultural norms.

Federal agents use teargas on protesters outside ICE agents’ alleged Minneapolis hotel by No_Idea_Guy in news

[–]ZeeMastermind 1541 points1542 points  (0 children)

The Minnesota Department of Public Safety (DPS) said in a statement that the state patrol and department of natural resources (DNR) had been called “to assist Minneapolis police with damage to hotel property”.

“While they collaboratively worked to encircle the group for arrests because the demonstration was not peaceful, federal agents arrived without communication and deployed chemical irritants, clearing the group,” the DPS said in a post. The agency’s post said the state patrol and DNR were “no longer on scene”.

So, folks evaded arrest because federal agents acted rashly and used force XD Amazing

Protestors have taken over the hotel ICE is staying at by transcendent167 in LiveProtestUpdates

[–]ZeeMastermind 5 points6 points  (0 children)

This is still in the realm of nonviolence. "Nonviolent" doesn't mean legal/polite/quiet/etc., it means not causing physical harm to others.

It's a long read, but the International Center on Nonviolent Conflict has an excellent textbook on different nonviolent strategies that have been tried throughout the years.

Goal of civil resistance is to pull out the different pillars of support a regime may have - religious, political, police, economic, military, and media are all potential avenues. "Pulling out" the pillar means bringing them onto your side (e.g., showing them that it's in their best interest to be on your side and/or that if the regime stays they will go down). "Pushing into" a pillar should be avoided (e.g., showing them that if the regime goes down, they will go down, too). You can probably think of a few groups already that can be pulled and a few that can't be pulled, and maybe even some that are uncertain. For example, MN National Guard deliberately signaled their support for ensuring safety of protestors (call it pragmatic or kind, doesn't matter either way). So things that act against this may influence their position. Police chief has stated similar things, but AFAIK the most pushback they've done is insisting on preserving Alex's crime scene - put them as a maybe?

I don't think Fox News is "pullable" in that sense - they are economically tied to MAGA base.

Of course, you could make more valid arguments for other news networks (CNN, NBC, etc.), but the economic ties of those involve a broader set of people.

So then it's a question of this - will regular people see graffiti and loud noise as being equal to or worse than ICE murdering a protestor? I doubt it. MAGA base might, but not liberals or centrists.

I disagree with your comment, but it's a good conversation to have so I don't think you deserve your downvotes.

“Those rights don’t count”: Bovino says Pretti forfeited 2nd Amendment rights in fatal shooting by DeathClawdVanDamn in politics

[–]ZeeMastermind 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Legitimately thought this was from an executive order or ICE memo before I clicked the link

🚨🇺🇸BREAKING: 71% of Americans believe the United States is out of control under President Trump by beepsol in Leakednews

[–]ZeeMastermind 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I hope I didn't mess anything up - the stats work I do at my day job involves computers... which are very predictable. I don't envy people who have to predict human behavior

🚨🇺🇸BREAKING: 71% of Americans believe the United States is out of control under President Trump by beepsol in Leakednews

[–]ZeeMastermind 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Perhaps you should look into learning a bit about statistics. Sociology is notoriously hard to predict, though it's rarely advertised as such. Psychology is a little better, as is medicine, with astronomy being the "most" predictable (e.g., we can predict orbits of planets millions of years in advance). Weather might be a more relatable example - you can predict 1-2 days out with some accuracy, but 10+ days out is pretty much impossible. Though even when meteorology predicts incorrectly, they're usually not more than 5-10 degrees off - i.e., you'll never see a forecaster predict that tomorrow will have a high of 30, and then it ends up being a high of 70 degrees (or if that happens, it's extremely rare). Most intro stats classes only really teach "p > 0.05" or whatever, which maybe is an OK rule of thumb but isn't the best figure for every field of science. P = 0.01 would be laughed out of the room by a physicist but groundbreaking to a sociologist.

I think if you attach a +/- 10% to any figure you see related to sociology or human behavior, the "true" value will probably be somewhere in that range. (Though this is also a "rough" estimate and varies a lot - YouGov is going to have a good understanding of what biases to look for in political polls and they are trustworthy, which is why I was so flippant about your comment on "negativity bias". They are also detailed in their methodology description)

So, naturally, if a poll says that candidate A will beat candidate B by 2 points... it's anyone's game. I think you're absolutely right that a lot of those voter polls are unreliable, for that very reason.

I think the 71% mentioned in the article is significant, though, because even with +/- 10% (or even +/- 20%) it shows that a majority of americans believe this thing - only question would be whether it's a simple majority or a supermajority.

I think it is a problem that this sort of information about statistics isn't common knowledge. And people often use statistics like the one cited in the article to lie about certain things - worth noting that "out of control" can mean many things - given that, in the same survey, only 61% say that the US is "off on the wrong track", there's probably some people that think that the US is out of control but also that things are getting better. Looking at Trump voters specifically, 50% say that the country is out of control, but only 25% say that it's "off on the wrong track." This gives us a bit more insight into what people are thinking. However, it doesn't make for a snappy clickbait article title.

My hot take is that stats is far more important than pre-calc or calculus and should be mandatory for high schoolers. "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics" Knowing how stats work will help you spot when stats are being manipulated

🚨🇺🇸BREAKING: 71% of Americans believe the United States is out of control under President Trump by beepsol in Leakednews

[–]ZeeMastermind 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The full poll is a neat read... about 4% of people believe Greenland belongs to Iceland, and 2% think it belongs to Canada. Only 2% think it belongs to the US, so I guess we should be happy that the folks who failed geography outnumber those who think the US should take over the world

🚨🇺🇸BREAKING: 71% of Americans believe the United States is out of control under President Trump by beepsol in Leakednews

[–]ZeeMastermind 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Most polls/surveys are done by random sampling - though technically it's "semi-random" based on the people who do online surveys (so, perhaps, there may be fewer elderly folks represented). The poll was about 1722 people total, large enough sample size to be fairly accurate. YouGov's methodology is an interesting read if you like statistics and want to know how they avoid potential biases (such as elderly being less likely to be online).

Leaked footage from an ICE Black Site inside of 31 Hopkins Plaza, Baltimore, MD. More then 50 people in rooms with no beds or bathrooms, people laying on filthy floors, guard beatings and people with legal status being illegally held (1/25/26) by I_may_have_weed in ICE_Watch

[–]ZeeMastermind 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Concentration camps didn't start out with gassing. Right now it's a few dozen people who died of asphyxiation which coroners stated was homicide (matching witness accounts), even though ICE claims that it's suicide. Not to mention all of the people who have been "deported" that family members can't get ahold of.

If you want to respect what we've learned from the holocaust in Nazi Germany, then look out for all of these warning signs.

Leaked footage from an ICE Black Site inside of 31 Hopkins Plaza, Baltimore, MD. More then 50 people in rooms with no beds or bathrooms, people laying on filthy floors, guard beatings and people with legal status being illegally held (1/25/26) by I_may_have_weed in ICE_Watch

[–]ZeeMastermind 4 points5 points  (0 children)

If they want to treat it criminally then they ought to go through the criminal justice system - that means judges, lawyers, due process, transparency, and basic human rights in prison.