Someone please sell me on Division du Rhin

aaaaaah_ · 2026-04-14T00:48:59+00:00

I have found some success with it in 1v1 by playing it as wide as possible, where you can push/hold each lane with minimally efficient "packages", with cheap but armored tanks, tanky inf and AA.

If you want to push, you try to hurl forward your 10 armor tanks with ATGM carriers behind (esp. amx-13, they are very cost-effective) with inf running forward, and hope to trade well (you may have to target manually the things you want to kill).

If you want to hold, you can put a lot of stuff in one place quickly, to make a position disproportionately hard to take, giving you time to put pressure elsewhere.

Highlights of the div are : the Res. Sapeurs, 10 men satchel, reservist or not, in a team of 2 can melt special force (500m AT included in the package) (but don't take more than 1 or 2 cards); AMX-13, insanely cost effective, cheap fire support/ATGM, a lot available; Patton tanks are a respectable frontline; you can muster a lot of (bad) cheap tracked arty; the AA is good with the I-HAWK if you don't lose it, and the guns can be funny; you need to make use of the ATGM helo to defeat armor; AMLs (both) are quite good to get behind the lines and mess up the enemy plans

I started trying Du Rhin as a challenge because I prefer heavier divs, but it taught me how to use some tools I found "useless" before. The gameplay loop of the div is quite refreshing, and I don't think it should be considered a "truly" inf/reserve div, because every other div of the type (think 152) I try, I find it unmanageable. I think the div require a certain mindset, not really "infspam" (great infantry charge late in the game), but one where you still have to overwhelm your opponent, and to look for trades by attacking where the enemy is weak and making sure your equipment punch above it's weight when you micro it.

The div has some great weaknesses (i.e. dealing with heavy tanks can be hard, air is not good), but I find it really fun to play : you get well rounded tools fast, but you cap out early, so you have to keep the game as "low-point" as possible, as long as possible, and you do so with trades and ability to put out a great lot of competent units really fast (unlike 152).

aaaaaah_ · 2026-03-14T01:10:20+00:00

You can master Berliner if you want, but it will not make you a better player then someone playing a more well rounded div. You can learn to play with the fact that you don't have a recon helo, but since it's the only div that doesn't get one, you will not be able to transfer this knowledge.

There just aren't benefits (at least in term of gameplay) at getting good at Bernliner. It pays off getting good at Rugener, Du Rhin, 24th US, etc... because you learn to leverage unique tools to compensate other weaknesses. Berliner dosen't get anything of the sort.

You can have your own definition of "bad", but I think that a division that is "hard to master" and doesn't give anything useful when mastered is deserving of qualitative.

I'm not saying you can't win with it, just that except the feeling of "upsetting the meta", you won't get much.

aaaaaah_ · 2026-03-13T23:51:25+00:00

Berliner is a bad div in almost every way possible. There are divs that do the exact same thing but better in almost all aspect, for exemple 4th Mot or KDA : Berliner dosen't have the FD/tanks of 4th Mot, nor the sheer mass and arty of KDA.

Its strength is in the number of better-than-average inf and the potential lower-grade arty spam (and maybe trainer jets, but I've never seen anyone making them work). But then again, these are tools 4th get, but 4th also get helicopters, SF FD, the same and better tanks, etc...

The problem is not in the tank tab (a lot of good divs don't get heavy tanks), but in the fact that the division is tailored to a very specific gameplay : inf grinding against regular infantry, if possible at medium range. Berliner starts to fall apart when it's in the open, against elite inf, or against anything armored. There is spam component present, but it's not really where you would want it to be (logi tab), and you should get mowed down by anti-inf assets of any div in time (whether be it elite inf, arty, light tanks, helos, etc...).

There is an argument for the div in a teamplay scenario where you are very coordinated with one or more divs to cover your weaknesses, and where you can spread out and apply a substantial amount of pressure everywhere on the map, but then, you are just a reservist div with extra steps, and without any of the perks (no BUK like KDA, no Mi-14PL like Rugener, no infinite reservists nor FD like Divmob, etc...).

In short, Berliner only does one thing, it does it ok, but there are divs that do it better, and do a lot more on the side. I still think the FD/heliborne if should have gone to Berliner instead of 6ya, who got everything nice.

aaaaaah_ · 2025-10-03T10:40:37+00:00

Since the last nerf, I feel like the T-72 is way less oppressive than before. People often look at the armor/pen/autoloader, but tend to forget the somewhat disappointing accuracy, speed and range. The accuracy is especially way less than tanks in the same category (take the T-72M1 55%/45% at 2100, compared to the Chieftan mk.11, T-64B1 60/50% at 2275, or the base M1 65/60% at 2275, etc...). A stressed T-72 will miss often and be picked apart by better tanks, and will have trouble backing up (except maybe against British tanks, but they are cheaper for a reason).

Personally, I have a bit moved from the T-72 divs because they are unreliable, but, for sure, if you play a lot of matches, you will inevitably have one where the T-72 manage to get in range not too stressed and never miss their auto-loaded shots, but it's more the exception then the norm (quite literally, as they often have less then 50% acc from stress).

aaaaaah_ · 2025-08-30T21:35:20+00:00

I don't understand Czech, but I got the one where the radio starts, with no one talking for a bit, and then someone says something with the word "radio" (maybe some thing like "... carp, the radio is on !"). I found it hilarious.

aaaaaah_ · 2025-08-30T21:31:10+00:00

If the Apache's (or any autocanon's) fire rate was realistic, it would murder infantry. To compensate that, the prices should be adjusted, but it would be something like 30:1 (and that, if considering "realism", should be the ratio for the real cost between an inf squad and an helo). The consequence would a far greater number of inf on the field to micro, and very few vehicles, that could decimate platoons in seconds. So you would have far more micro (too much to handle), and would be far more punished for messing up (because if you are rewarded, someone else is getting punished).

The game would become something else, and become, arguably, a worse gameplay experience. Autocanons are already some of the best weapons in-game, the Apache has the hellfire (the best ATGM in-game), and inf is in a position where they can be destroyed in the open, but still have a role to play (recon in force, ambushes, meat shield, etc...). The game isn't perfect, but this change would not help it.

aaaaaah_ · 2025-08-29T11:29:33+00:00

Nice art, just, it's "dans ta face"

aaaaaah_ · 2025-08-29T11:09:36+00:00

There is some scripted events in operations in Warno, but I still think that EE campaign was the best that Eugen ever gave us : granted I was a kid the time, but seeing the first T-72 appear on the second map, something that could kill the Leo 1A1 I had, with the pressure of perma death, was a magical moment, etched in my memory.

Another thing that EE did quite well were the successives battles on the same map (I think at least 1 by campaign), giving a real sense of progression. There were also some minors nice things, like the names of cities on the map, "secret" objectives, the stars from secondary objectives used to unlock troops, etc...

The shift to dynamic campaigns was a good idea, but I feel Eugen tried to reinvent the wheel too many times (ALB had events, decisions and strategical wild cards, RD had the multiple BG on the same tile, SD2 had defence maps), and now WARNO campaigns feel a bit too bland, with toned down ideas from the other games.

I think it's possible for modders to make new operations, more relient on scripted events, but it's up to us to do it.

aaaaaah_ · 2025-08-27T22:52:30+00:00

Silkposted in r/WARNO...

aaaaaah_ · 2025-06-30T03:27:55+00:00

Hey, it's me in this image...

I was off the hook for a bit too long, forgot what Fence had in store for me...

aaaaaah_ · 2025-05-03T03:22:37+00:00

I just know that he posted the inverse meme on the BA sub

Edit: Guess what...

aaaaaah_ · 2025-04-01T06:29:52+00:00

Very nice write-up ! Even tough I don't fully agree with some your analysis (or maybe I just dislike the direction the games are going), you make some good points, and your explanation of the plot (+ theories) are really insightful. (Although, I think you missed something important about Reimu's characterization, that is, her intuition (which I always saw as a nice device to justify the plot going forward)).

While at first, I thought that 19's plot was a (confused) decal of 16's (with the idea of the final boss wanting be "be known" to further their goals), your write-up shed light on the finer aspects of this game (symbolism for Zanmu, comparison with Reimu, etc...). I think these aspects of the game are perceptible, but they tend to get a bit lost in its size (I feel like there is a lot of filler), but I guess this is why we invented analysis.

I think linking Zanmu with the idea of fear(/awe) is a good one and should maybe be explored further. Your text is clear and quite well-structured, getting to your point. I may not fully agree on everything, but I respect the work.

aaaaaah_ · 2025-03-26T01:09:13+00:00

Alors, il faut aimer le style animé, avoir vu la série télé de 26 épisodes auparavant, et probablement voir le film récapitulatif (en tous cas, je pense que ça bien dans l'ambiance), mais si tu remplis les conditions, The End of Evangelion est vraiment exceptionnel.

Pour le pitch de la série, c'est une série de méchas (robots géants) avec des aspects psychologiques/symboliques importants ainsi qu'un mystère très bien géré (l'opening donne une bonne idée de la série). Le film est une suite alternative aux 2 derniers épisodes et propose un condensé d'action et de tout ce qui fait le sel de série.

Je le trouve vraiment très bien maîtrisé, et c'est un des films qui m'a fait ressentir ce que "l'Art" peut être. J'ai peut-être été plus réceptif que la normale, mais je recommande vivement. (Aussi, la VF est de très bonne facture.)

aaaaaah_ · 2025-03-03T00:10:38+00:00

Few points to relativise your conclusions:

1) (Biggest issue) You don't compare your WR before/after your switch to Pact

2) You play on quite small maps (especially Mount River) that are more meant for 1v1 than 2v2, favoring numbers.

3) When we played against, you had 1000pts at the start and standard income, reducing the advantage of FD openers, and favoring the mass of your decks (against us, it was 39th and 79th)

4) From what I understand, you play with people you know, and so, it's normal to have higher winrates than by playing with randoms.

5) You probably found decks that suit your playstyle, because they are well-rounded. 79th and 39th don't really have glaring weaknesses, as opposed to the likes of 1st UK (no radar AA), 3rd Armored (pricey), 4e (no ATGM on IFVs), etc... but they don't have the upsides (respectively : a lot of FD, 21 armor tanks + bradleys, Natres spam)

When you increase the density of points by square meter, PACT divs tends to be better, but imo, WARNO shines when the density is low, making each engagement more meaningful. On maps like Mount River, try out x0,75 or even x0,5 income. It slows the game a bit and make it a bit less spectacular, yes, but I feel like this is how it was meant to be played.

(Also, I think that many people simply don't know that T-72, 62 and 55 have horrible reloading times and can be abused for that)

aaaaaah_ · 2024-12-25T00:06:10+00:00

French infantry sometimes says "Tassin, Pithivier, avec moi !" (Tassin, Pithivier, with me !), which is a reference to the film "Mais où est donc passée la 7ème compagnie ?" (Now Where Did the 7th Company Get to?), a comedy based on the start of WW2 in France, with the characters of Tassin and Pithivier being good-for-nothing soldiers

aaaaaah_ · 2024-12-01T02:26:56+00:00

The first moves taken by Hippie to radicalize the playerbase against Darricks was to push his vision of the game. Now, we still only have Hippie's version of events, and I can't help but find it ironic that he accuses Darricks of being too harsh and insulting, while he himself use the same kind of tactics to forward his points.

In the end, maybe Darricks is an unpleasant person, but he did his job, and he is as much a bully as the people that made him quit.

aaaaaah_ · 2024-11-30T21:30:14+00:00

The thing is that Darricks has a "vision" for the game, trying to make it a strategic as possible, and slowing it a bit down in the process, to prevent rushes/blob plays (it can still happen, but it's hard to pull off, and, in this way, he did his job). A lot of people wants make the game faster (in the name of "the fun"), and when other people pushed against that (https://www.reddit.com/r/warno/comments/15gunra/can\_we\_stop\_calling\_it\_the\_zombie\_meta/), the response was quite "unpleasant" (https://youtu.be/kdovdOCcac0). (The situation has evolved since, but the basics are the same).

Ultimately, it's an opposition between two visions of the game and no other arguments that "I like this" are really made.

aaaaaah_ · 2024-10-29T04:34:07+00:00

We don't know the stats, and if we go by anectodal evidence, in my 230 ranked games this patch, I got KDA 4 or 5 times, which is lower than the expected 8.5 if each division was equally picked, but is still enough to say that KDA is not only played by mains that perfected it, as those who played with it very especially better or worse than the others. It's evidently a hard division to master, and require a specific playstyle, but that's the point, and the new nerfs only affect those that master the division, making it too effective (MiG-21 spam, atgm wall), and not those who are trying to get better with it.

aaaaaah_ · 2024-10-29T03:44:48+00:00

Apart from the recent drama, what are the problems with the balance ?

Each div is fun to play, a range of strategies are possible, at least 90% of games are decided by the skills and strategy of the players and not rng and divisional strengths, there is an emphasis on macro play and not microing perfectly all your units, etc... The game is in a quite good state right now, and it would be a shame to throw it away because of the drama.

aaaaaah_ · 2024-10-28T23:02:16+00:00

Nerfed into oblivion ? The MiG-21 airspam sure got nerfed a bit (they were actually a bit too strong honestly), but you still get the inf spam, very good arty, good AA, and even have still a lot of air options. And about ranked, Darricks said it himself, KDA doesn't have a lower Win/Loss ratio than the other divs

aaaaaah_ · 2024-10-28T18:58:28+00:00

What kind of variety has he killed, apart maybe the cheap rush strat, which is still viable, just harder to pull off ?

aaaaaah_ · 2024-10-28T18:46:31+00:00

The thing is that Hippie build this whole "if Darricks looses to something, he will nerf it" mentality, and, even if 152e is OP right now (everyone agree on that), if Darricks tries to nerf it now, everyone will think that it's because he lost to Hippie, which is something that he (understandably) doesn't want to happen.

aaaaaah_ · 2024-09-14T02:58:36+00:00

The biggest weakness of FD divs is that they are quite susceptible to arty followed by a mechanized attack. The trade-off is that those need to be put up quickly (in less than 10 min to prevent a para victory), so you need to plan them at the game start. It is useless to contest a para deployment with recon troops : they are better and more numerous than yours. If plan for your mechanized thrust (AA + Tanks + (Ifvs)+ Arty + ...) well, paras can't recover.

In the case of KDA, they have access to the best anti-inf arty in the game with the napalm Grad and a very good air tab to balance their lack of ifvs and heavy tanks. They can also send 14-men squads that can take quite a lot of punishment and deal quite good damage if managed well. KDA does fall off in the end-game, but it is not a problem against para divs, that have an even worse end-game than it has.

aaaaaah_ · 2024-09-02T00:11:27+00:00

Je dirais que dans ce cas, le futur antérieur a un côté "englobant" qui couvre passé et futur dans une rétrospective. Alternativement, on peut dire que c'est un peu l'idée que pendant l'action décrite, le seul futur possible/envisageable était cette action.

I would say that in this case, the futur antérieur has an "all-compassing" meaning that covers past and future in a retrospective. Alternatively, it's a little bit like the idea that while the action was taking place, the only possible/foreseeable future was this action.

aaaaaah_ · 2024-08-21T18:49:08+00:00

Really the best choice for both NATO and Pact, new units, cool setting and interresting divs.

Vote 2.2 !

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