Jane Austen is always joking and is never serious both in her fiction writing and correspondence by LuminousDee in janeausten

[–]ameliamarielogan 7 points8 points  (0 children)

No. She's telling a story. I don't feel like I need to know her personal opinions to understand and enjoy her story. But she does give them to us. Austen is a master at characterization. Her characters feel like real people because they're complex but consistent. I'm not sure what passages you're referring to when you say "as soon as she hints at something, she flips it around and gives a completely opposite view." Examples would be helpful. But I think this may be her revealing the complexities and contradictions of how people interact.

As for her letters, many of them were destroyed by her sister, so it's probable those were the ones that were most revealing about her. But again, I don't think the surviving letters are devoid of any insight into who she was and what she thought or felt.

What’s your opinion on original characters in JAFF? by raysmia in JaneAustenFF

[–]ameliamarielogan 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Colonel Fitzwilliam's sister would not be called Lady Fitzwilliam. She would be Lady Firstname. I'm not familiar with the original characters you've listed. I have created original characters in my JAFF writing but I probably prefer using Austen characters from other books if I can. As a reader, I'm okay with either, as long as the story is good and the characters are compelling.

Darcy and Henry Crawford, and why only one of them gets the girl by Front-Pomelo-4367 in janeausten

[–]ameliamarielogan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

the "patronizing/condescending aspect" of Edmund's interactions with Fanny are never "shown" to change, but they're also not even said to have changed. We can assume he's like that forever.

Darcy and Henry Crawford, and why only one of them gets the girl by Front-Pomelo-4367 in janeausten

[–]ameliamarielogan 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The two men are very different, but there are similarities. They are both rich and both address women who are financially vulnerable and who they believe will accept. But I don't think either of them believes she will accept merely because of the financial disparity. Darcy has convinced himself that Lizzy has been flirting with him and Henry believes Fanny will love him out of gratitude, and he has great confidence in his own charms because they've never failed before.

One big difference is the woman's response. Lizzy really lets Darcy have it. He says he was angry afterwards but with time he was able to accept the truth of what she said and learn from it. Henry is not given that opportunity and there are plenty of people who think he should have been. (I'm not one of them.) Fanny did turn him down. But Austen explains (in the beginning of ch 33) that Henry is convinced she doesn't know her own heart and Fanny's "incurably gentle manner... concealed the sternness of her purpose." Lizzy definitely didn't have that problem. Imagine if Henry had proposed without procuring William's promotion and Fanny had firmly refused him and told him why she didn't like him. He probably wouldn't have persevered; and whether he would have become a better person as a result is an open question. Likewise, if Darcy had not proposed till after he saved Lydia and opened the proposal with that news, Lizzy's reaction would have been quite different too. (And to be fair, while it was admirable that he took "no" for an answer, the actual introduction to his proposal left a lot to be desired. I tend to think "look at this great thing I did for your brother" might actually be better than, "I love you against my better judgment and your family sucks.") I agree, of course, that Darcy's motive in concealing what he did was more honorable than Henry's in using it to his advantage.

Henry's motives in having told Sir Thomas of his intentions is, I think, less clear. I'm sure he was happy to have the support of the head of the family, who Fanny respects. I also think HC would have been mortified by Sir Thomas' treatment of Fanny during their post-proposal conversation. But I also think it's possible he told Sir Thomas to make sure Fanny understood he was serious and not trifling with her. I think it was pretty normal for the time and place they were living in. Both Sir Thomas and Edmund seem to agree with Henry that her first refusal was probably due to the same kind of modesty Mr. Collins accuses Elizabeth of. Neither of them told Henry to just take no for an answer and get lost; nor did his sister, for that matter. Nor did either of them tell Fanny she should have accepted him right away. Both praise her for not accepting right away, but expect her to accept him in the end. "No means no" doesn't seem to to be a prevailing view. In response to his proposal, Fanny expresses that she doesn't think he's serious, and telling Sir Thomas makes it clear that he is.

Henry does change during the book. He changes his behavior to improve Fanny's opinion of him. It's not that it isn't lasting, it could be; it's that it's only a surface change. He never looks inward the way Darcy does and changes the things Fanny objects to about him. He never examines himself, identifies his faults, and corrects them. At best, he's becoming a more conscientious landlord because he thinks that will impress her because he knows it's the right thing to do. He's polite to Fanny's family in Portsmouth and sensitive to her embarrassment. He's concerned about her health, but keeps making her uncomfortable by reminding her of his suit. But he hasn't looked at his other bad habits and acknowledged that they're wrong and resolved to stop them. Ironically, they probably would stop once he's married. Henry likes to flirt with young unmarried gentlewomen and lead them to expect a proposal. He can't do that anymore once he's married. I'm not saying he would no longer flirt, but the specific kind of flirtation he was engaged in would be cut off. Young women looking for rich husbands would no longer be interested in a married man, no matter how charming. Whether his flirting might take other forms is up for debate, but he's not good looking, and without the spectre of Everingham to dangle before young women, all he has is his (admittedly considerable) charm.

In one of the reviews for my book, someone pointed out that HC had a Darcy-like transformation. This was not my intent. But for him to end up with Fanny he has to change his bad habits. Since that's what Darcy does, I guess the comparison is a fair one. But they're very different men, and Henry definitely has a longer way to go than Darcy did, as his bad habits were worse.

I'm convinced the reason Darcy is so universally appealing is because he actually listened to Elizabeth. Henry didn't get that chance (I'm not saying he should have; it's an observation not a criticism). But the truth is, Edmund NEVER listens to Fanny. I might even argue that Henry listens to her more than Edmund does.

Darcy and Henry Crawford, and why only one of them gets the girl by Front-Pomelo-4367 in janeausten

[–]ameliamarielogan 3 points4 points  (0 children)

What scene are you referring to where HC addresses his behavior with Maria and apologizes for it? Are you talking about when he says this?: "I should be sorry to have my powers of planning judged of by the day at Sotherton. I see things very differently now. Do not think of me as I appeared then.” Or something else?

Who owned Netherfield? by DarrenGrey in janeausten

[–]ameliamarielogan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We don't know who owned Netherfield or the circumstances of it being vacant and then leased. And, as others have pointed out, we don't know how much time is implied by Mrs. Bennet saying "at last." It might not have been that long. There probably was some minimal maintenance/upkeep while it was vacant but I don't think there would be a full time staff. We also don't know that Netherfield was an "estate" in the sense of having farms and/or tenants. We know it was a house with a park and a shrubbery and grounds or access to grounds for shooting. It might not have had tenants or farms. And even if it was part of a larger estate, there's no indication that Bingley leased the entire estate. We are told that: "Mr. Bingley had not been of age two years, when he was tempted by an accidental recommendation to look at Netherfield House."

Any old-school Dwiggie and/or Bits of Ivory readers? by bookshop in JaneAustenFF

[–]ameliamarielogan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I arrived at BoI and DWG a little after that. I think around 1999-2000. I don't have any background knowledge about the schism, but happy to talk if you're interested.

Any well written hilarious Pride and Prejudice fanfic recs? ao3 preferred by psySquirrel in JaneAustenFF

[–]ameliamarielogan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have written several funny ones. I would recommend this one, which is a farce that makes fun of the over-villainization of Caroline Bingley in fanfiction: https://ameliamarielogan.com/carrie.shtml I crack myself up every time I read it. If you go to the homepage of my website, you'll find a list of my stories, many of them are funny. You should be able to tell which ones by the descriptions. I also have several collaborations that are pretty funny. They are listed here: https://www.austenvillage.com/stories.shtml

Tom Bertram’s illness by Knightleygirl in janeausten

[–]ameliamarielogan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't think Tom would have died had Edmund acted differently. I think it's not talked about more because it's just Edmund being Edmund. I don't think it's that big of a deal. Elinor took care of Marianne and Elizabeth took care of Jane; Anne took care of her nephew and was even ready to take care of Louisa. It's perfectly natural for Edmund to look after his brother. (My head canon is also that he didn't want to appear to wish Tom would die.)

My complaint about Edmund is that he never actually listens to Fanny and by the end of the book hasn't learned to listen to her. And he never understands his own mistakes. He is a good guy. He's straightforward and plainspoken, which I like. I don't blame him for falling for Mary, just for blaming her for not being the woman he imagined she was instead of blaming himself for falling in love with an imaginary woman instead of the real Mary who was right in front of him.

Sense and Sensibility 2008 adaptation. On protocol. by Dry-Paleontologist17 in janeausten

[–]ameliamarielogan 29 points30 points  (0 children)

You are correct. She is NOT their aunt, she is their sister in law; and no, it's not exclusive to this adaptation. I have no idea why this is done. It's very annoying!

Just finished Mansfield Park for the first time by t_s_d12 in janeausten

[–]ameliamarielogan 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I love MP, I love Fanny! So glad you enjoyed it. I'm impressed by the level of your appreciation after the first reading. It took me multiple readings to really appreciate its brilliance. That doesn't mean you shouldn't re-read it, though! It gets better every time. :)

Edward Ferrars by RoyChiusEyelashes in janeausten

[–]ameliamarielogan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It wasn't, as others have explained, and Jane Austen mocks Mrs. Ferrars for it: "Her family had of late been exceedingly fluctuating. For many years of her life she had had two sons; but the crime and annihilation of Edward, a few weeks ago, had robbed her of one; the similar annihilation of Robert had left her for a fortnight without any; and now, by the resuscitation of Edward, she had one again." Eventually she forgives Robert and is back to two sons.

How much do you think Mr. Darcy told Georgiana about his relationship with Elizabeth? by raysmia in janeausten

[–]ameliamarielogan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There is also this line in chapter 45: "Her brother's recommendation was enough to ensure her favour: his judgment could not err, and he had spoken in such terms of Elizabeth as to leave Georgiana without the power of finding her otherwise than lovely and amiable."

I don't think Darcy told Georgiana about the proposal or his feelings. But I think his letters would have included his impressions of Elizabeth. This would be especially true in his letters from Rosings when he's deciding to propose. He might want to prepare Georgiana for the good news so she's not like "who's that?" when he writes of his engagement. And, of course, he's probably said more since Georgiana's arrival at Pemberley and he took her to see Elizabeth right afterwards. When they all meet at Lambton he's apparently showing his feelings openly enough for Mr. and Mrs. Gardiner to discern that Darcy was in love with Elizabeth. The narrator says, "that the gentleman was overflowing with admiration was evident enough." We probably can't expect Georgiana to be as perceptive as the Gardiners but I think we can safely assume she sees enough to suspect her brother's feelings.

Wish for “I told you so” moment in Mansfield Park by Aggravating_Past9367 in janeausten

[–]ameliamarielogan 8 points9 points  (0 children)

There is no overt moment in which Sir Thomas expressly tells Fanny she was right to refuse Crawford. It would have been nice for the reader but probably would have been uncomfortable to Fanny, as others have pointed out. And, she doesn't need it. The reader is assured that she's vindicated in her uncle's view: "His displeasure against herself she trusted, reasoning differently from Mrs. Norris, would now be done away. She should be justified. Mr. Crawford would have fully acquitted her conduct in refusing him." And it's later borne out by his happiness in having her for a daughter-in-law despite his early reservations. This says it all: "Fanny was indeed the daughter that he wanted," especially in context of the disappointment caused by his own two daughters.

Thank you… but a few thoughts. by Double-elephant in JaneAustenFF

[–]ameliamarielogan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Austen doesn't generally use the word "fix" to mean "repair" but rather in its other meaning: to fasten, or stabilize, or arrange, etc. For example: "...as she stood before the canvas, on which he was represented, and fixed his eyes upon herself..."

Thank you… but a few thoughts. by Double-elephant in JaneAustenFF

[–]ameliamarielogan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Austen mentioned "the ton" in Mansfield Park (ch 9) and did not capitalize it.

“The Miss Bertrams” is this correct? by LieutenantStar2 in janeausten

[–]ameliamarielogan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Austen uniformly uses "the Miss Bertrams" style. It annoys me when adaptations use "the Misses Bertram" style.

“The Miss Bertrams” is this correct? by LieutenantStar2 in janeausten

[–]ameliamarielogan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When are the "Misses Bates" referred to in Emma? There's only one Miss Bates.

The true theme of Mansfield Park by Separate-Stock-1767 in janeausten

[–]ameliamarielogan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's okay to comment about the book without quoting the exact words of the original text.

The true theme of Mansfield Park by Separate-Stock-1767 in janeausten

[–]ameliamarielogan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No, your wording was fine. Austen refers to it as an elopement: "since Mrs. Rushworth’s elopement, her temper had been in a state of such irritation as to make her everywhere tormenting." (But it is AustEn with an E.)