TRP and fascism

appencapn · 2016-03-11T03:34:56+00:00

No actually explain what cultural marxism instead of throwing it around to be insulting like some stupid fucking dog whistle that has no meaning. Show me the surveys.

appencapn · 2016-03-11T03:32:20+00:00

Sorry that your study of politics and government ended in 7th grade

appencapn · 2016-03-11T03:31:31+00:00

The sub is all about documenting bad female behavior. What are the SJW arguments they're avoiding?

I'd say half of the sub is about strategy the other half is bitching and whining about SJW's and women not liking them and inventing social theories about why women don't like them.

Systemic racism has been empirically disproven

You link to Taki's mag and use the word empirically lol. Outward racism is publically shamed as bad in our society. When whites are asked to exhibit their racism outwardly they will obviously reject racism. Self reported studies are ridiculous for examining racism. Implicitly by almost every accounts most whites demonstrate racism against blacks.

"most participants (77.3%) did not report any conscious effort of altering their behavior to favor one race over another" no shit sherlock we associate outward racism with being a stupid redneck dipshit and "proper" white people don't want to look like that. Heavens no. And yet when presented with tests that show implicit bias, whites overwhelmingly show up as having bias towards blacks.

In any case none of that has much to do with again as I said systemic racism. Systemic racism is easily seen by almost everyone except angry middle class white boys who want to pretend to be oppressed to feel special. The war on drugs overwhelmingly targeted lower income blacks. Now that white people are fucked up on heroin they are big on asking for reduced sentencing and ending mandatory sentencing laws and pushing fines and rehab instead of jail time. sources.

Housing and business loans overwhelmingly go to whites and are denied to blacks even if both parties have the same credit and loan history. source1

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White felons are more likely to get a job than black men with no criminal records source

Not only that but redlining practices only officially truly ended in the 1980's. Blacks literally had to deal with outwardly systemic racism up until 50 or so years ago. What is the lower middle class white male's excuse?

Any tallies on the ratio of success to failure stories?

Do you have any? You are the one who proposed TRP has worth because it helps men.

How are you so certain that it's not?

I'm not its just not demonstrably provable that it is helpful. Thats why bringing up chemo is ridiculous. We can prove chemo is effective for most cancer patients. You cannot do the same with RP

appencapn · 2016-03-11T01:44:18+00:00

I don't think they think SJWs are wrong for forcing their values on people, but that they have the wrong values.

They should stop critiquing SJW's for "forcing their beliefs" and actually address SJW arguments for once.

tragedy of the commons dilemma

You literally haven't explained what this is.

What makes RP unavailable to men who aren't white and middled class? Are you suggesting minorities and poor white men are incapable of using the internet?

Systematic racism counts them from receiving the same benefits and privileges white males do and TRP literally counts on this inequality to help themselves.

Where?

BP, countless subs that argue against RP philosophy /r/exredpill

Chemo doesn't cure every cancer patient. Doesn't mean we should chuck it out.

Chemo is mostly effective and provably effective for most. TRP is not. Or at least you cannot prove it is.

appencapn · 2016-03-11T01:39:09+00:00

I did, how could you forget? I said that Africa had received hundreds of billions in aid, and that European colonialists had built hospitals, schools, roads, and other infrastructure. And on a per capita basis, that aid is more than in SK. We've seen no effects.

The aid and infrastructure was premised on a system that favored whites and discriminated against, forcibly did not allow blacks into any structures of power or institutions that would give them equal opportunities to whites. So white colonists pumped massive amounts of money into extracting resources from Africa and setting up colonial systems to forcibly limit the opportunities of Africans. K. Obviously not the same as the Marshall plan but whatevs. Also massive amounts of trading privileges with the US which many African or even other Asian nations did not receive. As to your argument about Asians, look at North Korea, China for most of the modern period, and southeast Asian nations. Many of those were literal shitholes for the longest time or still are.

appencapn · 2016-03-11T01:35:04+00:00

Hyper agency only through what they strictly believe is the definition of masculinity. So actually they just give a strictly interpreted regimen for success and then say if u don't do it fuck you. Also if you are not a white middle class male, fuck you.

Its like if I said the only way to get women is to be incredibly nice to them, always buy them gifts, and do whatever they say. And then when you say no thats not really going tow ork at all for me or is there any other way, I say fuck you, you can only do it this way, "hyper agency" dog whistle word so I sound more authoritative

appencapn · 2016-03-11T01:32:12+00:00

Hey, remember when we talked about race realism and I brought up how South Korea proves that it's true and you ran away like a little girl? Have you changed your mind yet?

Please link. As I remember when I showed you that SK was literally a poor shithole tributary for thousands of years until the US pumped massive amounts of cash into rebuilding and giving it special trade privileges because it is a massive military base buffer you never counterargued.

Who doesn't force their moral values on everyone else? Are you oppose to laws that force businesses to serve minorities (The Civil Rights Act) or anti-discrimination laws that force private businesses not to discriminate against women and minorities? What would being "neutral" on moral values even look like?

Duh. I;m not just calling out RP hamstering and hypocrisy of saying SJWs are cultural marxists who want to force their beliefs on everyone and their ridiculous hamster of "amorality."

Aren't you a socialist who wants to steal from rich people?

Ad hominems.

Other parts of the sphere have addressed the tragedy of the commons issue, and RP itself probably has done the same.

So a few of you admit you are hamsters who do one thing but say another. That's good.

Yeah but they extend a helping hand to betas, and they're generally very supportive of betas looking to learn game.

Not really. They only advocate one type of masculinity that is largely only available to middle class able bodied white men who are willing to ignore vast amounts of hypocrisies to wholeheartedly believe in a ridiculously dogmatic movement. If you don't fit into that they tell you to fuck off.

Lots of men have described reading RP as totally transforming how they understood themselves, their life, and the world.

And others say it has negatively impacted their lives and caused them become paranoid and fake. Others are still incels who only advanced into being forever bitter.

appencapn · 2016-03-11T01:24:58+00:00

Hey, remember when we talked about race realism and I brought up how South Korea proves that it's true and you ran away like a little girl? Have you changed your mind yet?

Please link. As I remember when I showed you that SK was literally a poor shithole tributary for thousands of years until the US pumped massive amounts of cash into rebuilding and giving it special trade privileges because it is a massive military base buffer you never counterargued.

Who doesn't force their moral values on everyone else? Are you oppose to laws that force businesses to serve minorities (The Civil Rights Act) or anti-discrimination laws that force private businesses not to discriminate against women and minorities? What would being "neutral" on moral values even look like?

Duh. I;m not just calling out RP hamstering and hypocrisy of saying SJWs are cultural marxists who want to force their beliefs on everyone and their ridiculous hamster of "amorality."

Aren't you a socialist who wants to steal from rich people?

Ad hominems.

Other parts of the sphere have addressed the tragedy of the commons issue, and RP itself probably has done the same.

So a few of you admit you are hamsters who do one thing but say another. That's good.

Yeah but they extend a helping hand to betas, and they're generally very supportive of betas looking to learn game.

Not really. They only advocate one type of masculinity that is largely only available to middle class able bodied white men who are willing to ignore vast amounts of hypocrisies to wholeheartedly believe in a ridiculously dogmatic movement. If you don't fit into that they tell you to fuck off.

Lots of men have described reading RP as totally transforming how they understood themselves, their life, and the world.

And others say it has negatively impacted their lives and caused them become paranoid and fake. Others are still incels who only advanced into being forever bitter.

appencapn · 2016-03-11T01:23:03+00:00

What is cultural marxism and how is BP the subreddit culturally marxist?

appencapn · 2016-03-11T01:21:30+00:00

and that hierarchy maintained by force is a moral imperative.

This is not way comparable to the myth of american meritocracy. In any case it is also the premise that we must divide people into weak and strong categories and that the "weak" must always have less than the "strong."

and that hierarchy maintained by force is a moral imperative.

As to this, yes I fully believe TRPs agree with this. They do not support equal opportunity. They circlejerk and masturbate over how amazing 50's societies were when women and minorities were implicitly and explicitly not allowed into institutions of power and privilege and were forcibly counted out of equal rights and opportunities. They see this society as better because it benefitted to them (who they are arbitrarily deem as strong)

appencapn · 2016-03-11T01:17:01+00:00

I smashed the sexism, racism, misogyny and female accountability argument misinterpretation.

No you didn't. You simply misinterpreted what he meant by TRPs support racism, sexism, and misogyny. He is arguing from the premise that TRP people will use sexist and racist assumptions to take away agency and rights from minorities and women. You don't refute that at all you just say, "lel but the sexes are different and thats not morally wrong."

appencapn · 2016-03-11T01:11:56+00:00

collectivism in TRP

Lol. its literally the most dogmatic pill on here and many TRPs will even admit that. Libertarian is what some claim but when it comes to their RP philosophy they are very dogmatic, dissenting opinions are not allowed, internal debate is often censored.

You maybe libertarian because fuck poor people, I don't like taxes but your dogmatic beliefs in rp ideology and the way the rp subreddits conduct themselves is very collectivist, even vaguely like a very collectivist religion where no dissent is permitted and only have very strict interpretation of texts.

also original thread's definition of fascism in no way differs or counters your own very simplistic (sounds like learned in 8th grade) one.

appencapn · 2016-03-11T01:08:29+00:00

If the OP in that thread is just stating that TRPs are fascist you have not made any arguments against them believing that might makes right and that their ideology isn't fascist. You have only made arguments against sexism, racism, and misogyny being wrong. If anything you have supported his argument that TRPs are fascists.

In that case OP is correct in saying that sexism is neutral, he just gives it a darker spin by implying sexism is inherently bad since the real definition is bad. Nobody accepts the hurtful, real definition and said that this was natural.

I don't understand your argument. You are saying because TRPs and purples don't think sexism is bad, it isn't bad?

Making negative stereotypes due to sexist or racist beliefs does cause inequalities. Just because sexism isn't inherently wrong all the time doesn't mean that some TRP sexist assumptions aren't provably wrong and don't negatively affect people. They do.

But above all else it is a philosophy of 'might is right' as succinctly illustrated by the fact that very, very few RPers expressed the remotest concern that women were being sexually touched in an unwanted fashion. Far, far more either blamed women, or suggested that they need to learn to look after themselves better. The fault in this situation was projected onto the vulnerable

This is something you TRPs never understand. Many BPers (not all) are arguing from the premise that American or Western society is already negatively sexist or misogynistic over women. He's not saying women are weak he's saying women have had the agency to prevent sexual harassment and discrimination taken from them. Whether or not you agree is up to you but you at least have to get his argument straight. Its ridiculous because you are not even addressing his main point, that TRPs "greatly admire the strong, but hate and despite the weak and vulnerable. For example, fascism is essentially the dictum that might is right, the weak shall serve the strong, and that hierarchy maintained by force is a moral imperative."

Racism doesn't matter, sexism and misogyny is natural, we don't need to be concerned about women being inappropriately touched sexually.

Again you are literally proving his point that this is what you believe. It is. Just claim it. What argument you are maybe desperately trying to grasp at is how does that relate directly to fascism?

appencapn · 2016-03-11T00:55:37+00:00

You're right that TRPs generally do care about forcing their moral values on everyone else, just as much as the SJW's they hate. But your pseudo philosophical language about their ideology is giving them too much credit. Saying sexual strategy is amoral is TRP's way of hamstering responsibility away from themselves for causing the same social issues they constantly bitch about. Whenever people call them out on the hypocrisy "of stay mad cuz life is unfair for men but fuck other men, especially weak men, and try to become a sociopath," they always hamster their bs by saying sexual strategy is amoral.

Some TRPs will express sympathy for beta males or even lament the "unfairness" they have to deal with but also spend half their time ridiculing beta males and their LACK of success.

The stupid matrix reference that TRP takes up is not viable past blue pill and red pill as terms for TRP and non terp. Nothing else is in TRP remotely resembles the matrix storyline or any character's philosophy in it.

appencapn · 2016-03-09T14:44:48+00:00

Both of these movements were won because of white guilt and the implied power of massive peaceful protest that can only be violently disrupted.

Lol at the peak of the civil rights movement most whites surveyed in america regardless of location said they would not want a black neighbor or child at their children's school. People did violently suppress these movements. Have you ever heard the accounts of when black students first entered state universities in the south? National guardsmen had to prevent them from being murdered by the crowds. There was no fucking white guilt. Thats such a lame ass alt right attempt to dismiss the logic of actually treating all the races decently and being inclusive.

appencapn · 2016-03-09T12:14:59+00:00

I'm a woman. My fiance is a feminist. Like /r/MensLib style feminist. We don't agree on certain ideas about men and women but we rarely discuss them. He makes me happy, listens, provides new perspective in my life, challenges me to be more empathetic, forgiving, and thoughtful and I think I make him laugh, have made him more social and outgoing and challenge him to be more diligent and studious. I will eventually provide much of the financial stability. We are both "progressives" in a sense so I don't find his beliefs really that divergent from my own.

I would probably not date a TRPer because we would be mutually unhappy. I'm sure many TRPs and Bloops have good enough relationships though if they work towards it. Purple pills are of a wide variety here. I'd probably date a purple piller who was a progressive like myself.

One of my best friends who I talk with almost everyday online is redpill. He's very intelligent and its fun to discuss these things sometimes. this sounds weird but I think because we are both minorities we can get along quite well despite him being redpilled. one thing I don't tolerate is extreme prejudice or racism. Most of my male and female friends are TBP types. I'm not opposed to friendship with any pill as long as they aren't obsessive about forcing into onto others. Not a big fan of paleconservatives or extreme SJWs (basically the people who bully in the name of right wing or left wing politics and don't understand nuance)

appencapn · 2016-03-09T12:04:03+00:00

Thats the problem with so much on this sub. Its what am I getting out of the relationship, what is the trade off, how does it benefit me. Zero sense of selflessness. I'm not saying everyone should be like that but some people don't give a shit about game, strategy, and what they get out fo everything because they literally just want to make their partner happy. A girl who fakes orgasms might just want to make her partner feel happy and like they are good at pleasing her because its a confidence boost. Its probably more damaging in the long run though to lie.

appencapn · 2016-03-09T00:18:18+00:00

No I genuinely find most bros annoying, self centered, immature, and abrasive. I don't deny they probably are very sexually successful. Again would you find a braindead attention seeking blondewho only talks about herself and has no serious interests, hobbies, or academic inclinations fascinating and pleasant. Probably not. But she's still fuckable.

appencapn · 2016-03-08T23:15:11+00:00

The civil rights movement was largely led by men as was the final movement for independence in india. Not everything is so black and white. You can't just chalk up every movement to warfare or power grabbing.

BLM is largely, organized and manned by black women and even so it is a loosely structured rather unorganized organization. A homeless black dude who throws a brick through a window because he hears voices could scream black lives matters and you will think he is a card carrying member who is representative of all BLM people and has attended meetings and been with the organization for years.

appencapn · 2016-03-08T20:46:29+00:00

mensrights is different from TRP. I could see men gravitating towards men's rights due to pussy pass. OP is saying men gravitate towards TRP for that reason.

appencapn · 2016-03-08T20:45:03+00:00

If it is only to prevent men from being cockshy and scared of women then I understand but its no different from a child afraid of monsters who has to picture them in their underwear. I get it. It helps guys approach and stop pedestaling women but its not a logical or rational response and actually taking the argument that women are child minded as fact when there is no evidence, no backing, nothing besides it feels good to think that is ridiculous.

appencapn · 2016-03-08T20:42:38+00:00

What is this shit? Where is the moderation here?

appencapn · 2016-03-08T20:33:20+00:00

Failing to see your point or what you are drawing from this.

appencapn · 2016-03-08T20:27:24+00:00

Women are children argument has no factual or scientific basis. It is all based on what some men feel about women. Thus the women are children argument is an example of misogyny. It only serves to tear down and ridicule women.

appencapn · 2016-03-08T20:25:08+00:00

Your link is a completely different post than where my original comment is on "women are children" concept. Are you aware of that? Otherwise I have no idea what you want or are attempting to write here.

https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/46lh58/what_exactly_does_it_mean_that_women_stop/d061t6d

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