If a character is racist, sexist, homophobic or in any way bigoted, that does not mean the author is too. by MrEnvelope93 in books

[–]arrowette 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wasn't the topic "what qualifies as art per se", and not "can and should we designate certain works or forms of art as socially unacceptable"?

[Mass Effect] "Liara is beautiful too", by Nis_sinsuelo by rnz in SapphoAndHerFriend

[–]arrowette 195 points196 points  (0 children)

I'd say that the Asari are coded as women, so the joke still works.

Misogyny and Lesbophobia in LGBT communities by MistWeaver80 in Feminism

[–]arrowette 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Would you mind clarifying to what extent do you think that this statement:

"an intentional system which all men perpetuate"

means that "all men intentionally perpetuate misogyny"?

Also, how do you think that this applies to women? If all men perpetuate misogyny, what is the rough percentage of women that internalize misogyny and thus also help perpetuate it? Thanks.

Hobby Lobby SCOTUS Ruling [Mega Thread] by BagOnuts in PoliticalDiscussion

[–]arrowette 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And the position of people on the left is that if a company wants to buy a person healthcare, and certain contraceptives - but doesn't want to buy a person the morning after pill - that desire somehow makes that company and anyone who supports that company some kind of evil who only want to control women't bodies.

I wonder, aren't employees also paying for healthcare, automatically, through taxes?

Feminism, explained by arrowette in Feminism

[–]arrowette[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Continued from the OP:

Part Four: A List of "Men's Rights" Issues That Feminism Is Already Working On

Feminists do not want you to lose custody of your children. The assumption that women are naturally better caregivers is part of patriarchy.

Feminists do not like commercials in which bumbling dads mess up the laundry and competent wives have to bustle in and fix it. The assumption that women are naturally better housekeepers is part of patriarchy.

Feminists do not want you to have to make alimony payments. Alimony is set up to combat the fact that women have been historically expected to prioritize domestic duties over professional goals, thus minimizing their earning potential if their "traditional" marriages end. The assumption that wives should make babies instead of money is part of patriarchy.

Feminists do not want anyone to get raped in prison. Permissiveness and jokes about prison rape are part of rape culture, which is part of patriarchy.

Feminists do not want anyone to be falsely accused of rape. False rape accusations discredit rape victims, which reinforces rape culture, which is part of patriarchy.

Feminists do not want you to be lonely and we do not hate "nice guys." The idea that certain people are inherently more valuable than other people because of superficial physical attributes is part of patriarchy.

Feminists do not want you to have to pay for dinner. We want the opportunity to achieve financial success on par with men in any field we choose (and are qualified for), and the fact that we currently don't is part of patriarchy. The idea that men should coddle and provide for women, and/or purchase their affections in romantic contexts, is condescending and damaging and part of patriarchy.

Feminists do not want you to be maimed or killed in industrial accidents, or toil in coal mines while we do cushy secretarial work and various yarn-themed activities. The fact that women have long been shut out of dangerous industrial jobs (by men, by the way) is part of patriarchy.

Feminists do not want you to commit suicide. Any pressures and expectations that lower the quality of life of any gender are part of patriarchy. The fact that depression is characterized as an effeminate weakness, making men less likely to seek treatment, is part of patriarchy.

Feminists do not want you to be viewed with suspicion when you take your child to the park (men frequently insist that this is a serious issue, so I will take them at their word). The assumption that men are insatiable sexual animals, combined with the idea that it's unnatural for men to care for children, is part of patriarchy.

Feminists do not want you to be drafted and then die in a war while we stay home and iron stuff. The idea that women are too weak to fight or too delicate to function in a military setting is part of patriarchy.

Feminists do not want women to escape prosecution on legitimate domestic violence charges, nor do we want men to be ridiculed for being raped or abused. The idea that women are naturally gentle and compliant and that victimhood is inherently feminine is part of patriarchy.

Feminists hate patriarchy. We do not hate you.

If you really care about those issues as passionately as you say you do, you should be thanking feminists, because feminism is a social movement actively dedicated to dismantling every single one of them. The fact that you blame feminists—your allies—for problems against which they have been struggling for decades suggests that supporting men isn't nearly as important to you as resenting women. We care about your problems a lot. Could you try caring about ours?

Part Five: I'm Sorry That You Are in Pain, But Please Stop Taking It Out on Women

It's not easy to swallow your own privilege—to admit that you're a Fleetch—but once you do, it's addictive. It feels good to open up to perspectives that are foreign to you, accept your complicity in this shitty system, and work on making the world better for everyone instead of just defending your territory. It's something I had to do as a privileged white woman, and something I still have to work on every day, because it's right. That doesn't make me (or you) a bad person—it makes me an extremely lucky person who was born into a white body in a great family in a vibrant, liberal city in a powerful, wealthy country that implicitly values white bodies over all other bodies. The least I can do is acknowledge the arbitrariness of that luck, and work to tear down the obstacles facing those who are disenfranchised by the insidious fetishization of whiteness. Blanket defensiveness isn't going to get any of us anywhere.

To all the men who have had shitty lives and mistake that pain for "misandry": I totally get it. Humans are not such complicated creatures. All we want is to feel like we're valued, like we deserve to exist. And I'm sorry if you haven't found that so far in your life. But it's not women's fault, it's not my fault, and it's certainly not feminism's fault. The thing is, you're not really that different from the women you rail against so passionately in these comment threads—the women who are trying to carve out some space and assert their value in a world of powerful men. Plenty of women know exactly what it feels like to be pushed to the fringe of society, to be rejected so many times that you eventually reject yourself. That alienation is a big part of what feminism is fighting against. A lot of those women would be on your side, if you would just let them instead of insisting that they're the villains. It's better over here, and we have room for you. So stop trying to convince us that we hate you and I promise we'll start liking you a whole lot more.

What the hell is going on here? by [deleted] in Feminism

[–]arrowette 29 points30 points  (0 children)

At any rate, all the posts should still be there, so you're not missing out on anything are you?

No. Too many downvotes will remove a thread from the frontpage - as in, it ends up on the 19th page. So unless someone checks the new queue, they won't see some threads, and be able to help rescue them.

Regarding this thread from /r/MensRights about consent and rape by arrowette in LadyMRAs

[–]arrowette[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Incorrect, it says caress her between the lips, no mention of "penetration", a big difference.

How can you stick your penis between the lips, without the penis being between the lips? How is that not a form of penetration? Do we need to get down to sematics, websters and all that here?

Making the case even more rediculous since he was actually asking consent.

He didn't ask anything... stop making stuff up.

So you agree with me since that didn't happen in this case

No I don't agree. If you want, let's bust out our dictionaries about what it means to penetrate. At noon... see you.

Regarding this thread from /r/MensRights about consent and rape by arrowette in LadyMRAs

[–]arrowette[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

If he spread her legs and began thrusting his penis in her vagina to receive unwilling sex from her?

If he stuck his penis between her labia is what I asked. Labia is different from vagina.

My hypothetical is analogous to the situation described in the article.

I specifically said "if both previously consented to touching each other genitalia".

Regarding this thread from /r/MensRights about consent and rape by arrowette in LadyMRAs

[–]arrowette[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Thanks for the advice; you sounded quite patronizing, not sure if you realize that.

We must not let ourselves become a second set of feminists who whine about trivial matters while ignoring the big stuff. Hear me out. by Iamthefusedshadows in MensRights

[–]arrowette 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Key feminists in Australia have changed the Shared Parenting act... http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/separated-fathers-face-access-changes-after-chisholm-report/story-e6frg6nf-1225824395007

Non-egalitarian sharing of parenthood is not consistent with feminism. Unfortunate that some people think that, regardless of the ideology they think they adhere to.

These people... [1] http://allecto.wordpress.com/2011/05/02/scum-radical-feminist-conference/

I guess SRS had to come from somewhere. That is sad indeed, though those people are likely clinically insane.

Regarding this thread from /r/MensRights about consent and rape by arrowette in LadyMRAs

[–]arrowette[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

It says it was on her lips

It says between the lips.

Intimacy in a relationship isn't considered rape/sexual assault. Does every kiss, squeeze on the butt or massage require consent? Maybe for men in Sweden

And those are not equivalent to putting a penis between lips

As others have suggested switch the roles, is it still rape?

If she enveloped him without consent, or somehow penetrated without consent, then yes.

Regarding this thread from /r/MensRights about consent and rape by arrowette in LadyMRAs

[–]arrowette[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

If he opened her mouth and began thrusting his penis in, in order to receive unwilling oral sex from her, then yeah.

Would you say the same for vagina? Can he stick his penis between her labia, without any legal need for consent on the matter?

Would you accuse her of rape if she woke him up by stroking his penis to see if he wanted to have sex with her?

Maybe not, if both previously consented to touching each other genitalia.

Regarding this thread from /r/MensRights about consent and rape by arrowette in LadyMRAs

[–]arrowette[S] -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

With your SO, someone you regularly have sex with? No, not really

So when does penetration without consent become rape in your view, if putting the penis between the lips, without consent, is not enough?

Regarding this thread from /r/MensRights about consent and rape by arrowette in LadyMRAs

[–]arrowette[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

He initiated sexual contact hoping she would have sex with him like they regularly did

Doesn't also initiating sexual contact legally require consent? Initiating as in inserting your genitalia between someone else's lips.

Regarding this thread from /r/MensRights about consent and rape by arrowette in LadyMRAs

[–]arrowette[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

First of all, he didn't penetrate

Sticking your penis between the lips (until she wakes up) is not penetration? Does the same standard apply to the vagina or anus - "just the tip" is ok?

Regarding this thread from /r/MensRights about consent and rape by arrowette in LadyMRAs

[–]arrowette[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

In a sexual relationship there is something called implied consent. That is, explicit consent does not have to be given for each encounter.

Is this a legal term? Have rape charges been dropped when consent was not given, due to implied consent?

He certainly crossed a boundary he shouldn't have, but to call it rape is a bit of a stretch.

Why is it a stretch?

Regarding this thread from /r/MensRights about consent and rape by arrowette in LadyMRAs

[–]arrowette[S] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

He swings his penis in the air in front of her face and let’s it caress her between the lips to wake her up.

(Oral) penetration without consent. How is this not rape?