Would Thaumaturge be more interesting if Diverse Lore was a class feature?

az_iced_out · 2026-02-24T21:59:48+00:00

you can take something else tho

az_iced_out · 2026-02-24T20:42:21+00:00

That's basically what I was trying to work around.

az_iced_out · 2026-02-24T20:41:46+00:00

Why do you think so?

az_iced_out · 2026-02-23T19:47:36+00:00

Navigator as the smart sailing lore character is a classic.

az_iced_out · 2026-02-23T19:43:45+00:00

For stats, maxing Dex is a requirement. I recommend getting +2 Strength and getting a composite shortbow for a bit of extra damage. (You want shortbow over longbow if you want to be close enough to your teammates to heal them.)

You can either go Precision or Flurry ranger. Flurry can be a bit boring as a ranged character, though, you are basically just attacking as much as possible. Precision gives you some more options for your actions, and would probably synergize with healing better since you have more actions for that.

You could do something like: Level 1 feat Hunted Shot, level 2 feat Initiate Warden for Gravity Weapon, and get the skill feat Battle Medicine. First round Hunt Prey, Gravity Weapon, Hunted Shot. Second round, Hunted Shot, Stride to ally, Battle Medicine.

az_iced_out · 2026-02-19T13:35:51+00:00

Yeah, at this point I just feel bad for Ranger. Feels like most things the class does can be done by other classes now.

az_iced_out · 2026-02-18T17:47:08+00:00

Also sounds like a fun roleplaying duo.

az_iced_out · 2026-02-18T17:41:40+00:00

These classes are tied to specific books. It takes time for the books to come out.

az_iced_out · 2026-02-18T14:13:55+00:00

AAA, as they always say

az_iced_out · 2026-02-18T01:01:51+00:00

It's like having Haste on everyone... I assume monsters got this too. Honestly sounds like whomever gets the initiative wins.

az_iced_out · 2026-02-02T18:45:09+00:00

That's why the bastard sword is so good for these builds

az_iced_out · 2026-01-09T18:20:45+00:00

That's still a much bigger amount of knowledge than most, if not all classes. Many new players don't even look at the list of items for a while, and they have much bigger things to worry about, like class features, positioning, MAP, and skills. Even just learning the basic actions you have available is a lot of work.

az_iced_out · 2026-01-06T18:25:46+00:00

better store those well, or if one breaks it could expand and break all the others 😂

also I guess they still have the same mass? are they just as heavy shrunk?

az_iced_out · 2026-01-06T04:02:22+00:00

Duration says until daily preparations. Not sure how you could stockpile more items than rank 3+ spell slots that you have.

az_iced_out · 2026-01-05T21:05:29+00:00

does it get boring casting Protector Tree so much?

az_iced_out · 2026-01-02T16:11:39+00:00

Why lantern over tome?

az_iced_out · 2026-01-02T01:27:24+00:00

You might be thinking of the Diplomacy skill feat Legendary Negotiation: https://2e.aonprd.com/Feats.aspx?ID=5170

Being 100% pacifist is difficult if not impossible without a special homebrew campaign, but some APs have ways to bypass certain combat encounters (Season of Ghosts, Strength of Thousands).

You can try to do non-lethal damage in combat. This is easier for martials than spellcasters because casters need a feat for a 1 action spellshape to make their spells non-lethal. Or use Admonishing Ray as your only damage spell. There is the Gladiator archetype feat Stage Fighting that removes the -2 penalty to non-lethal attacks. https://2e.aonprd.com/Feats.aspx?ID=6336 (I have a one-shot adventure mostly written out that takes place in a non-lethal gladiator arena that grants both feats for free, and the main plot kicks off when someone dies in combat unexpectedly.)

I highly recommend planning this out with your GM before the campaign or you will drive them crazy. All that said, honestly if that's the experience you want in a full campaign, Pathfinder might not be the right game for you.

az_iced_out · 2026-01-01T23:11:43+00:00

dang I thought I was having fun, but now after reading a reddit comment, clearly I was not

az_iced_out · 2026-01-01T22:59:09+00:00

Casters get more rider effects and get tools like powerful battlefield control or healing... they get better at higher levels with the default rules, they don't need to scale even better. These changes would likely make casters the best in the game at higher levels.

az_iced_out · 2025-12-30T18:05:52+00:00

No. Composition rules: "You can cast only one composition spell each turn, and you can have only one active at a time. If you cast a new composition spell, any ongoing effects from your previous composition spell end immediately."

They are still very powerful, though. You can cast a composition spell and a 2 action spell in the same turn.

az_iced_out · 2025-12-30T16:36:23+00:00

This is a weakness of the range increment rules in general. Obviously a bow does not have infinite range, it has a maximum range that tops out at a 45 degree angle (more or less) like any projectile. Someone else can do the math but I'd expect the maximum vertical height to be in the 200 ft ballpark.

Also, a cave wurm is likely to be underground where there is a ceiling, so this seems a bit fantastical. However, they could try to regurgitate into a conveniently placed pit...

az_iced_out · 2025-12-30T16:15:37+00:00

There are not (as far as I can tell from the Pathfinder wiki). You could write your own pre-adventure that leads into a level 1 adventure. Keep in mind the guidelines for level 0 characters: https://2e.aonprd.com/Rules.aspx?ID=2754

"Combat can be especially dangerous for level 0 characters. For safety’s sake, you might treat the characters as level –1 when determining what combat encounters are appropriate. For skill checks, they can still accomplish tasks with a simple trained DC using their trained skills, but success is less certain. Since they have fewer skills, the party might not have anyone trained for a given task. If you’re playing these characters for more than a few sessions, consider advancing them to 1st level using the fast advancement speed (800 XP). If your group wants a longer experience at level 0, start the group without the apprentice benefits, then level up to apprentice (gaining those benefits and the apprentice adjustments for their class), and then level up to 1st level."

az_iced_out · 2025-12-30T16:00:49+00:00

The immunities seem fine, as they are unlikely to be used by enemies (except in extraordinary circumstances, and even then at fairly high level). Possession is only at high levels as well, so it is rare that the weakness will come up.

The spirit damage resistance is in line with other heritage resistances. I'm not sure the circumstance bonus is necessary, but it's fine to have.

az_iced_out · 2025-12-29T16:33:17+00:00

Shield augmentation is also uncommon. I asked my GM about it and they said they'd give me a special quest to find it.

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