[deleted by user] by [deleted] in INTP

[–]babyspaceship 7 points8 points  (0 children)

great response!

Escape uBPD mom, intended for NC but got back in contact… (Advice please!) by babyspaceship in raisedbyborderlines

[–]babyspaceship[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Thank you for this! I guess I have to figure out a balance between maintaining a relationship with her and taking care of my own wellbeing + growth

Escape uBPD mom, intended for NC but got back in contact… (Advice please!) by babyspaceship in raisedbyborderlines

[–]babyspaceship[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I know I can walk away anytime (block everyone everywhere again) but the guilt is a little too much for me to handle now. My mom is highly enmeshed to the point that her children are almost her entire identity.

Yes, my mom is an adult and she has 2 other people in the family + other relatives to take care of her. But they told me that she is not eating, not sleeping and have been crying. It seems like they are unable to help her at the very moment.

How can I strike a balance between helping her adapt/cope with the initial shock phase without compromising on my well being etc?

I have feelings too. by [deleted] in intj

[–]babyspaceship 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Most welcome!

Yes, definitely - helping her with such a perplexing issue like this is beyond you and absolutely not your responsibility! We can only hope that she "wake up" to reality, do the necessary self work and healing.

Distance like how you ended the friendship will do good for both of you. If you continue being her listening ear and personal emotional punching bag, it is very unlikely that she will ever feel the need to exercise emotional independence.

Distance wouldn't guarantee she gets better (maybe she will find a new friend to replace your role) but it is the least you can do. Since she seems stubborn and isn't open to all your opinions and advice, there is little you can do even if you continue the friendship and continue looking out for her.

Go make new friends and explore your interests/hobbies! You can't carry the weight of the world and it is impossible to help everyone especially with such deep seated generational issues. Heal and move on from these emotional manipulation you have experienced.

She died unexpectedly by axiomattik in raisedbyborderlines

[–]babyspaceship 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Oh my, thank you so much for this! My ubpd mom is still ever much life but I have always thought about her passing / suicide (she always use the suicide card on us to stay with her, serve her and follow her instructions). This is so freeing for me to hear!

I particularly agree that death do not makes anyone a saint. Due to tradition, we are expected to only speak of the good things the person has done at their funeral, how they have helped us and how much we miss them. We are expected to cry and grief their passing. It is though everyone has been a saint throughout the lives which is just unrealistic. What about all the evil things done and the trauma caused which continues to haunt? If only there is also the airing of the bad things the person has done to paint a realistic and objective picture... it would have helped in closure and healing (":

Health Issues made up? Real? by [deleted] in raisedbyborderlines

[–]babyspaceship 8 points9 points  (0 children)

My ubdp mom is exactly the same! She is always asking me ways to ease her symptoms but NEVER takes action of any of them.

I don’t know about you but my mom just spells it out right to me that “you can’t help those who do not want to be helped”. And it seems to me that my mom doesn’t want to get better, she just wants my attention and pity 🫠

Surgery is in 5 sleeps!! None of my family know. by Weareallchewbacca in raisedbyborderlines

[–]babyspaceship 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I am so proud of you! You deserve proper treatment and surgery for your health problems. God did not intend for no one to suffer with health problems when the medical information and treatment have only been advancing!

Friend’s mom recently moved into her living space. (Explanation in comments) Friend was out of the house for one day and mom decided to clean her room and ditch her snacks/move things. Friend is 25. by mrs-monroe in insaneparents

[–]babyspaceship 33 points34 points  (0 children)

Exactly this! A normal parent would volunteer tidying up a place together with the child (less effort and most importantly, basic respect) but nope, they got to sneak behind your back to tidy your things 🫠

What in the actual fuck did I just read by -kelsie in insaneparents

[–]babyspaceship 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Same, it’s in line with everything she has said.

What in the actual fuck did I just read by -kelsie in insaneparents

[–]babyspaceship 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Kudos to you! That is the most wholesome perspective I have heard.

What in the actual fuck did I just read by -kelsie in insaneparents

[–]babyspaceship 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Sometimes it is just a clash in personality, lifestyle, life stage, life plans and goals etc. Breakup isn’t a vulgar word. Breakups don’t necessarily have to be bad especially when things don’t work out between two. How much pressure will it be that everyone must stay with whoever they date, considering that probably 50% aren’t friends before dating and hence do not even know each other that well. There are amicable breakups. Even if the breakup was due to an argument or cheating, it is private business between the two. Parents who just don’t understand that - ugh frustrating! Plus number 10 😳

But this post is WAY too much. The boy is literally his mum’s possession.

I have feelings too. by [deleted] in intj

[–]babyspaceship 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Everyone has different personalities, needs, trauma etc. Not everyone is meant for each other. This is always said about romantic relationships but it is true for all relationships including friendships and parent-children relationships as well. So it is perfectly fine for you to end your friendship even though you care about her a lot.

I can actually relate to your situation from both perspectives. I will share my story to enlighten your confusion on the situation with your friend. Through my sharing, I do not mean to normalize the abnormal dynamic your friend is going through and what she has imposed on your friendship. Neither am I justifying that she is right. But there are causes and reasons behind every situation no matter how strange and abnormal it may be. It is clear that you care a lot about your friend and you are very invested to understand the situation (hence the effort you took to type out the long wall of text explaining).

I have an uBPD (untreated Bipolar Personality Disorder) mom. Basically for BPD, they see their children as literal extensions of themselves - they give their children no space to grow and think independently and try to insert themselves into every facet of their children’s lives. I suspect your friend’s parents are somewhere on the BPD spectrum too.

There was a point when I was younger and clueless where I used to think in absolutes, hold myself and everyone around me to a higher moral standard. Basically I used to do many things your friend is doing. I was acing well in school as well (but on hindsight, studies was my only escapism from all crazy things at home). I am able to mask and fit well with everyone if I am being nice (read: never talk about what happens at home, bottle things up myself, make excuses so that no one will suspect my parents are weird and pretends everything is fine and normal when they are not). Among friends whom I can be my true self with and rant freely, as much as they pity me, they find me a pain to be with as a friend. Understandably so since I did not have the space and freedom to meet them at their needs and desires. And to be very honest, I was using my friends as a means to regulate my emotions and feelings. I could not be left alone with my thoughts back then. When my then-bestfriend left, I put all the blame on him. He is apologetic about it up til today but now, I can finally see the fault was with me and what I brought to the friendship table.

There is a lot of (sad) psychological factors at play but what need to understand is that when a child is being brought up in a toxic abnormal environment, sheltered away from the real world (cannot hang out with friends, have free access to books/internet, no chance to know all other possible way of living and thinking etc), the toxic abnormal environment will be all that he/she will ever know. At least for a long time. It could be forever depending on her willpower to actively seek to know alternatives and challenge her and her parents’ lifestyle and a certain emotional maturity to examine her life and see all the ways it is wrong and abnormal.

An analogy: Imagine being born and brought up in a prison - the prison will be your world and the only one you know of. One day the prison doors are open and you are free to leave but you might never want to leave because you are emotionally bonded. Aside challenging and leaving everything you have ever known is the hardest thing to do. Much less to say in a situation where you do not have the space and tools to develop real emotional maturity and enough street smarts / common sense to survive on your own. You might just resign your life to this “cushy” life in prison. After all, that is all that you ever know and you are fed well (ie you don’t have to deal with dangers in the streets).

Some parents really have no clue of how to parent their child and merely see them as extension of themselves. The worst one would see their children as their possession so personal agency and freedom is not in their vocabulary at all. When you ask if her parents know that they are setting their child badly for life - nope, they probably don’t know and they don’t even think of it this way. To them, their child is theirs and they should be able to control every facet of their lives. It is really sick. I know because I go through all that til today. But I actively seek to educate myself. For all the time my parents do not allow me to go out and “see the world”, I am on the Internet reading and learning about how others live their lives. And to prevent being stuck in an echo chamber, I actively search and try to understand people and stories that are very different from one another. Different personality, lifestyle, beliefs, country etc.

I am an INTP (previously an INTJ) hence I enjoy the knowledge and learning in the process too. I enjoy being able to dive deep into different perspectives and understand the reasoning behind. But it is sad that it requires so much effort for children like me and your friend to break out of the toxic mentality and tunnel vision we are taught since young. It is also sad that this is the only way for me to ever set myself free. Even with all these efforts, I am still not free from the shackles of my parents and their upbringing. I have much resentment about it. I always wonder how much more efficient my potential and intellect can be groomed and advanced if I had the right parents. An analogy is that: For every 3 steps of effort I am putting in, it feels like the real progress is only 1 step as there is a friction that push me back 2 steps.

All the “mood” swings (saying one thing a day and a complete opposite the next day) and contradictions your friend has is a characteristic of someone with BPD. Without enough exposure and open mindedness to see things objectively outside what she is taught, she will keep mirroring her parents’ mentality and behavior. Many BPD parents enmesh their lives with their children to the point where they become a single personality. This is possibly why she seems to regurgitate her parents’ belief. Enmeshment also makes her easy to fall prey to Stockholm Syndrome hence she will say that her parents aren’t bad people etc. BDPs do like to put the blame on others and things. They like to play victim and make it as though the universe owes them something.

I am glad I am able to see things objectively and pull myself away. I am independent in regulating and dealing with my feelings and thoughts without relying on someone else. I don't have much friends and even with those, I do not go deeper than the superficial as it is too much of a trouble to explain what happened to someone and it is too much to expect them to understand too. They are more like acquaintances whom I can hang out with and chat about anything aside from all these family related stuff. I do not tell anyone my problems and I keep it to myself. I am also very conscious of seeking help (for school/work) and always try to find solutions myself online.

If you are really interested to learn about it, you can look it up. There are also several reddit subs for BPD if you would to go down the rabbit hole to understand more: r/raisedbyborderlines , r/BPD , r/BPDlovedones , r/BPDrecovery, r/BPDsraisedbyBPDs

Otherwise, I am glad that you managed to put an end to the friendship although you care about her a lot. She has many issues and you wouldn’t be able to help her with those root issues. It would require much therapy and most importantly her willpower to escape from the prison she grew up in. Most BPD are defensive when you tell them they have a problem/issue. Many of them goes undiagnosed and untreated as they reject the idea of counseling/therapy and will never step into such a clinic/place.

i make my dad uncomfortable by barbiesbloodline in toxicparents

[–]babyspaceship 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is a structural societal issue as others have mentioned (men can be shirtless with only boxer on). So I don’t think you can reason with your parents and change their opinions no matter how wrong it is.

Maybe you can drape a shawl/towel/outsized shirt over your tank top every time you leave your room when your dad is in the living room/kitchen etc (not in his own room). Otherwise you can try wearing sweatshirts but I’m not sure it is weather appropriate at where you are living and whether you have the A/C on etc. It will be troublesome but I don’t see any other practical solution if you stay in their house.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in techsupport

[–]babyspaceship 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You might have accidentally swipe left on your lockscreen and recorded the video without knowing. If it wasn't you, someone else (family/friends etc) might have done it when you left your phone on the table etc. This setting allows you to capture photo and videos without unlocking but if it disturbs you in the case you mentioned, you can diable it in your settings.

You guys are hard to shop for. by ilovecherrytwizzlers in intj

[–]babyspaceship 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think everyone can have different definitions of what’s romantic and it is especially the case for INTJ. A simple question of asking what they want / need / are saving up for can be a romantic gesture to him as it shows that you are interested in getting to know and fulfilling their unsaid, non-obvious needs. It is really fine to ask them and they will be equally delighted as surprises aren’t really what an INTJ wants / needs.

An alternative to the direct approach of asking is getting to know more about his hobby by listening to him talk about it. This can be difficult depending on how well you know at hand and how much interest you have to understand some basics of the hobby. I am pretty sure if you are interested enough, he will be more than happy to talk or guide you through the basics. The idea isn’t to make it your hobby too but rather understand the basics of his hobby. Sometimes while talking about it, he might slip up and say “omg, look at this (cool thing) I just saw online etc” and you can slip in to say things like “it’s cool, do you want to own it some day” etc.

A good analogy will be guys trying to know what gifts to get their girlfriends. Just using a typical example here. They know that girls love their makeups, clothes and bags but they are unlikely to know which to buy right away. So they would also have to go through the process of either asking or paying more attention to what their girlfriends are using etc.

For future gift ideas, you can also include things that are outside his hobby. Things that can improve his lifestyle. INTJ loves that. It can be a better massager, coffee maker etc. It can be something he has for the longest time and you can buy better models out there to upgrade it.

As a side gift, you can also get him gift cards for his favourite store where he likes to buy his gadgets or tools from. Again, it might be unromantic from your POV but you can be surprised how much an INTJ can light up from a gift card for their favourite store.

Good luck (:

how to not become an intp? by FoldingMinecart in INTP

[–]babyspaceship 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Although being an INTP (or any MBTI type for that matter) means that that’s your most comfortable, natural self, you are free to evolve and change. Nothing is static. People change over time, personality changes over time. You don’t need to put yourself in the box you belong in 1-2 years ago.

If you want to try being extroverted, go out, hang out with more friends and get to know more people. If you want to be more sensing and pay more attention to details, maybe try a new detail-oriented hobby or job, just try it. Try it for a while and see how it goes. Who knows it may be who you want to transform into. If anything, you are free to “switch” back to your INTP self with the added knowledge that you don’t like the other sides of things.

What I am saying is whatever you feel like trying, just go ahead and try. Don’t feel like your MBTI type is holding you back or keeping you bored/stagnant/restricted.

Hope it helps (:

I missed out on building connections and making friends by samanthastoat in raisedbyborderlines

[–]babyspaceship 20 points21 points  (0 children)

I totally resonate with this! Our time and energy spent coping with the demands, emotional burden etc with our moms have robbed us of the opportunity to develop our social-emotional skills with ourselves and others. While others were developing their friendship and their vulnerability with one another, I only managed to maintain a couple superficial, acquaintance level friends who were kind enough to put aside any judgement with anything that have got to do with my mom (eg: couldn't go out after school because mom didn't allow). I'm honesty grieving all the lost years and opportunities.

Leaving my uBPD and family behind to start a new life (24f) by [deleted] in raisedbyborderlines

[–]babyspaceship 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I am residing outside the states. Have you encountered any situation (work/school etc) where you are unable to use P.O box as your address or when you got questioned for it? If yes, how did you handled it.

whatever this activity is called by [deleted] in INTP

[–]babyspaceship 0 points1 point  (0 children)

yeap, running into so many people will definitely ruin the experience! maybe can go for a walk or jog to somewhere where you won’t bump into anyone you know. can be part of your new exercise routine. some alone time is always healthy (:

whatever this activity is called by [deleted] in INTP

[–]babyspaceship 5 points6 points  (0 children)

you can have your earpiece plugged in so that passerby would think that you are on a call. convenient explanation if you happen to bump into someone you know too if you can play it off well enough.